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amerzb4

16 people at my meet-up. People didn’t know each other and were happy to talk afterwards and have contact with like-minded others. There was some desire for more direction and it would have been good if the host had coordinated a way for the group to continue. There was no allegiance to Democrats and a number of us had Demexited. There is plenty of energy to be harnessed, but it remains to be seen what will happen. Overall, people were looking for ways to be involved. It would have been helpful to have had local names to tell people in terms of upcoming elections. I was pleased to hear about the ballot initiatives that would be a focus. I think that’s a great way to use progressives at this point. We’ve got to make ourselves visible.

phatkhat

Weaver? Oh, ew.

I didn’t go to the meetup. Only 3 people signed up. Seems that once Bernie’s nomination was stolen that people just gave up. I kinda feel that way, too, though still donating to Grayson, Canova, and a few more.

Leu2500

Well, from the # of sign ups I had for my watch party i don’t think they’ve given up. Now, only 25% actually showed up (4 people), but that was pretty good based on my phone bankng experience & it was all new to me people.

JoshL

Thanks for sharing this magsview.

Well over 100 people turned up to the launch tonight in my area. From what I understand, Bernie hammered President Obama on the TPP, and the drug companies for their crazy good profits (fifty billion) off of human misery, all of which is so well deserved. Bernie, unlike Hillary Clinton, is actually fighting for us during and after the election.

amerzb4

One of the younger people in my group commented on how much she’s learned during this primary season, how Bernie has educated so many about the issues and the corruption. I think he did an excellent job of teaching people more about TPP, something they won’t get in the MSM.

Leu2500

The comment I made over at c99:

It was soooo good to hear Bernie again.
rather than whoever it was who gave a speech endorsing Hillary & speaking at the convention.

I like that Larry Cohen, former pres of the communication workers of America is heading up Our Revolution’s board.

I know a lot of people don’t like weaver, but I didn’t have a problem with him during the primaries. Other than Nina, I thought he was the best surrogate for Bernie. (But the money thing worries me)

As others have said, I picked up on the use of progressive in his speech. The progressive democrats of America had a Facebook post up this week about how they were kind of the people who pushed Bernie to run, so I wonder if there’s an informal alliance there with our revolution.

I knew about the single payer initiative in Colorado, but I did not know about the drug price proposition (prop 61) in California.

Of course the TPP stuff was good to hear.

Whenever Bernie mentions how important it is to run for school board, I’m reminded of the approach the republicans took to take over states and congress.

My watch party ended up being 4 people + me. All people I hadn’t met before at Bernie events. None of us millennials.

And “be that change” really grabbed my attention.

I hate that Shannon Jackson indicated that it will take them quite awhile to roll out all the candidates they support on the website. We need time for our donations, phonebanking & canvassing to add up.

Edited to add: I didn’t write down the numbers Shannon had on the number of people watching, but it was a boatload of people.

polarbear4

rather than whoever it was who gave a speech endorsing Hillary & speaking at the convention.

LOL.

Jo Crain

That was a good one and a good catch!

belle de jour

“It took seeing this tweet to realize that Bernie had not, in fact, talked about voting for Democrats, per se, it was all about Progressives:”

I’d like to see a transcript. I’m pretty damn sure he talked about electing democrats & mentioned democrats and the democratic party, when he mentioned candidates & parties at all. Rah rah rah.

Did I miss him mentioning another, progressive party? Or even the possibility? Or turning to his home identity, as an Independent, to start something up there? Did I miss him pushing and prompting for something different, something truly progressive to happen – that we could make happen – like that?

Again: I’d love to see a transcript, find something interesting and revolutionary that I must have completely missed in most of this re-hash speech + embarrassingly lackluster speakers who followed Bernie.

So: he hangs Tim Canova out to dry, in the public desert tonight, with no explanation?

And Jeff Weaver has some sort of bona fides because he got kicked out protesting what plenty of us got in trouble protesting? Please.

The TPP hammering was good. Sigh.

