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humphrey

Thanks for this post. I too welcome the discussion but my opinion of the election and its lead up to it is a tad bit different than yours. However this is a welcoming site and different points of view are more than welcome.

ps I am glad to see your contributions here but I must admit that I did sneak over to DK to see if you had been bojoed. LOL

humphrey

I fully concur with the last paragraph but I differ with much of your previous thoughts. From the start the “Ready for Hillary” meme pissed off many of us that were not there. The whole primary devolved into a grossly establishment influenced CORONATION. Hillary and her campaign screwed up big time by not articulating the reason for her candidacy other than she was not Trump and that in their estimation it was her turn. I could continue but I hope you get my point.

CaliforniaPat

Agree, the ‘her turn’ attitude was irritating to say the least. The Dem Convention fixed it for me and for the first time in my life of over 50 yrs of voting I did not vote for a Dem for president and I also re-enrolled and now I am an Independent.

orlbucfan

I look at Clinton and tRump as equal evils, or 2 sides of the same coin. Clinton’s stupidity as shown in 2008 and 2016 really upset me the most. Here’s a woman born into a comfortable middle class family in IL. She attends good public schools then college (did she do school loans?). She ends up getting a law degree from Harvard. She’s always been a RW sympathizer– a Goldwater Girl–for starters. She never gave up her Christian Fundie beliefs–very cozy with a slimy bunch known as The Family. She ends up down in AK hooking up with Slick Willie. Whoopie. He is still a fancy version of a redneck known as a Rhodes Scholar cracker. What’s the difference between these 2 and tRump? Very little. Note the cozy pictures of the Clintons attending tRump’s wedding to his trophy babe, Melania. The big losers were we the Americans who care about our country and never bought into the FRightwingnut take over of the media. We never bought into the organized religious scams–the demogogues who have always hid behind the flag and the cross!! I just got back from marching for Science. Why? How did it get the point that wanting to learn about life and thinking for yourself became such a vice and sin in this nation ?! Yeah, I’m talking the same country who plopped dudes on the moon in 1969. I hear the word ‘exceptionalism’ once more and I will commit mortal injury by hitting the speaker over the head with a baseball bat!! That’s how outraged I am, and I have plenty of company!!

orlbucfan

‘How did it get to the point…’ typo-alert. 🙂

OzoneTom

Also, AK is Alaska, AR is Arkansas 😉

humphrey

Also too

I Hope that you don’t consider me an ass for including this image from the primary but it reflects my sentiment then and today. I would be acting against my principles if I didn’t include it.

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wi59

@Humphrey how did you get the meme to post? I only knew using the icons that used to appear but LD was having trouble with those

LieparDestin

You can use a direct link or the <img src=url>code until I get the comments back working. Trying to do that now :).

CaliforniaPat

Love it and now let’s hope she agrees.

Benny

Geez, the real picture has a sweet looking, almost lap kitty. I don’t see the replacement being too comforted by Bernie.

SparkyGump

Hillary has been running for president since 1996 and the republicants had that much time to get ready for her. She doomed herself. Her secret six and seven figure paid speeches to Wall Street insiders made her appear to be an insider (who knew?!). Her pay for play behavior at the Clinton Foundation made her appear to be corrupt. Her Bernie Bro routine made her appear exclusive. In the end, no one liked her or trusted her and she lost. Let’s hope she stays away. We don’t want a queen, we need a statesman (or stateswoman).

wi59

I think Bernie’s popularity took Hillary and her staff completely off guard. Bernie came out of nowhere and forced Hillary to deal with Bernie instead of cruising to the coronation that she expected. The DNC convention was far from a coronation. The rigging of the super delegates and the wall street speeches turned off a lot of the Dem/indy electorate. If she offered Bernie the VP slot and adopted a lot of Bernie’s ideas to run on it and meant it it might have been enough for some voters to overlook all her baggage to carry WI and MI. Considering the margins she lost by in some of those states the Berniecrat vote may have made a difference. I would imagine that the Dem establishment like now still doesn’t like Bernie but may yet realize how bad they need him to become relevant again. But then again as long as the $$$ rolls in the neolibs are content and don’t care about winning elections. Until changes happen in the Dem party we are a one party system with Neocon and Neolib which isn’t much of a choice and the PTB and the MIC love it that way-divide and conquer .

OzoneTom

After being a voice in the wilderness for decades I feel that Sen. Sanders viewed last year’s election as the best chance to push-back against the Dems right-ward movement. But I’ll bet that he was a bit surprised when the same things he had been saying all of those years caught fire so massively.

