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Thank you Humphrey!!

Speaking of the Russians, this is not new (it’s from Nov. 2nd) but I found it well laid out and informative. Plus the writer, James Bamford, seems to know what he’s talking about.

Commentary: Don’t be so sure Russia hacked the Clinton emails

The problem with attempting to draw a straight line from the Kremlin to the Clinton campaign is the number of variables that get in the way. For one, there is little doubt about Russian cyber fingerprints in various U.S. campaign activities. Moscow, like Washington, has long spied on such matters. The United States, for example, inserted malware in the recent Mexican election campaign. The question isn’t whether Russia spied on the U.S. presidential election, it’s whether it released the election emails.

Then there’s the role of Guccifer 2.0, the person or persons supplying WikiLeaks and other organizations with many of the pilfered emails. Is this a Russian agent? A free agent? A cybercriminal? A combination, or some other entity? No one knows.

There is also the problem of groupthink that led to the war in Iraq. For example, just as the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the rest of the intelligence establishment are convinced Putin is behind the attacks, they also believed it was a slam-dunk that Saddam Hussein had a trove of weapons of mass destruction.

Consider as well the speed of the political-hacking investigation, followed by a lack of skepticism, culminating in a rush to judgment.

This was something that had not occurred to me:

Despite the rushed, incomplete investigation and unanswered questions, the Obama administration has announced its decision to retaliate against Russia. But a public warning about a secret attack makes little sense. If a major cyber crisis happens in Russia sometime in the future, such as a deadly power outage in frigid winter, the United States could be blamed even if it had nothing to do with it.

That could then trigger a major retaliatory cyberattack against the U.S. cyber infrastructure, which would call for another reprisal attack ― potentially leading to Clarke’s fear of a cyberwar triggering a conventional war. President Barack Obama has also not taken a nuclear strike off the table as an appropriate response to a devastating cyberattack.


Crazy times!


James Bamford writes a great deal on the NSA, and wrote one of the first major works about the NSA titled, The Puzzle Palace. He has been at this a long time, so he is indeed a respected and credible source.



This site has changed so much since I was last here, I barely know how to post anymore. There used to be a toolbar where I could do things (like embed a video or hyperlink to an article) but I don’t see it anymore.
Here’s a good video, though, from the CBS affiliate in Atlanta.

Reality Check: 5 Problems with CIA Claim That Russia Hacked DNC/Podesta emails


I liked the very last part of his report.

So what you need to know is that on top of all these questions is one fundamental issue that everyone is missing. The claim is that Russia decided to hack the election not by altering voting results, but by making public actual emails from the Clinton campaign and the DNC.

“Look – I’ve said this before and I will say it again. How bizarre is it that the argument is not that the Russians were tryng to influence the election through lies or electronic voting, but rather the claim – if you really boil it down – is that the Russians swayed the election for Donald Trump by revealing the truth about the Clinton campaign and the truth about the DNC.”

In other words . . .

Russia is trying to rig our election . . . by exposing how the Democrats rigged the primaries.

Graphic HRC Russia

In order to sway the election the “Russians” needed a weapon. The emails were the weapon. But everyone knows that a weapon is ineffective without ammunition.

If emails were the weapons used to kill Hillary’s campaign . . . Who manufactured the bullets?

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LD is working on it LSM! A few things ‘broke’ and at one point it even went down. But LD got it back and is getting the features back too.

Great to see you! And great to see everyone else on what is most likely a very busy weekend for all!!


The US has been at cyber war for at least the last 25-30 years. The Russians, Iranians, North Korea, China and even some of our allies have hacked their way into the US Govt. computers at times. Not to mention industrial cyber hacking against various corporations by the above mentioned. Even LD has had problems with this for this site. Our weapons of mass deception news is now putting this in the forefront of the news WHY? Of Trump$ 14 billion dollar cabinet I wonder how many of them are either heavily invested or own the 6 major news networks. As I posted the other day “wag the dog” to distract from the real problems we have. Hey @Humphrey Thx for getting the OT going this am


Did you see Bernie’s tweet about Trump’s cabinet?

Bernie Sanders ‏@SenSanders Dec 16
Incredibly, Trump’s 17 cabinet-level picks have more wealth than one-third of U.S. households combined – 43 million households!


yes I did anyone wanna guess who’s gonna prosper from it?


A bad story about state party politics, followed by a good(ish) one.