But overall, the sad, disorganized, uninspiring mess this evening made me yearn again for the genuine promise & as-one community spirit and principles of what might have been.

A Progressive Canadian
A Progressive Canadian

Re: Canova

Somebody at KfS said

Schumer wants DWS. If he’s speaker next session he has control over who is on what committee. Sanders is head of budget unless he pisses off Schumer. I think he’s throwing Canova overboard in exchange for becoming head of budget. It’s a tough choice, but it’s what I would do. Obama, Biden, Schumer & Clinton are all campaigning hard for DWS. I don’t know why she’s so important to them IRL, but I know the banks really want her and are somehow tying this to the funding of the presidential library. It really sucks.

Leu2500

This analysis would be better, if the author knew that Bernie wants to be chair of the health Education & labor (it’s the committee ted Kennedy chaired) If the dems regain the majority and If Patty Murray doesn’t want it.

See this interview. http://www.wcax.com/story/32816457/sanders-reflects-on-campaign-ready-to-return-to-senate

jcitybone

Yes it could be musical chairs–Here’s a good article explaining what might be going on:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/285964-clinton-ally-stands-between-sanders-and-chairmanship-dream
In a nutshell
Retiring Mikulski leaves an opening at the top of Appropriations
Leahy could fill that but he also could stay as head of Judiciary
If he stays at Judiciary, Murray then could take over Appropriations but she could also stay as head of Health
For Sanders to take over at Health–Leahy would need to stay put and Murray need to move

That being said I would like to know what’s up with Sanders/Canova. Could his inaction be quid pro quo for his move to Health? Even if Canova doesn’t win, he has made DWS sweat which is a good thing. I’m really not happy with Sanders’ silence here, especially since he initially pointed to the race as one to get involved in.

belle de jour

“I’m really not happy with Sanders’ silence here, especially since he initially pointed to the race as one to get involved in.”

Exactly.

orlbucfan

They won’t matter if Canova defeats her. Bernie has played this political game for decades. Can’t stand DWS and the only chance she’s got is her district is heavily Jewish and retired. If there’s a heavy turnout, she loses. I missed Bernie’s speech, but I was invited to the watch party. I’m puzzled about all the gloom I see in some of the comments. Bernie is doing exactly what he said he would do all along. We have got to flush out the RW corporate garbage and the starting point is the lowest local levels. Rome wasn’t built in a day and this toilet flush will take time. T and R!!

dkmich

Another betrayal by Bernie for the good of the cause? Got a link to this story? Are you saying Bernie is now endorsing DWS? How did he throw Canova under the bus?

Spring Texan

Of course he’s not endorsing DWS. You are insisting on seeing things as worse than they are.

belle de jour

Bernie’s silence – especially considering DWS’ behavior, considering the rapid withdrawal of support by Bernie secondaries to Canova last week, and especially considering the list of candidates Bernie DID make particular mention of last night, at the launch occasion – spoke volumes.

It was absolutely a glaring, intentional omission.

gustogirl

The other omission: Bernie is perfectly within his rights to sue the hell out of the D”N”C and Hillary. But he isn’t even talking about how crooked the primary was. Isn’t that the first and greatest priority – to bring democracy back to this nation?

belle de jour

This is precisely what infuriates me. I have no patience with him dropping the ball, especially when he has the backing and the right and the power to shed light and – as you say – make a practical difference by getting the democratic process’ dirty laundry not only out in public, but legally challenged.

I did not support Bernie Sanders so that he could be so quickly co-opted by the democratic party’s worst elements and behaviors and practices.

Not only did he drop the ball challenging Hillary on her corrupt practices during the campaign… he’s just continuing that trend here, when he was actually given the perfect, timely opportunity and power (by us) to do so.

“But he isn’t even talking about how crooked the primary was.”

This is SHAMEFUL. Full stop. SHAMEFUL.

I don’t care what ridiculous ‘deals’ or ‘concessions’ he may or may not have made with those corrupt people; none of it was admirable, or principled, or worth it.