And he is pushing more than the Dem party to the left, he’s shifting the whole country to where they really always wanted to be.

polarbear4

Yes, indeed! Let’s help him keep this fire burning until 2020 and hope that Tulsi or Nina (or even Warren if she runs with a progressive) steps up–or someone I haven’t thought of. Who’s a good male candidate? Hard to pick someone. I guess Keith, but he’s been sort of wishy washy since the election.

Benny

Just to be sure Clinton staffers get a little of fair shake (I’m discussing merits if any), here is an opposing view from one of the campaign staffers, Christina Reynolds, Deputy Communications director, that was published in Medium:

Yes, as the book notes, the campaign could feel like a slog. With every campaign, the pace and the volume of work seems to increase. As the frontrunner, the expectations were impossibly high much of the time. Fairly or not, the press was more negative than positive, which creates antsy volunteers and donors. There were Benghazi hearings and FBI investigations. Many people had left spouses and partners in other cities. Behind the scenes, we had at least two staffers fighting cancer during the campaign in my department alone, and more family tragedies than I’ve seen in one campaign. For the last several months, thanks to the Russians, we had our daily machinations and offhand private grousing aired publicly as tens of thousands of hacked emails were splashed all over the front page. But we stuck together. We didn’t waste time settling scores or fighting in the press. When we had bad nights, we tried to find a way forward, rather than publicly placing blame or stabbing each other in the back. And when we had good nights, we celebrated together, rather than worrying about who got the credit. Contrary to the “mercenary” description in the book, we knew that there was only one goal, and one night, that mattered.

View story at Medium.com

A reporter at the San Diego Tribune also tracked some tweets by campaign staffers, who denied how campaign on the inside was described. They posted happy pics of themselves to contrast what the book revealed.

The authors, Allen and Parnes, will be appearing at the National Press Club on May 18th, according to a press release from yesterday. It’s likely to get aired on C-SPAN.

My own gut reaction is that this tome was a snapshot, similar to Game Change by John Heilemann‎ and ‎Mark Halperin, except I think Game Change had a little more analysis in it and did some fact checking. This book from a first blush, based on the round-up, doesn’t appear to present much analysis. But maybe the authors’ interview at the Press Club will reveal more. I would imagine Vox will get its hands on this too. Hopefully Klein (who was a Clinton supporter all along) will be able to shed some other insights.

I believe I heard that Heilemann and Halperin were planning to also write a book about the 2016 election season. My hunch is that it will slant more towards Trump and how he broke through the “blue wall” in MI, PA, and WI.

Otherwise, I have a lot of thoughts about the primaries and GE campaign and the misery of it. And because of my strong feelings about it, I chose to be strategic in voting 3rd Party for Jill Stein. Not because I thought Stein was all that experienced (she’s not had a governmental leadership post outside of being a council woman in MA), but it was my big show of scorn (or bluntly, my FU) to the triad of narcissists in that abysmal election:

*The Dem Party for putting their thumb scales and breaking their own rules on to help secure the nomination of Clinton (as revealed through the leaks of the DNC about DWS and Donna Brazile) for a neo-liberal who believed too much in the MIC and who espoused way too much identity politics, ignoring economic conditions of voters in places who were decimated by NAFTA and other trade policies, and whose principles were, to put it mildly, inconsistent

*Trump, the worst candidate ever and proving now to show his gross incompetence, leaving decision making to Bannon, now Cohn, his son-in-law and daughter, and to the MIC because he had no experience in dealing with the MIC or with the plight of working people (Subir uses the term “fake populist” which is accurate), and does this gig to benefit his family’s financial interests

* The cable news networks/mainstream media who didn’t cover Bernie until he said he didn’t care about Clinton e-mail server issue (personally, I wish in some respects he had, but he was smart enough to let her twist on her own) and he had out-raised Clinton with small donations and also brought us Trump, premium ad free.

The winners of this election: Bernie Sanders, who is more popular now than Clinton will ever be and refused to be scripted by her campaign, and independent media , such as TYT network, Democracy Now, The Progressive Army, Tim Black, Jimmy Dore, THR (Secular Talk) and Free Speech TV in general.

Benny

Narcissist is probably a little strong, but it fits Trump. I would say arrogance is more befitting of the part of the DNC and Clinton, who is product of the DNC. Elitism and narcissism describe the media.

I hope Bernie can win some hearts and minds to help bring more progressive issues to the forefront.

CaliforniaPat

Note the insider blaming the damn Russians again! When they drop these excuses, and accept the blame of a mis-managed campaign and a flawed candidate, they will learn and help the Democratic party grow.

polarbear4

It may not be possible. Lots of Berniecrat bashing (and, to be fair, establishment Dem bashing) on the local party sites, even, and these are often people that know and like each other. If someone is fine with Hillary, you’re probably not going to change their mind. But they would love for you to donate and canvass for their candidates! LOL. As they say, nice people….

wi59

I don’t know about that as Walker in WI and Trump Inc. share a lot of the same traits. Not $$$$ of course but a lot of the traits of a Narcissist though. One other thing they both shared Walker was out of his league running for president and Trump Inc is out of his league as president

Benny

Meantime, Huma Abedin is helping the baroness throw a “thank you party” at some big Wall Street guy’s place in NY on April 27th.

