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Benny

Don’t Get Too Excited’ About Medicare for All

And many voters seem confused by the fundamentals. In polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation, about half of Americans said they believed they would be able to keep their current insurance under a single-payer plan, which is not the case.

Optimism without specifics carries risk, as Barack Obama learned after promising that people wouldn’t lose their doctors under the Affordable Care Act. That promise haunted the Obama administration — it was singled out as PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year” in 2013 and is still mocked by members of the Trump White House.

There’s also the thorny issue of how Medicare for all would affect the thousands of jobs at private insurers. “We have an insurance industry in Omaha, and people say, ‘I worry about those jobs,’” said Kara Eastman, a Democrat running on Medicare for all in Nebraska’s Second District. She suggested people could be retrained, saying there would have to be “repurposing of positions.”

Critics of Medicare for all, on the other hand, tend to exaggerate the costs of single-payer: “Denmark’s top tax bracket is nearly 60 percent!” (True, although that’s largely not because of health care.) “Doctors’ incomes will drop 40 percent!” (True, specialists in private practice would probably see pay cuts, but primary care doctors could well see an increase.)

Canadians generally pay higher taxes than Americans do — specifically a goods and services tax, and higher taxes on the wealthy. In Germany, working people pay 7.5 percent of income as a contribution toward comprehensive insurance.

But many Americans pay far more than that when you count premiums, deductibles, co-payments and out-of-network charges. Estimates of the tax increases required to support a Medicare-for-all or single-payer system are all over the map, depending on how the plan is structured, the prices paid to providers and drug makers, and the generosity of benefits.

I have to confess: I want VA care for all. But the Vets would likely object.

Benny

Should We Be Socialists? A Politicon Panel Discusses.

Benny

You will note who is sitting on the left edge of the panel.

polarbear4

gag.

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polarbear4

We have a feel good bond measure up for “affordable housing” that is basically a huge giveaway to developers–no requirement of a cap on rent, no requirement that the money go to nonprofits, just $$$$$ for developers. But a respected minister who works with the houseless at times came out for it in a big way and it has divided the progressives.

I’m voting No, after attending the OR meeting yesterday, but I fear that it is popular bc on the surface it looks “caring.” Our city is really messing up. They are giving developers millions and millions in tax breaks for building luxury housing around a part of town that is now very much an integrated community. I’m a little shocked, honestly. I guess if i couldn’t still be shocked, i wouldn’t be here.

We also have star voting up–yes on that one! But again, i don’t have the highest of hopes, bc it’s different and likely needs a lot more familiarity, like M4A. Hopefully, this will at least get people looking at it. It’s like runoff voting.

And somehow proposals to restrict abortion rights got on the ballot. Thought we were past that here.

polarbear4

I haven’t watched this debate on socialism v. capitalism yet, but I’m intrigued by this partial description, especially the first paragraph!

I respect Dr. Mitchell for two reasons: First, he was extremely polite and “played fair.” Neither one of us interrupted the other and it did not descend into awkward personal sniping. We both stuck to the ideas. Second, Dr. Mitchell was extremely honest about the implications of his position. He admitted that he was opposed to democracy, that he thought offshore tax havens were good, that he believed workers shouldn’t have any rights beyond their contracts, and that he had no idea how capitalism could possibly avert the climate change crisis. The right often tries to avoid discussing these implications of its philosophy. Dr. Mitchell was quite blunt in saying that democracy is bad and tax avoidance is good. I am grateful to him because, while I find these positions morally objectionable in the extreme, it is helpful when I can point to someone’s actual words rather than having to accuse them of burying their true feelings beneath euphemisms.

The debate we had was very illuminating on the contrasts between the capitalist philosophy and the socialist one. I explained how the premises of laissez-faire, that “voluntary contracts” between people would ensure maximal freedom, were false: In fact, power tends to concentrate in the hands of a few extremely wealthy elites, and because wealth is power, those who have very little wealth have very little power. We are subjected to the “private government” of corporations; while elected officials can be voted out, a company like Facebook can do as it pleases because it has cornered a market, and users have very little say in what happens. The debate was partly about “big tech” and I showed the contrast between the “participatory” governance of Wikipedia and the top-down governance of the large for-profit companies, explaining why socialists thought it so important that ordinary people be allowed to take part in decisions that affect their lives.

polarbear4

I like how he points out that it’s more theater than earnestly convincing people.

There is a very strong prevailing sentiment among leftists that debate is futile, that you do not beat the right politically by besting them in an argument. I have always thought that this misunderstands what a public debate is for: It is not so that you can convince the other person they are wrong, and it is not so you can meticulously list a slew of logical fallacies they have committed. It is a theatrical spectacle, and if you master it, it helps draw people to your cause.

Benny

Glad to see Symone getting out on the trail for someone in the Plains.

Benny

Bernie with JD Scholten this afternoon.

(I almost wrote just JD, but I didn’t want to confuse our JD with the Iowa’s JD!)