First, the bad one:

Findings by Florida Democrats Support Election of Millionaire Donor Bittel to Chair

-After a Humiliating National Defeat, Florida Democrats Are Still Playing Dirty-

In an effort to stop corruption and repair the party’s reputation in the wake of revelations leading to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s resignation as DNC Chair, an active circle of Miami-Dade’s progressive reformers is waging a desperate battle against established Florida Democratic Party insiders.  At last week’s Miami-Dade DEC reorganizational meeting it was painfully obvious that the reformers’ agenda is at odds with established FDP members even after their stunning November 7th defeat.

A convoluted plan to overthrow Sen. Dwight Bullard as the progressive choice for Miami-Dade DEC Chair indicates long-time FDP members are still hooked on pay-to-play at the county and state levels. That their coup could succeed makes clear the party’s “future” is firmly in their big monied grasp.


Now the encouraging one:

Meet Joanne Fleming, Newly Elected Washington State Committeewoman

-Our Series on Progressives at the Local Level-

Across the country, reorganizational meetings at every level of the Democratic Party have been taking place with the national meeting scheduled for the end of February in Atlanta. At the same time, we have a lot of work ahead of us to combat President-Elect Donald Trump and his administration. Bernie Sanders, having activated and energized a large block of voters, may still be remembered as the match that lit the fuse within the party. In the next few weeks, we will highlight those on the ground getting the work done advocating for progressive ideals in the political arena.

The Progressive Army recently spoke to Joanne Fleming, newly elected State Committeewoman from the 3rd Legislative District in Washington State (Spokane area), to discuss her political journey.

Following the DNC convention, Fleming chose to run for State Committeewoman of the 3rd Legislative District of Washington State. Even with this being her first ever run at any political position she was able to hold off two other candidates and secure the position at the December 6th reorganizational meeting. All officer positions were filled by Bernie Sanders supporters who, except for the chair, have also never run for a political position.


Ooops, link for the encouraging story here:

Meet Joanne Fleming, Newly Elected Washington State Committeewoman

From the first chance meeting with Stacy Cossey, a WAmed Initiative representative, at the Trader Joe’s parking lot to being elected Washington State Committeewoman of the 3rd LD Joanne Fleming has come a long way in a very short period of time. She is a great example of the kind of person Bernie Sanders had in mind when he encouraged his supporters to run for office and get involved.


I do not get Ellison supporting Bittel. Some trade for the DNC chair? Whatever it is, it makes me feel betrayed, again. Thought Ellison was a progressive. Guess not.


I was very depressed on Friday night when I heard that. Was ready to throw in the towel for good. But by Saturday morning my batteries were a bit more charged up and I’m not giving up yet.

Keith Ellison Couldn’t Have Been More Played If He Had Mattel Written Across His Forehead

Let’s face it. There is a certain faction of the Jewish community that will never, ever, ever, ever, ever accept Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison as Democratic National Committee Chair, no matter what he does, or how he does it.

So I get why he accepted an opportunity presented to him by Stephen Bittel, who was feeling the Bern so much so by Our Revolution backing Dwight Bullard in word AND deed, that he decided to play a desperate Keith Ellison like a Stradivarius.

Think about it.

Keith Ellison endorses Bittel, allegedly, seeing as how we have only Bittel’s word to go on, and Bittel runs around like the town crier spouting off about his new-found progressive street cred. (We aren’t buying that, by the way).

Keith Ellison draws the ire and hate of true progressives, which he has, because we know Stephen Bittel “ain’t worth the salt in food” when it comes to being progressive.

Keith, Keith, Keith.


If you are willing to sell out prior to getting the DNC post, what won’t you do once you get it?

I thought you were a stand-up kind of guy. Your back is bent, and right now, Stephen Bittel is riding it.

You aren’t looking like a stallion, my brother. You are looking like a donkey.

Stephen Bittel is trying to kill two birds with one stone. YOU AND Dwight Bullard.



The corruption infesting Florida is in all levels of government: local, county and state. This level of corruption does not happen overnight. It takes decades to infest and infect the body politic. I’ll be dead before it’s totally eradicated. GREAT news out of WA state! There is definitely something rippling in a positive, progressive way at the local levels now. I even witnessed here in FL.


You’re right of course, orlbucfan. Change doesn’t always happen overnight. I need to gird myself with a thick shield ringed with patience.


While I’d like to have a private conversation with Mr. Ellison about Florida, it’s great to see bits like this:

Our Revolution
Crowd cheers after Ellison’s speech at Texas Dem. Exec. Committee (SDEC). One organizer there: “SDEC meetings never get like this.” Energy!

