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wi60

Bernie just crunched Cruz’s tax plan and Cruz didn’t remember his own plan –to funny.

Benny

Bernie mentioned the deficit–he still hasn’t had enough rebuttal time to connect the dots–when you give tax breaks to the most wealthy, then there isn’t enough money to pay for Medicare. He did point out that the revenue neutrality isn’t there, doesn’t create enough jobs to make up the revenue.

Isn’t peculiar that Rethugs get amnesia when it comes to tax breaks and the budget deficit?

wi60

And then CNN cuts off Bernie and says we have to cut away to make $$$$> Let Bernie finish for once

humphrey

I am watchingq but unfortunately I find it difficult to watch and type at the same time.

wi60

same here -Don’t feel bad its a tough skill to manage

Benny

Child tax credit question: audience member is pointing out that child tax credits don’t help those who can’t utilize itemized deductions. Even if they could benefit from itemized deductions, the form is so frigging complicated– not easy for anyone to do the 1040A long form.

Benny

There is not much correlation between wages going up and corporate tax reductions. Most folks aren’t employed by the Fortune 500, which is what the GOP plan benefits.

Benny

Bernie is pointing out programs to help the working poor that would have to be cut for corporate welfare. How stupid is that, Ted?

Benny

Ted is trying to red bait in the discussion. Resorting to short hand used in Red State blog.

Benny

Bernie: a little higher tax for more services–higher quality at a lower cost. Nothing is free–Ted keeps talking about give aways–but his benefit the Fortune 500.

Benny

More short hand “left wing comedy writers” by Ted.

Most good comedy writers are liberal or at least center left. GOP hasn’t much in the way of a sense of humor.

Benny

Danish citizen just landed a sucker punch on Ted for “demonizing European health care systems.”

Benny

Sigh, Bernie accidentally walked into the trap and possible soundbite that Americans would be willing to pay the same percentage of taxes as Europeans. That’s not what he believes. Bernie sees raising taxes for more benefits in general.

wi60

Yea Bernie’s been real good tonight until that mistake, but plenty of time to clarify by 2020 if he runs.

humphrey

Bernie’s strength is his consistency. He has been saying the same thing for years.

Benny

I hate Ted’s red baiting comments, but it is good practice for Bernie if he wants to run for POTUS again.

Benny

Love it, Bernie weaponized Pappy Bush’s comment about Raygun’ s Voodoo Economics!

And Bernie got another bite: Ted Cruz thinks Social Security is a ponzi scheme!

Benny

Bernie called out Ted for red baiting too. Yea!

Benny

2.4 Trillion projection for budget deficit or adding to the debt. Wow.

humphrey

Ted doesn’t mention his tax breaks for the rich who don’t need it!

humphrey

Bernie wins the debate!

Benny

Bernie finished with a strong summary statement: corporate welfare vs life and death for women, children, and cutting support to attend college for students. More burdensome debt for generations beyond the boomers –the inference that debt would be hard to pay for unless there is horrific austerity.

wi60

yep 115 billion for all social programs 1.5 trillion for corporate welfare annually

humphrey

Now CNN is going to rip apart Trump for his comments to the fallen soldier’s widow!

humphrey

It is getting under his skin!

wi60

I wish Bernie would have added this:
GOP Lawmaker Says Emergency Rooms Should Be Able To Turn People Away

Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.) proposed on Friday that hospital emergency rooms should be able to turn patients away to help keep health care costs down.

humphrey

There is a small clip of the debate at this link.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/356149-bernie-calls-gop-tax-plan-a-robin-hood-proposal-in-reverse

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday slammed the GOP tax plan as a “Robin Hood proposal in reverse.”

“They are taking from the working families and the poor and they are giving to the rich. It’s a proposal that must be defeated,” he said during a CNN Debate about the tax plan with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

wi60

T&R to all that chimed in, Been switching back and forth between Bernie and Designated Survivor. TV President Kirkman id a hell of a lot better President than Trumpcorp. The series has touched on several of our current issues

humphrey

There are a bunch of clips of the debate at this link.

@AC360

humphrey

This exchange is a winner for Bernie!

Benny

What is so fine about that moment was the Danish guy was prepared to challenge Bernie further about Bernie’s aspirations for the country and ended up defending the Danish health care system because of the swiftness of it to start cancer treatments on his own mother. I noticed Bash and Tapper grew quiet as they were caught off guard, but not as much as Ted was.