KnotIookin

People need to remember… Schumer is a right leaning centrist… Always has been and we are about to hand HIS wing of the dem party a CHITLOAD more of the political marbles when he takes over for Harry.

polarbear4

Oh yeah, he’s bad. Wall St. and AIPAC all the way. Really kind of horrifying what this band of thugs is bringing into the White House. On the one hand, it’s too awful to comtemplate, but on the other, I’m glad that Bernie and whomever else we can get in there, will be there.

belle de jour

If this is indeed the reasoning behind the inaction, then I don’t happen to think ‘throwing Canova overboard’ is honorable or justifiable in any way.

It’s certainly not how I’d want to set the tone for any truly progressive way of doing things – and getting more, better things done.

It is, in fact, the old way of getting old, slippery-slope, horsetradery, ethically questionable things partially done.

polarbear4

someone in another thread said that Canova is the one who sent the Bernie team away–adding nothing new and not needed, or something similar–gave me a new, possible perspective.

Canova is still on the list on the website and is receiving LOTS of our money. I don’t know. I feel badly because what seems like Bernie keeping his word from when he started, to me, is Bernie betraying us all to you and others. And that would really make me mad and depressed, too.

belle de jour

If you read Canova’s comments, he still seems mystified and not a little hurt at was has occurred & how he was dumped.

I do not believe in Saint Bernard. I believed in Bernie, until he felt the need to publicly endorse a corrupt establishment politician who stands for almost everything we should all stand against.

And the worst part? He knows better. Or at least he did while he was still running.

Bernie should never have agreed to ‘endorse’ Hillary Clinton, for any reason – or under any circumstances – whatsoever. If that is keeping his word, then giving his word on that in the first place was unutterably, tragically wrong. The platform “gains” are mere bullshit, and not an excuse for doing the unthinkable. Nor is TrumpFear!

Sorry, but all of my predictions of what would happen after his betrayal endorsement are coming true, in rapid succession. Our Revolution is already an internal clusterfuck; Bernie has made unconscionable compromises to the democratic party machinery; Nina was screwed at the convention, with no defense or objection from Bernie, no public show of support protesting her silencing; Weaver and his ilk are waging a co-option + accepting democratic party scooby snacks from Donna Brazile et al, as we speak; and it all has alienated many of us who would have done anything for & with a leader who could and would stick to their and our original principles.

And, somehow, Bernie just can’t muster up the time or energy to mention Canova fighting the bete noire of democracy and the democratic party – not to mention the woman who screwed us all over – DWS.

So, yes. The truth of the reality of the very real betrayal, on so many levels – and its ramifications, already quite apparent – have made me (and many others) both furious and depressed.

Honestly: it’s like the Matrix. Once you’ve voluntarily taken the red pill for all the right reasons, there is no going back to blue pill’s oblivion and delusion and excuse-making and incremental rationalization for all of the wrong ones.

Jo Crain

Canova is in the list of the “100” on the revolutionary web site. Perhaps Sanders is leaving it to them to carry the day and he can have “clean hands” in dealing with Schumer et al.

Spring Texan

I don’t think he “hung Canova out to dry”. Canova is far from perfect (e.g. on Israel/occupied territories) and he is not likely to win this primary (even though I’ll be overjoyed if he does). I think Bernie correctly did better to focus on others. He can’t mention everyone and he’s done a ton for Canova.

orlbucfan

Canova is not perfect, but he’s a million Xs better than Shitzwoman. That district is very heavily Jewish. Anyone running has to be careful regarding Israel, hate to say.

belle de jour

I’ll repeat my answer above:

Bernie’s silence – especially considering DWS’ behavior, considering the rapid withdrawal of support by Bernie secondaries to Canova last week, and especially considering the list of candidates Bernie DID make particular mention of last night, at the launch occasion – spoke volumes.