I just love this comment under the video (link below):

notice the befuddled looks on some of the people up front when confronted with the existence of enthusiasm within their party</blockquote

It's the people in the back half of the room who are cheering and you do see at least a couple of people in the front turn around to see who's making all the ruckus, lol.


Free Cash in Finland. Must Be Jobless.

Finland will soon hand out cash to 2,000 jobless people, free of bureaucracy or limits
on side earnings. The idea, universal basic income, is gaining traction worldwide.

Early next year, the (Finnish) government plans to randomly select roughly 2,000 unemployed people — from white-collar coders to blue-collar construction workers. It will give them benefits automatically, absent bureaucratic hassle and minus penalties for amassing extra income.

The government is eager to see what happens next. Will more people pursue jobs or start businesses? How many will stop working and squander their money on vodka? Will those liberated from the time-sucking entanglements of the unemployment system use their freedom to gain education, setting themselves up for promising new careers? These areas of inquiry extend beyond economic policy, into the realm of human nature.

The answers — to be determined over a two-year trial — could shape social welfare policy far beyond Nordic terrain.

If I got one of those 2,000 notices, I’d feel like the kid in Willy Wonka, Charlie, who found the last golden ticket.

A Silicon Valley start-up incubator, Y Combinator, is preparing a pilot project in Oakland, Calif., in which 100 families will receive unconditional cash grants ranging from $1,000 to $2,000 a month. Voters in Switzerland recently rejected a basic-income scheme, but the French Senate approved a trial. Experiments are being readied in Canada and the Netherlands. The Indian government has been studying basic income as a means of alleviating poverty.

“The last two years, there’s been an explosion of interest in basic income,” says Guy Standing, a research associate with the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London, and a co-founder of the Basic Income Earth Network, an institution created to promote the idea. “The elites realize that the inequalities are becoming politically dangerous.

Ok, this part was almost humorous, “labor flexibility”, another word for firing at will:

With basic income in place, companies might be more inclined to take a risk on hiring more aggressively — adding vigor to the local economy — knowing they have the freedom to be ruthless in cutting loose those workers who prove disappointing.

“It does make it easier to have labor flexibility,” says Karl Widerquist, a philosopher at Georgetown University in Qatar, and a leading advocate for basic income. “I know that if I have to close down this operation, everyone is going to be O.K.”


While preparing my last comment, I couldn’t help noticing that apparently Georgetown U. hires philosophers at their campus in Qatar. 🙄

I admit that I did not know that Georgetown U. even had a campus in Qatar so did some digging as that raised a flag for me.

I found another NYT piece that I found interesting, written by a girl who claims to be doing work on migrant labor conditions in the M.E. and who complains mightily about being both hacked (with her own culpability) and tracked by M.E. govts while doing work attending G.U. in Qatar and also while at NYU’s campus in U.A.E.

American Universities in a Gulf of Hypocrisy

This was the most interesting part, imo:

According to reports, a Maryland-based company called CyberPoint International began providing advice on cybersecurity to the United Arab Emirates government in 2012. CyberPoint’s contract reportedly ended last year, but the company’s former chief strategy officer, Paul Kurtz, who worked in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, is still chairman of the advisory board of N.Y.U. Abu Dhabi’s cybersecurity center. The center also partners with “government agencies” in an effort to “improve cybersecurity in the U.A.E.” and “more generally in the G.C.C. region.”

There is no evidence that CyberPoint was involved in spying, but it is worrying that N.Y.U. is involved in this field with the Emirates, since the government has used its cyber capabilities against its own citizens, and possibly foreign researchers, too.
The gulf states are big investors. Announcing the creation of N.Y.U. Abu Dhabi in 2007, the university’s former president, John Sexton, explained, “The costs of planning, designing and building the campus and all expenses related to the operation of N.Y.U. Abu Dhabi will be assumed by the government of Abu Dhabi.”



im posting with my phone at the moment because time warner (now called Spectrum) has been down since sat a.m. so havent been able to do much of anything. bah!

just to share some news if you do a search for Sanders on google two newer articles coincidently released at the same time scream that Sanders would have lost to Trump because hes too liberal. one was by Drum at motherjones andnthe other is at huff post. both are full of shit but its important to be aware of the narrative they are trying to shape.


LD: the vaste majority of people who voted, worked on, campaigned for and with the Bernster look at that for what it is: lies and BS. Heck, $hrill is still pushing the Russkies-helped-tRump-beat-me meme. Her stupidity and lousy campaigning is what cost her the election. Plenty of us know it, too.Hope you and JLD are well. 🙂

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