HomeUncategorizedOCT 8 Open Thread and Can We Bomb Syria Without Congressional Approval?
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joe from Lowell

Can the US bomb a country without approval from Congress? As per the War Powers Resolution of 1973, yes, for 90 days (actually 60 days plus a 30 day withdrawal period). After that, a Congressional approval is required.

bebimbob

Apropos to your last question:

I don’t know if it’s any particular ideological group of politicians that are intent on escalating our involvement in Syria. I will give Obama the benefit of the doubt that he has no interest in doing so for any reason other than utter necessity.

It is truly heartbreaking to see what is happening in eastern Aleppo, with hospitals being bombed and women, children and babies being crushed to death or buried alive. It’s like London during World War II, and it is unrelenting.

John Kerry said yesterday that Russia and the Assad regime should be investigated for war crimes. This is not a trivial remark, but a shot across the bow.

With the Russian air force buzzing our ships off the Baltic states, we are living in very dangerous times. I truly think that Putin is a mad man, and I’m guessing that President Obama has come to that conclusion as well. I am glad that we have his steady hand here, if only for a few more months, given the two major candidates running for president.

I think the only thing Putin understands is force. Sanctions will have no effect on him. There is no opposition in the Russian Duma.

Where is Europe on this? Is no one else speaking up besides Kerry and the UN?

Thanks for bringing this up as an important area of discussion here at The Progressive Wing. None of us want war, but can we sit idly by while little children are blown to smithereens?

joe from Lowell

I don’t think Putin is mad, but rather, a cold-eyed, heartlessly amoral player of realpolitik. He has demonstrated a capacity to back down when that is the smart move – stripping Syria of its advanced chemical weapons during the faceoff after the Ghouta attacks, for instance – where a madman like Kim or Gadhaffi would have let his foolish pride force him into doing something stupid. Similarly, he could have gone all the way to Tbilisi during the clash in Georgia, but he didn’t.

There, doesn’t that make you feel better? 😱

grapevines

John Oliver examines (satirically) North Dakota’s love affair with Big Oil & Gas. Big Oil & Gas are the largest campaign donors to North Dakota’s elected officials

….maybe its time too vote them out 🙁

orlbucfan

I just wanted to thank the TPW krewe for checking in on me here in east central FL w/Matthew. 🙂 Man, did our area dodge a big fat nasty bullet!!!! All the area papers and blogs are raising havoc over climate change as it did affect this storm. We’re stuck with maggot brained Scott and the rest of the smelly crooks in Tallahassee. Should have seen his big act getting people to evacuate. He claims not to believe in cc. He’s a thief who “loves” the pollution bribers to death.

I think ole HRC has it in the bag next month. Not voting for either one. Putin is ex-KGB as have been a lot of former Russian/Soviet dictators. He’s not stupid. I doubt very seriously that he wants to blow the world to smithereens. I look at him like I look at HRC. Both of them like power and proving they’ve got big balls. Pretty prehistoric and disgusting!!! T and R!!

grapevines

I believe that as long as APAC remains as a very strong influence in Congress/& with our President in regards to war/escalation in Syria or any other Arab Middle East country an honest debate or Congressional conversation will not take place.

As long as Zionist foreign policy and goals are shared by those in power in the US we will continue to fight wars/orchestrate regime change on behalf of the Zionist agenda…it’s also very profitable for Us Arms and Weapons manufactures (who are large donors to both political parties)

Here’s a brief exert from a Global Research article published in 2013…not much has changed.

The following document pertaining to the formation of “Greater Israel” constitutes the cornerstone of powerful Zionist factions within the current Netanyahu government, the Likud party, as well as within the Israeli military and intelligence establishment.

According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”

When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria and Iraq, the war in Yemen, the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.

“Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates.

The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel.

Greater Israel would create a number of proxy States. It would include parts of Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, the Sinai, as well as parts of Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East:

The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.

Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.

I’d say the “breaking up” of Syria has been mostly accomplished with its ongoing horrific war, destroyed/bombed into oblivion cities and millions of displaced refugee citizens fleeing the country for their lives. All Israel needs now is for our current Pres or future Pres to escalate in for the final blow….all with the aproval of our APAC influenced Congress.

I really have to applaud Obama for resisting that so far. The pressure is up though…I can’t help but wonder if the recent demonization of all things Russian is connected…just to set the Cold War fear mood.

Remember that Netanyahu was invited, in a show of “love” to speak before Congress and Obama wasn’t included in that plan

here’s a link to the above article…very interesting and eye opening
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

humphrey

I haven’t turned on the TV machine yet today but yesterday when the MSM was aghast about Trump Wikileaks released some new info.

Below is The Intercept’s take on the release.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

No big surprises for those who have been paying attention but i will quote a few than I found interesting.

Touching on her view of developing financial regulations, Clinton declared to a crowd of Goldman Sachs bankers that in order to “figure out what works,” the “people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry.”