It was absolutely a glaring, intentional omission.

gustogirl

It seems to me the big elephant missing in the room is the urgent and pressing need to unify dissatisfied voters around the same strategy for the election. I don’t care if it’s write in Bernie, vote Johnson, vote Jill, vote Trump – but we need to do something en masse as simply Americans fed up with the rigged system, not divided by party line.

Bernie sure has not taken the opportunity to lead us in that, nor has anyone else. I’d like to find the trend and follow it, but I fear the trend is “I give up”.

belle de jour

“It seems to me the big elephant missing in the room is the urgent and pressing need to unify dissatisfied voters around the same strategy for the election.”

Agreed! All the percent %%% there is!

“Bernie sure has not taken the opportunity to lead us in that…”

Bingo. But you’ll definitely continue to see a lot of people in denial about this blatant fact, though.

The schism with which I have personal experience is the divide between people who seem to need to have faith in Our Revolution™; who readily defend & forgive Bernie almost anything because of what he did and accomplished before caving, etc.; who are willing to take a “wait and see” stance about the domino sequence of co-option and compromises we are already witnessing dissipate the real strength of any revolutionary momentum we had… vs. people like myself.

I guess I was more radicalized than I thought by the events of the past year or so; but I will never accede that this going out with a whimper and an excuse and a resigned willingness to wait and see and a co-option + neutering by the democratic party is going to get the “en masse” job of bringing back American democracy job done.

Can only speak for myself, but I would never consider an “I give up” or “I won’t vote” stance. Yet I won’t fit in well at all with the patient people I described earlier here, either; and after enthusiastically working for Bernie only to see him cave, spectacularly, about the issues discussed before, I sure as hell don’t want to be part of Our Revolution™, or part of unexplained silence by the management of same, or part of the willingness to watch fellow progressives abused & silenced (Nina) without speaking up, or part of the willingness to give a very public pass on corruption (Hillary, DNC, DWS), or part of embarrassing horse trading for utterly meaningless ‘planks’ in a rotten democratic party platform, etc.

All that ^^^ is bullshit as usual – and no way to start fresh and seriously and principled and dedicated to dramatic (not incremental) change, imo. If nothing else, this past year or so has given me a pronounced allergy to bullshit as usual + refusing to see something for what it is, lol 🙂

The only alternative seems to be researching and working towards a larger movement (or series of protests and steps) that does not accept or try to work within the walls of one of our two corrupt, archaic parties, but in spite of both of them. In my view, that would not mean giving up on people within a party so much as challenging them to move beyond that party as well, see that party warts and all, and to act outside that party – when necessary – for the good of the overall organism.

NVPainter

There were eleven people at my meeting (it is a little town), and I already knew six of them, though I didn’t know they were all Bernie supporters. Apparently another friend of mine wanted to come, but couldn’t for some reason.

The youngest of us were in our mid-to-late fifties — it would have been nice to have had some millennials there! But a lot of people move here in retirement, so it’s not surprising.

Only three of us had gone to hear Bernie at rallies. Several of us talked about how we no longer get our news from MSM, because they simply don’t cover the real news — and pointed out how little coverage Bernie got, including when he had many thousands at rallies, and when he won Washington state with 71% of the vote. (Hello! Who in their right mind wouldn’t think that would be a story you’d want to cover???)

The TPP was roundly opposed by everyone. And people commented that he looked relaxed — and we were glad he may have had a chance to get a little R&R after all his hard work for so many months. We didn’t talk about meeting together again — but it’s a little town. Now that we know each other, we’re bound to see each other again.

Antennaria

There were 7 of us at the gathering I went to last night and other than the person that came with me, I don’t think any of us knew each other. I believe everyone that RSVP’d actually showed up! We were the youngest of the group in our early 40’s (I too wish a millennial or two would’ve joined us).

We all thought it was going to happen at 7 p.m. our time and it turned out to be 8 p.m., so we spent that hour talking to each other and discussing issues. I really had a lovely time spending this hour with fellow Bernie people (enjoyed this time more than the actual event that was broadcast). Most expressed wanting a tangible thing to do locally with the Bernie energy they still have. We passed around a sign-in sheet to collect names and email addresses so we could keep in touch and maybe organize some things together.