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jcitybone

Good polling news from Florida

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/21/politics/cnn-poll-florida-senate-governor/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fpolitics%2Fnew%2F

As the final two weeks of campaigning begin, Democrats hold an edge in both the gubernatorial and Senate contests in the key state of Florida, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum holds a wide 12-point edge over his Republican opponent Rep. Ron DeSantis in the race for governor, while the Senate contest is a closer matchup with incumbent Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson at 50% to Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s 45%.

Benny

Friendly reminder that CNN is hosting the Gillum-DeSantis debate 8 ET/7 CT/6 MT/5 PT
tonight. It’s being held at a PBS station in Tampa.

Benny

No wonder we have Trump. Sick Rott is the role model.

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Rick Scott has financial ties to the vendor that operates the troubled SunPass toll-collection system.

Scott’s financial link to the SunPass vendor is at least the seventh reported example of the wealthy governor’s personal investments in corporations that do business with or are regulated by the state he governs.

Here’s how public documents explain the latest link:

• By late June, records show, a manager of a hedge fund called Highline Capital Management held 7 million shares of stock worth $127 million in Conduent Inc.

• Scott and his wife Ann have invested at least $5 million in the fund managed by Highline, according to a financial disclosure Scott filed in July because of his U.S. Senate bid.

• A Conduent subsidiary, Conduent State and Local Solutions, won a $287 million Florida contract in 2015 to manage SunPass.

• The contract, which has grown to $343 million, was awarded by the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) whose secretary is appointed by Scott. Direct oversight of Conduent is the responsibility of the Florida Turnpike Enterprise, an arm of FDOT.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/10/19/revealed-rick-scotts-financial-link-to-botched-sunpass-contract/

polarbear4

That’s our tax money that pours out now that we have private/public partnerships. They sound so innocuous, but instead are insidious!

orlbucfan

Sick Rott is a real indictment of the American public. He spent $75M of his stolen coin to get elected and out from under legal heat. He slithered into office, steals as much money as he can, and gets legally re-elected. What’s that tell you? He’s still stealing it–there’s a report out that he’s hooked into the power restoration in Puerto Rico. He’s a scum bag and an insult to all good decent humans everywhere. He’s got plenty of slimeball company in this country and Florida. The early vote totals look heavy here. We’ve just started. But if the talk about the mail-in ballots is accurate, this state will have a yuge turnout for the midterms. Hope, hope, hope! 🙂 T and R to the usual always excellent TPW suspects!!

Benny

With little competition in RGV general elections, Beto O’Rourke hoping he can burst through

If the conclusion is inevitable, what’s the point in voting?

“Every time you don’t have a competitive race here in the Valley, Republican versus Democrat, voters are hard to turn out,” said longtime state Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa, D-McAllen. “Because people — both sides — don’t have to be out there working in their communities getting the vote out.”

Democratic Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke is hoping to burst through the lack of competition in the Valley and inspire the region to show up at the polls in record-shattering numbers to overcome incumbent U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz. After all, there are hundreds of thousands of registered voters in South Texas, and 10,000 more people have registered to vote in Hidalgo County since the March primary.

O’Rourke has drawn up to 2,000-person crowds in recent visits here — nearly 10 of them in the last 20 months. Hinojosa and U.S. Reps. Vicente Gonzalez, D-McAllen, and Filemon Vela, D-Brownsville, who have all participated in some of these events, said they’ve never seen crowds like these in the Valley.

However, Hinojosa and Vela have almost never faced a serious Republican challenge (Gonzalez is running for his first re-election, against a mostly anonymous Republican opponent). Hinojosa won his 2016 general election by more than 20 points; Vela won his by 25; and Gonzalez won his inaugural election by nearly 20 points.

I’m wondering how much polling WSJ/Marist, etc, are doing in the Rio Grande Valley?

Benny

I’m watching the CNN debate. 70 seconds for responses, 30 sec rebuttals.

DeSantis already coming out swinging on opening statement, saying that Gillum will raise taxes and that he is a failed mayor, corrupt.

Gillum responds: well that was a mouthful. Then starts giving his brief bio, running for those who were told they don’t belong. Very proud to be Floridian and looking forward to an engaged conversation.

Benny

First question is about climate change (as related to the recent hurricane). DeSantis isn’t quite embracing climate change or trying to do anything about it, doing something “California” it would raise electricity rates and hurt seniors.

Gillum responds that he believes in solar energy.

Another question which industries would you put on notice for hurting Florida’s environment and what would they have to change? Gillum responds many of the biggest polluters were donors to DeSantis’ campaign. Then he starts attacking Gillum for wanting to impeach Trump, not work with him. Gillum responds DeSantis voted 33 times against clean water. DeSantis claims he has endorsed by Everglades Foundation. Gillum points out the board is only 3 people.

Benny

orlbucfan

I skipped it cos DeSantis is an Orange Dimwitted Creamsicle Looneytune fan. My ballot is set anyway. I hope that the turnout is yuge. I’m always hoping for that to happen. LOL. There was a ridiculous article in the local paper selling the line that non-voters are cool. Sure, and I just grew a second head.