At a speech for Morgan Stanley on April 18, 2013, Clinton praised the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan — which would reduce corporate tax rates while raising the Social Security age. “But Simpson-Bowles — and I know you heard from Erskine earlier today — put forth the right framework. Namely, we have to restrain spending, we have to have adequate revenues, and we have to incentivize growth. It’s a three-part formula,” she said.

Clinton also told a housing trade group in 2013 that on certain issues, she has “a public and a private position.” “If everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least,” said Clinton. “So, you need both a public and a private position.”

I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear a conversation between Jane and Bernie discussing the latest revelations.

phatkhat

And of course, the hackers who obtained all this had to be… RUSSIAN!

As with the other leaks, the content is a lot more salient than the source. Well, at least the transcripts – or parts of them – have finally been released.

None of that, however is as salacious as Trump’s philandering. Funny how it is so shocking, but Bill’s is not.

joe from Lowell

I’m not sure how old you are, phatkat, but there has actually been quite a bit more written about Bill Clinton’s sexual misbehavior than Donald Trump’s. I could dig up some links if you don’t believe me lol.

phatkhat

I’m probably a lot older than you. And I remember the US debacle about Monica well, though I was overseas at the time. The others were brought up, but I didn’t live in Arkansas then, and only learned about some of those in detail later.

However, there is a difference in the amount of print and the outrage it stirs up. A lot of it is purely partisan. But, IMHO, Trump is being skewered for stuff Bill got by with. Both of them are lechers, and the only reason their wives stick by is $$$, and in Bill’s case, Hillary’s bottomless political ambition. He was her ticket, no matter how tattered.

magsview

Interesting tweet from Jane Sanders:

Things getting weird, Republicans implicitly saying that they plan to vote for HC being touted by the MSM. Thing is that the GOP, as always, seems to manage a way to turn that to their down ticket advantage. And, also as always, all the drama around DT distracts from progressive messaging!

Am doing my best on my end to cut through the crap. Wasn’t surprised the other day when boss expressed interest in voting for Gary Johnson. Boss hates regulations and thinks DT is a “dope”. That’d be the first time, if he goes through with it, that he doesn’t vote Republican. Such a weird election season.

Off to make Saturday night nachos 🙂 I hope you all have a great night!!

magsview

One more tweet, cuz I love Nina Turner. She seems like the real deal (and she feels our pain):

magsview

One more, because I love Nina Turner. She seems like the real deal (and she feels our pain):

phatkhat

Good discussion of our “stealth war” with Syria. Sooner or later, we’re all toast.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?a=206940&p=

grapevines

it really doesn’t seem so “stealth” to me, as the Washington Post calls it.

from the article

Call it stealth warfare, call it poking the bear, call it whatever you’d like. The fact is, the Syrian war has entered a new and more dangerous phase increasing the chances of a catastrophic confrontation between the US and Russia.

This new chapter of the conflict is the brainchild of Pentagon warlord, Ash Carter, whose attack on a Syrian outpost at Deir Ezzor killed 62 Syrian regulars putting a swift end to the fragile ceasefire agreement.

Carter and his generals opposed the Kerry-Lavrov ceasefire deal because it would have required “military and intelligence cooperation with the Russians.” In other words, the US would have had to get the greenlight from Moscow for its bombing targets, which would have undermined its ability to assist its jihadist fighters on the ground.
That was a real deal-breaker for the Pentagon

But bombing Deir Ezzor fixed all that. It got the Pentagon out of the jam it was in, it torpedoed the ceasefire, and it allowed Carter to launch his own private shooting match without presidential authorization.

Mission accomplished.

then there’s this

And what about the two Syrian bridges US warplanes took out over the Euphrates last week? (making it more difficult to attack ISIS strongholds in the eastern quadrant of the country) Don’t they count?

Of course, they do.

grapevines

“The biggest impact will be on civilians,” Ahmad Ramadan, a member of the Deir e-Zor is Being Slaughtered Silently media campaign told Syria Direct on Wednesday. Ramadan is not currently inside Syria, but is in contact with Deir e-Zor activists and residents.

“IS makes bridges” that civilians are not allowed to use, said Ramadan, “by using concrete drainage pipes, and putting dirt on top of that.” The group also reportedly has a number of rafts it can use to traverse the river.

The al-Eshara bridge in IS-held Deir e-Zor province on Wednesday. Photo courtesy of Wisam Muhammad.

Disabling the Mayadeen and al-Eshara bridges “can only affect heavy machinery like tanks and cannons,” he added.

The bridges linked villages on the northeast bank of the Euphrates river with cities on the opposite bank, meaning they served not only as supply routes for IS fighters, but also as lifelines for local civilians. Their destruction “effectively dismembers” the area, Murad, a resident of Mayadeen told Syria Direct on Wednesday.

“Putting aside visits, relatives and relationships, the transport and trade of agricultural products and goods is the most important,”

http://syriadirect.org/news/us-led-coalition-destroys-two-bridges-in-is-held-deir-e-zor-leaving-civilians-in-the-lurch/

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