Our host talked about wanting to load her van up with water to bring to the Native Americans in North? Dakota that have had their water shut off by Homeland Security for protesting tar sands/fracking/pipeline. Several others said they’d be willing to join a trip like that.

I shared what we learned at the Brand New Congress meeting we went to earlier in the week: looking for nominations for U.S. House and Senate candidates for 2018 that will adhere to “the Bernie platform of issues” to endorse and fundraise for. Hoping for 400+ candidates that will result in 100-200+ getting elected in the November 2018 mid-terms.

Galtisalie

I was at a great meeting in the Deep South. Lots of potential for grassroots growing and nurturing of revolutionaries, which to me is always priority number one since revolutions of one are not very effective or fun. I didn’t see a post on this subject last night and ended up making a lot of comments over at caucus99percent to this post: http://caucus99percent.com/comment/161766#comment-161766

Galtisalie

BTW, I was surprised that the people at the meeting other than me were not aware of the Weaver/internal turf battle issue. Maybe that’s good and I left it alone; the discussion was all positive and forward looking.

pepprmp

Thanks magsview. Our meeting/viewing had 14 people all middle-aged +. Most of us cheered Bernie as he mentioned the issues. It was wonderful to hear him again and we loved it when he endorsed our ColoradoCare mission. We also noticed that he didn’t mention Canova and Grayson. I did read an explanation for the Canova omission here. I felt sad that he wouldn’t be leading “our revolution” but it didn’t seem to discourage the mood in the room. People were excited to continue and we talked about local stuff..got emails and ph 3’s….handed out fliers etc. I hope also Nina Turner gets involved.

polarbear4

Wow! Mine sounds similar to yours, but with more enthusiasm for the whole thing. Saw a couple of Hill supporters there (at least one I know genuinely supports the cause, the other may have been more our of interest or spying :)).
Lots of cheering (and booing) when issues were raised.

But yes, a yearn for the Bern, for sure. He did say he’d still be involved and i think he mentioned that he hopes to chair a committee? We pretty much agreed that he will likely listen to us re funding or give us a reason why.

One thing I know that I am looking for is a way to contact them via their website and asking that someone be hired to field questions, requests. Perhaps even a way to vote on certain things. Couldn’t find that or a search box last night and believe that is a must for a “bottom-up” org, as Bernie stressed last night.

Saturday morning meetings, here, too, which i will mostly be attending. A sign up table for more PCPs as we are going to try to pack the election assembly for those PCPs that will be choosing the next group of people to start backing, I believe, in Dec. Some PCPs are already meeting in Salem. I’m not really interested in traveling to Salem right now, but will see if we can work out some sort of getting a summary. If not, perhaps I’ll go. Lots of PCPs there.

Anyway, I’m still motivated and feel like this could be the overarching group we need to at least help keep us unified, and hopefully, draw back in many who have left politics altogether. Lots of Greens there, too, so it’s not seen as a Dem
thing.

Many older, but perhaps because we have a university and a community college, a good number of youth, several if not many who are considering running for various positions and are already in positions of leadership.

polarbear4

Just found out there were 120 there, and there was at least one other gathering, probably more.

Benny

While the launch was going on, I was at a Chicago (the band) concert, and it seemed so timely to hear “Dialogues 1 and 2” as I’ve always thought that song represented Bernie’s campaign.

I watched the recorded stream (located it on twitter, but thanks to someone from c99’s post) after looking at the reviews at c99. My initial reaction of the launch itself is that it was a rehash of the campaign. I think it would have been improved if he had taken some questions from the live stream (or have a mechanism for it), especially with the confusion of Weaver being on board and Claire Steinberg no longer with the organization, and with all of the hype, an agenda would have been helpful to lay out for those watching and who had donated.