Benny

Next question is about healthcare and that DeSantis thinks Medicare is a far left socialist program. Gillum says he’s totally wrong and wants to expand Medicaid. DeSantis tries to scare viewers that Medicare for All will do away for Medicare for seniors and take away Tri-Care. Gillum mentions that DeSantis voted to allow stripping away pre-existing conditions. Leads to the question for DeSantis: should insurance companies be allowed to charge more to poeple with pre-existing conditions. DeSantis doesn’t answer the question, but instead keeps hamering about government run insurance. Gillum fires back that healthcare is number one issue–it affects livelihood. DeSantis won’t say what his plan is when Gillum presses him.

magsview

Not sure where this tweet fits in, but I saw this:

orlbucfan

That’s cos the FRightwingnut ahole doesn’t have a plan.

Benny

Next question is about raising the state minimum wage. DeSantis is asked what the minimum wage should be. He pivots by attacking Gillum by saying he wants to raise taxes rather than answering the question. Gillum complements Disney for raising their minimum wages to $15 per hour by 2021. DeSantis tells a whopper, says Seattle raised the minimum wage, businesses left and jobs were lost.

Gillum is asked about the corporate tax rate. He is proposing top 3% — one billion to pay for better pay for teachers, job training, healthcare etc. DeSantis counters that Gillum likes tax hikes and gave himself a better pension/benefits. (I don’t quite know where DeSantis got that 80K worth of more benefits).

DeSantis tries to lie about Tallahassee’s crime rate.

Isn’t there a commandment “Thou shall not bear false witness?” I’ve never heard so many lies as I’ve heard in the GE season, and I thought 2016 was bad.

Benny

orlbucfan

FRighties lie all the time cos they get away with it. The craporate MSM is a big player in facilitating them, too. Example: POX “News”

Benny

DeSantis has set up a strawman argument about immigration. If someone is here illegally, they should be turned in (and hence no sanctuary cities).

Benny

DeSantis doesn’t answer the question whether he would have supported the legislation that Scott signed after the Parkland shooting.

DeSantis keeps lying about the crime rate in Tallahassee and refuses to acknowledge any of the facts.

jcitybone

You are a saint for watching these debates. Listening to Republicans lying gives me agita.

Benny

Gillum had a strong finish:

jcitybone

Benny

I always liked that album by 3 Dog Night because it also had One Man Band and Joy to the World. I just looked it up and the LP’s titled is “Naturally.”

polarbear4

ditto, thank you benny!

Benny

orlbucfan

Sounds about right, Andrew. 🙂

Benny

Miami Herald Endorses Gillum:

andrew Gillum is the best candidate to pull Florida back to the center, back to making sure the middle class and working class don’t continue to bear the brunt of Tallahassee’s misguided spending; back to acting on behalf of the Floridians denied health insurance by the current administration; back to putting public schools, which serve the majority of the state’s children, in the spotlight; back to being a leader in the fight against sea-level rise and the degradation of the environment.

The tenacity, political smarts and commitment to public service that propelled this Tallahassee mayor to victory from the bottom of the pack of better-known candidates in August’s Democratic primary speak volumes. We think that each quality will serve him well as he likely confronts and negotiates with a Republican-dominated Legislature. These lawmakers were used to falling into line behind a governor whose often skewed sense of public service too often matched their own.

Floridians can only expect more of the same should Gillum’s Republican opponent, Ron DeSantis, move into the Governor’s Mansion. That wouldn’t be good for Florida or the people who call it home.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article220402140.html

orlbucfan

Orlando Sentinel aka ‘Slantinel’ endorsed him, too.

jcitybone

More Come ON Tedddd
“Ted’s been to every county… in Iowa!” continues Davis, while the ad notes that Cruz’s attendance record places him in the bottom 10 percent of Senators. “I’m not paying for that anymore. Six more years of your aspirations? You go, Ted! Don’t let us get in your way.”
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp24020233/richard-linklater-ted-cruz-beto-orourke-ad/

Benny

Booker went to campaign for Staecy Abrams. I think that is a good thing.

polarbear4

maybe she’ll rub off on him. 😉

Benny

jcitybone

Chris Sevier is also named as a plaintiff. Sevier has filed lawsuits across the country in opposition to same-sex marriage, the newspaper noted.

He previously filed a lawsuit in Houston arguing that if men can marry other men, he should be allowed to marry his laptop.

Benny

Good tweet which sums up the CNN debate tonight between Gillum and DeSantis:

TheLeftistheCenter

Gillum is a very good politician being very smooth and confident, but also very straight in his policy positions (unlike most typical politicians), so even though hes not quite progressive enough for me hes still so good as a package and so much better than the typical Fl gov, I actually like him alot and easily forgive his negatives.

orlbucfan

He’s got my vote and the votes of everyone I respect politically. The jesus jerks excluded. I am hoping Nelson wins, too.

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