HomeUncategorized2016 POTUS Candidates First Debate Thread
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wi59

Not going to bother watching, not voting for either evil any way, The DNC rigged the Primary and more than likely the media declaired her the winner of the debate already

Kate Josephs

first lie: “Donald, it’s good to be with you.”

wi59

Hillary faints on stage ,Bernie takes her place and saves America from both of them

phatkhat

If only.

joe from Lowell

Trump keeps saying stuff like “That’s called business,” or “That’s because I’m smart” when he’s called out on his business behavior. Does he really think it’s going to help to point out that he’s doing it for the money?

Fleur de Lisa

Oddly, many of his supporters seem to admire that about him – that’s his outspokenness and brash business-ness

joe from Lowell

It’s the same old Joe the Plumber scam. Like why people think they’re going to have to pay estate tax on what their middle-class parents leave to them.

Fleur de Lisa

My theory is that lotteries are deliberate strategies to get working class people to vote with the rich – if they hit the numbers, that top tax rate will take their fortune away.

new2this

I think his supporters somehow imagine that he will build up the US economy and screw over other countries, just like he does with his companies versus the other small businesses that he screwed over. That his displays of self-interest above all will somehow translate to America at large.

NVPainter

I hate to say this, but this weekend I saw a local artist I know — much more well known than I — and in the course of our conversation, learned that he worked for Trump, painting murals in his casinos. He said Trump liked his work, and he’s voting for him. He added that HE got paid — maybe some other people didn’t get paid, but he did. 🙁

joe from Lowell

Violent crime is down in New York since stop and frisk ended. I live in an inner city, and we don’t need right-wing Law and Order crap.

As a city guy, one thing that Trump did during the primary that I really liked was when he stood up to Ted Cruz and his slams against New York. I hate the terrified anti-urban prejudice, often with a racist edge, that so many Americans exhibit, and I could tell that Trump was actually insulted at this hayseed running down his city.

But then he turns around and talks about inner city neighborhoods as war zones where you can’t even walk down the street. Yeah, Donald, we’re all just savages. Gotcha.

NVPainter

Especially when he talks about Chicago. He really slammed them.

phatkhat

When I lived in Chicago 40-some years ago, the South Side was … rough. Now, from all I read, it IS a virtual war zone. Shootings all the time. No one ever tried to improve things there. Jobs, schools, housing – all of it sucked, and it’s probably 10 times worse now. You cannot expect people with no hope and no opportunity to be model citizens. Yet, no one wants to address the root causes.

phatkhat

Excuse me? You call Cruz a “hayseed”, but you are pissed about “anti-urban” prejudice? (I can’t stand Cruz, but a hayseed he is definitely NOT.)

One of the worst splits in this country is not race or class, but urban/rural. Neither can conceive of why in the world anyone would prefer the other way of life. Rural people see city people as either thugs or effete latte drinkers. City people see rural people as unsophisticated hicks. There is a grain of truth in both views, but painting with a broad brush eliminates all nuance. There are assholes and nice people everywhere.

NVPainter

The urban/rural split really is important. Good point, phatkhat. It wasn’t addressed in the debate, because Trump started talking about urban crime. He is clearly clueless about rural issues.

That is one thing that I really appreciated about Bernie’s visit to California. He talked to farmworkers in the Central Valley, and went to Salinas and Cloverdale, where agriculture is a significant part of the economy, and he learned about the issues there, issues that most people don’t know about and that don’t get the attention they need.

joe from Lowell

Young Donald Trump’s first time on the public stage was lying about the racial discrimination lawsuit against his dad’s rental company in the early 70s. He’s doing it again.

But he’s ok with black people and Muslims who are rich enough to join his golf club, so it’s all good.

new2this

Trump just said he has better judgement than Hillary, and he has a better temperament. (Audible laughter from the audience & moderator).

phatkhat

That isn’t saying much, Donald! But it may be true. I don’t know about the judgement – they are both pretty bad. But we know she has a taste for blood, and I doubt he has the stomach for it in reality.

NVPainter

But he doesn’t give a hill of beans about other people. He would have no more reticence sending people to war than he does to threaten lawsuits, take them to court, and refuse to pay them. There is no conscience there. And if he’s feeling as though his authority is being questioned? It’s all personal for him, and that is both creepy and scary. He has no business having power over anyone’s life.

I don’t like her, either, for all the reasons we’ve talked about. But the difference between them was pretty stark in the debate. Bernie’s right. Why should I have ever doubted him? We absolutely need to make sure Trump does not get in the White House.

joe from Lowell

I don’t know why people give Trump the benefit of the doubt for not being a hawk, just because he criticizes Clinton. Nixon criticized LBJ for Vietnam. Bush complained that Bill Clinton was too interventionist and promised a more humble foreign policy. It’s just like when a Democrat is in the White House and the Republican presidential candidate runs against big deficits. As soon as they get in, they start more wars and run bigger deficits.

Trump certainly hasn’t articulated any principles or policies that would indicate a non-interventionist worldview. His foreign policy endorsements look like the hawkish wing of the Republican Party, and some Jack D. Ripper types from the military. And he generally talks about the rest of the world with a domineering truculence. I think his criticisms of Hillary Clinton add up to nothing more than “You suck at this; let me show you how it’s done.”

phatkhat

Vote your conscience. I’ll vote mine. And it won’t be either one of them.

NVPainter

I understand.

NVPainter

He clearly demonstrated his lack of both temperament and judgement during the debate. That laughter was well-earned.

new2this

Trump says Hillary has lots of experience, but it’s bad experience.

new2this

The Young Turks are beginning their post-debate analysis. Check it out: http://www.tytnetwork.com/live

joe from Lowell

Donald Trump just blatantly lied about being against Iraq, and you could see Hillary standing there, stock still, bursting to speak out, obviously holding a “Don’t say anything” face. It was great.

joe from Lowell

Wow, he really melted down by the end. Rosie O’Donnell?

He took every piece of bait she threw out. It wasn’t like she was being ultra-clever, or these were tough traps to avoid. Don’t say you were right to call a woman a fat pig; how hard is that?

Chump.

joe from Lowell

Said Trump:

I don’t think General Douglas MacArthur would like that too much.

Douglas MacArthur was one of the genuine villains in recent American history. He disobeyed orders and acted on his own authority to attack the Bonus Army, veterans who were protesting for aid during the beginning of the Great Depression, in Washington. He tried deliberately, and succeeded, in bringing the Chinese into the Korean War. He was awful.

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