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Ryan’s Presidential prospects aren’t looking so hot right now

Initially denied until the Post told them they had the tape


A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016 exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the U.S. Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.

News had just broken the day before in The Washington Post that Russian government hackers had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee, prompting McCarthy to shift the conversation from Russian meddling in Europe to events closer to home.

Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks…This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.


I’m split on this one. Pence solidified the base for Trump. Trumpsters are still in the river of Egypt, thinking he was the Tea Party delight. It will be a hard thing for them to fathom that their brand name resident of 1600 Pennsylvania cannot run the Executive Branch.

From Establishment Media (HuffPo and MSNBClinton contributor) Howard Fineman:

#Comey & #Mueller were allies against Bush wiretapping. This for now will slow, bury Russia probe, but will make it more potent in long run

Pence is the conservative Dreamboat. But he would be seen as a steady hand to Wall Street, which has lost its confidence in Drumpf. Firefighters and teachers have pensions, after all.


But then there is this aspect cocerning Pence being on the transition team. And where does leave Giuliani?


Here’s another article from the Observer, 2 excepts that make good points:

No. Keep him in office. Politically, Trump is the goose that’s laying a treasure trove of golden eggs. Let him spend four years making such a toxic wreck of the Republican Party that disgusted voters won’t want to get anywhere near the GOP for a decade. Let him finish the job that George W. Bush started and turn the party into a smoldering ruin at last.


Four years of Donald Trump could end with Democrats in control of the White House, both chambers of Congress, a majority of governorships, and a number of key state legislatures that we could not dream of winning back through our own efforts. And the timing is perfect. The 2018 and 2020 elections are the ones that will determine who draws the new Congressional and legislative maps in 2021. The Trump Trainwreck presidency could put Democrats in a position to control the country for a decade. By then, the nation’s changing demographics might finally put Team Blue in a position to have something resembling a sustainable majority. And perhaps the party by then will have better, smarter, 21st century leadership that will actually know how to reach the modern electorate.

Don’t Impeach: The Liberal Case for Not Removing Trump


Is this also an open thread? The other OT is getting kind of long…


Be careful what you wish for. The Hilbots pushing for Trumps demise could cause the Democrats to remain a minority with Pence in charge. He is far more conservative ideology wise than Trump and does not have the obvious baggage.


Pence, unlike Trump, has years of experience on how to work (game) the system…he’ll be able to shove a lot more extreme right-wing agenda through Congress than Trump. We could end up with a theocracy and gwd help the women of this country if he were too become President. He’s definitely the worse of two evils.


I have no idea where this will lead.


The Justice Department on Wednesday evening announced the appointment of former FBI Director Robert Mueller to serve as the special counsel overseeing the bureau’s investigation into Russian election interference.

The move came amid intense pressure from Democrats and a few Republicans for a special prosecutor or independent commission, in the wake of President Trump’s decision last week to abruptly fire FBI Director James Comey.

The bureau’s investigation includes exploring any links or coordination between associates of Trump’s presidential campaign and Moscow.
Here are five things to know about Mueller, who has been appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to oversee the Russia probe.


I guess I should include the 5 things, LOL

Mueller took the helm of the FBI one week before 9/11

He was appointed by Bush, kept on by Obama

He has decades of public service

He has broad support

He has a history with Comey


The corp media is reporting that Trump was “blindsided” by the appointment of Mueller.

Amy Klobuchar seems to be impressed with the appointment. She has worked with Mueller when she was a prosecutor in MN.


About that CAP conference yesterday, that invited some progressives but not Bernie. The Nation tried to be polite when saying that the Democratic Party had trouble building coalitions (which is opposite of the GOS’s opinion that Bernie could not build them at all).

From the Nation, posted this afternoon, “ Why Bernie Sanders Wasn’t Invited to CAP’s Ideas Conference“:

 And that’s the real split in the party right now: between the grassroots and the establishment represented at the Four Seasons on Tuesday. It’s less about Bernie versus the Clintonistas, but rather that the wide array of socialist activists, community organizers and radical labor groups that existed for quite a while in Democratic Party politics and lined up behind Sanders when he ran for president are now feeling energized and emboldened.

That movement exists on an entirely parallel track to the professional left in DC. A lot of those groups will be meeting in Chicago in early June for their own version of an ideas conference. Sanders will address “The People’s Summit,” which is being held by the National Nurses United, Progressive Democrats of America, Democratic Socialists of America, the Food & Water Action Fund, Our Revolution, and others.

“CAP couldn’t have made [the Ideas Conference] feel any less like that if they tried,” joked one progressive activist who attended Tuesday but wished to remain anonymous for professional reasons.

It’s hard to envision a functional political party where there’s such a fissure between the elites and the grassroots. It has already caused the Democrats no shortage of pain, even in the Trump era: The race for DNC chair was also much less about ideology and more about who would get control of the party mechanics—the established hands or the newcomers.

Elbowing Sanders out of the party isn’t going to solve this problem, though many Democrats seem intent on doing it. Politico ran a story on the same day as the Ideas Conference quoting several top Democrats who clearly want Sanders to go away, while blaming him for the party rifts. “He’s a constant reminder. He allows the healing that needs to take place to not take place,” one said.

Meanwhile, being shunned by party bosses is rocket fuel for the Sanders movement. “If you want to understand why establishment Democrats lose, look at CAP. They hold their…grassroots conference at the Four Seasons and don’t invite grassroots progressives,” one progressive strategist affiliated with Sanders but not authorized to speak for him told The Nation. “They charge $1,000 per ticket to attend their ‘Progressive Party’…and eat canapes while wondering why they are out of touch with the rest of the country.”

Rest is here.


Nedra Tanden runs CAP. Nuff said!


Yes, the person who would have been in charge of the Obamacare website.

It will interesting to see if her star will be the same in 2021. If Trump and Pence are gone.


Other Trump news, the NYT is reporting that Michael Flynn was already under investigation before he was named as NSA director. He told the transition team it was because of his work as a paid lobbyist for Turkey. Makes me wonder about that meeting today.


I just checked Trump’s twitter account. It’s awfully quiet. LOL!


When Toobin and Dershowitz are yelling on CNN for Trump to lawyer up and stop talking, maybe he is pausing.


After his actions against Keith…… Dershowitz is no longer credible to me.


Oh his star fell some time ago when he supported Joe Lieberman.


Joe Lieberman Considered for FBI Director Post

Gag. Seems to me there are better candidates.


Perish the thought. It could be Trump’s idea of revenge.

Spring Texan

Oh my god, that is so disgusting.


A short video from Tim Black.

First time I tried to add sub titles. I hope it works.

I guess you just have to click on the option.


Back to the topic…


The only ones that don’t see this are the Democrats. Then again the Dems can’t see the forest because of the trees. Like medicare for all.


No surprise here folks.


Looks like a civil suit possibly to come.. Wondering if Democracy Now will cover this news tomorrow.



Pence would be worse, Ryan, terrible; but: I think if Trump has committed an impeachable offense, then he should be impeached. A patriot shouldn’t strategically decide, by inaction, to tolerate high crime. Founders thought impeachment would be common.


And it’s quite possible that if Trump committed impeachable offenses, so did Pence. After all they were both part of the same campaign team. And then there’s that tape with Ryan and Republican leadership discussing Russian payments to Trump and pledging to shut up about it. (It’s all a joke LOL). Additionally, the Republicans will not escape blowback from a Trump impeachment. They have been his enablers

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