One political insider mused, “This could be interpreted as the launch of a New York mayoral campaign (unlikely), a prospecting for 2020 party (please, no), a commiseration party or (most likely) a postmortem party.”

Page Six (the NYC gossip pages)

How many thank you parties does she need to provide for her donors, particularly since the host is an Evercore Partners investment firm that had to fire someone who was caught with insider trading.

Glorious!

humphrey

I wonder if Anthony Weiner will be in attendance?

humphrey

This is tangentially related to the book as far as the campaign is concerned.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/apr/22/sanders-speaks-to-packed-crowd-at-cox-pavillon-sat/

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders was a driving force in last year’s presidential election cycle, giving eventual Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton all she could handle in a hard-fought Nevada primary.

On Saturday, the Vermont senator returned to Las Vegas, urging his supporters to fight back against the policies of President Donald Trump through grassroots campaigning, phone calls and knocking on doors.

Here is the kicker!

Before Sanders, Perez, who became the DNC Chair on Feb. 25, spoke emphatically to the crowd, pledging the committee’s dedication to constituents after reports of corruption and preferential treatment toward Clinton during the 2016 election cycle resulted in the resignation of former chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and firing of acting chair Donna Brazile from CNN.

eve

Subir,
I don’t detest Taibi at all…… (perhaps you wrote this originally for the DK audience which is by design of the editor in chief a strong support base for Mrs. Clinton.)

Here’s a different take from your take on the book, written by the editor at Consortium News

Why Hillary Clinton Really Lost

I left DK some time ago, before the November election, but while I was there I appreciated your work.
However I disagree with much of your article here as it minimizes, IMO, the responsibility of Mrs. Clinton for her own loss.
I remember at the last White House Correspondents Dinner, even Barack Obama attacked the Clinton campaign – summarizing it with a sound bite like “Trudge uphill with Hillary”.

I supported Sanders through the primary and wound up voting for Gary Johnson – not that I agreed with his libertarian philosophy but because he promised no more regime change wars.

I read the Truth Report on Honduras about how Clinton and the Obama administration refused to declare the 2009 coup a COUP, even though leaked state dept. cables declared it an “illegal coup”. Declaring it a COUP would have stopped the military aide to Honduras by U.S. law and avoided the violence and bloodshed that followed.
Bertha Caceras, indigenous environmental and civil rights activist, before she herself was murdered lay the blame for the violence against women and the immediate reversal of reforms, at Hillary Clinton’s feet. Clinton brushed it off in her book as one of her Hard Choices.

Cáceres singled out Hillary Clinton for her involvement in the Honduran coup:

“The return of the president, Mel Zelaya, became a secondary issue. There were going to be elections in Honduras. And here, she, Clinton, recognized that they didn’t permit Mel Zelaya’s return to the presidency. There were going to be elections. And the international community—officials, the government, the grand majority—accepted this, even though we warned this was going to be very dangerous and that it would permit a barbarity, not only in Honduras but in the rest of the continent. And we’ve been witnesses to this.”[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berta_Cáceres

I have met and heard about, second hand, conservative life long Republicans and independents who voted for Bernie in the primary because they trusted his honesty and they were tired of the lies and distortions coming out of Washington – people had lost faith in the system and Hillary Clinton ran as the embodiment of that system – people were/are hurting from the damage from the near financial collapse following the lopsided deregulations that turned Wall Street into a gambling Casino and the endless regime change wars that seem to make more enemies and therefore this country less safe.
(See Andrew Bacevich, historian at Boston university:
http://www.bu.edu/pardeeschool/2016/04/20/bacevich-gives-talk-on-americas-war-for-the-greater-middle-east/ )

For a discussion of the deregulation that led to the near collapse of the financial markets, see various articles on this web site:
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2017/04/has-former-goldman-sachs-president-gary-cohn-gone-rogue-on-glass-steagall/

Hillary Clinton was an active participant in all of these events and she supported them. She failed to persuade, apparently, too many of the people who had been hurt by these unsustainable policies that she understood their pain. As you may know, in a leaked Wall Street speech she announced to the attendees that she felt out of touch with average Americans. And people knew it because she ran as the candidate who deserved to be elected instead of the candidate who understood and was willing to try to undo the damage to working people from 30+ years of policies undermining the New Deal that had made it possible for average people to do ok.

Thanks for posting here.
All views, thanks to LD, the excellent editor, are welcome!

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