Benny

DNC Meeting not starting well

Several key longtime officials have lost their posts, exposing a still-raw rift in the party and igniting anger among those in its progressive wing who see retaliation for their opposition to DNC Chairman Tom Perez.

The ousters come ahead of the DNC’s first meeting, in Las Vegas, Nevada, since Perez took over as chairman with a pledge earlier this year that he would unite the party that had become badly divided during the brutal Bernie Sanders-Hillary Clinton 2016 primary.

Complaints began immediately after party officials saw a list of Perez’ appointments to DNC committees and his roster of 75 “at-large” members, who are chosen by the chair.

The removal and demotion of a handful of veteran operatives stood out, as did what critics charge is the over-representation of Clinton-backed members on the Rules and Bylaws Committee, which helps set the terms for the party’s presidential primary, though other Sanders and Ellison backers remain represented.

Pray tell, who got demoted or pushed out?

Those who have been pushed out include:

Ray Buckley, the New Hampshire Democratic chairman and longtime DNC official who ran against Perez for chair before backing Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., lost his spots on the Executive Committee and DNC Rules Committee;
James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute and prominent Sanders backer, is no longer co-chair of the Resolutions Committee and is off the Executive Committee, a spot he has held since 2001;
Alice Germond, the party’s longtime former secretary and a vocal Ellison backer, who was removed from her at-large appointment to the DNC; and

Barbra Casbar Siperstein, the first transgender member of the DNC who supported Ellison and Buckley, was tossed from the Executive Committee.

The moves exposed a rift in the partnership between Perez and his deputy chair, Ellison, who have publicly broadcast their “bromance” since Perez tapped the lawmaker for the post in a show of unity after their hard-fought race earlier this year for the party’s chairmanship.

“I’m concerned about the optics, and I’m concerned about the impact,” Zogby said of the changes. “I want to heal the wound of 2016.”

“I understand the chair can do as he pleases, but still, it’s all just very disappointing,” Buckley said.

Noteworthy:

Germond has been on the DNC since the 1980s.

“It is quite unusual for a former party officer who has been serving on the DNC for like forever to just be left out in the cold without even a call from the chairman,” said Germond, who was a vocal Ellison backer for DNC chairman. “So I assumed it had something to do with myself support for Keith.”

“I understand that I fought very hard for Keith Ellison. And I understand that to the winners go the spoils,” she added.

The DNC denied any retaliation, saying the changes were an effort to diversify and freshen the party’s leadership and that all the party’s officers had a chance to offer input. They touted new additions like Marisa Richmond, a millennial black transgender activist, and the first DREAMer member, Ellie Perez, to point to the DNC’s efforts at diversity.

“This year’s slate of at-large DNC member nominees reflects the unprecedented diversity of our party’s coalition,” said DNC spokesperson Michael Tyler.

“This slate doubles millennial and Native American at-large representation, provides unprecedented representation for our allies in the labor community, and increases the presence of Puerto Rican at-large members at a time when the Trump administration refuses to take responsibility for the millions of Americans who are still suffering through a major humanitarian crisis.”

The DNC has been under intense scrutiny from party activists since the 2016 presidential primary between Clinton and Sanders, and some had feared this week’s appointments could reignite those tensions. Others worried about replacing people with years of institutional memory with inexperienced newcomers in the effort to bring in new blood.

“Keith suggested names for DNC at-large membership and committees. Some were selected and some were not. In the end, the selections are the perogative of the chair,” Ellison spokesperson Karthik Ganapathy said in a terse statement.

Siperstein, the first transgender member of the DNC, said, “I can’t speak for Tom (Perez), but you talk about diversity — I’m extremely diverse: Jewish, veteran, transgender, lesbian, grandparent, small-business owner.”

Despite the shakeup, Zogby, is still the co-chair of the party’s Unity and Reform Commission, said, “This is a family. We’ve always operated that way.”

Interesting this news broke while Bernie & Ted were debating.
Wonder what Nina thinks about It?

Mirrors what has been happening at the Orange bubble too.

orlbucfan

T and R, mags!! 🙂 I didn’t watch it as I can’t tolerate yahoos like Cruz. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, huh, Ted? I hope whoever runs against him wraps that one around his worthless FRightwingnut neck and chokes him!!

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