To me, this was the organization that Bernie has been pushing for all along. He had said the message was more important than him, and it does not surprise me that he won’t be leading it. I hope Shannon can keep the trains running on time, but I suspect that is why Weaver was brought in, not to mention to retain Revolution Messaging for social media and e-mail push outs. I think I read that Jane is also not on the Board anymore, so someone experienced needed to be on it. I’m glad to see Cohen on it for sure. Let’s hope that Weaver won’t go overboard by finding billionaires to fund ads. Bernie pushed campaign finance reform pretty hard in the speech last night, so it’s a message to Weaver that it needs to be done via the grassroots.

Regarding Tim Canova, I’m not certain if the DNC is pulling the strings on Bernie or not. While it may appear that way, I’m wondering if there was a fall out altogether. Bernie’s folks were with Canova for two weeks, and suddenly, Canova said that they (Tad Devine and the ad team) didn’t offer anything fresh or new so they weren’t needed. I suspect it was not cheap advice and it would have cost Canova’s campaign more money for ads. Thus, I’m not quick to put the blame on the DNC/DLC types necessarily for Bernie to jockey for better positions just because of DWS. Canova’s campaign has gone pretty negative on DWS, and while she deserves much of the flack, she is well known in her district. Bernie did what he could in raising over $500K for him, that’s a lot of a cash for a Congressional race for a new contender. It’s too bad that Canova’s name was not mentioned last night, but neither was Paypal’s, only Zephyr Teachout’s was the most prominent on that list.

I do hope they stretch beyond the Democratic Party though, once 2016 election cycle is over. Bernie was the best hope to transform it, but that ain’t happening. He’s right though to try to get more progressives everywhere, and as someone else mentioned in the comments (either here or c99), it does need to be in local boards and state legislatures as eventually we need better people to run for Secretary of State and governor.

I hope Our Revolution will be a dialog and not just a competitor to PDA, DFA, Moveon, or OFA.

Are you optimistic
‘Bout the way things are going?
No, I nver ever think of it at all

Don’t you ever worry
When you see what’s going down?
No, I try to mind my business
That is no business at all

When it’s time to function
As a feeling human being
Will your Bachelor of Arts help you get by?

I hope to study further
A few more years or so
I also hope to keep a steady high

Will you try to change things
Use the power that you have
The power of a million new ideas?

What is this power you speak of
And this need for things to change?
I always thought that everything was fine

Don’t you feel repression
Just closing in around?
No, the campus here is very, very free

Does it make you angry
The way war is dragging on?
Well, I hope the President
Knows what he’s into, I don’t know

Don’t you ever see the starvation
In the city where you live
All the needless hunger
All the needless pain?

I haven’t been there lately
The country is so fine
But my neighbors don’t seem hungry
‘Cause they haven’t got the time

Thank you for the talk, you know
You really eased my mind
I was troubled by the shapes
Of things to come

Well, if you had my outlook
Your feelings would be numb
You’d always think that everything was fine

We can make it better
We can make it better

We can change the world now
We can change the world now

We can save the children
We can save the children

We can feed the world now
We can feed the world now

We can make it better
We can make it happen
We can save the children
We can make it happen

polarbear4

“Canova said that they (Tad Devine and the ad team) didn’t offer anything fresh or new so they weren’t needed.” Thanks for this news! I did not know that.

And funny–i was thinking so fondly of Chicago last night, hearing some horns on the radio. They and Blood, Sweat and Tears were a couple of my favorites and bring back good memories. Will look into a more recent album. Back to really read your comment.

Benny

I forgot, Russ Feingold too. I want Russ to be in the Senate too, but I think he’s getting quite a bit of help from DFA and DSCC.

wi59

Ill be patient and also wait to see where it goes, Considering Bernies age I feel he’s the best to do his work in congress with the time he has left. Maybe Nina or Zephyr will be the future leader of the movement. I’m not to wild about Weaver’s corporate money idea and it could be cause for alarm unless its unequivocally stated that any moneys given will NOT be in exchange for any legislation considerations of any kind. To my knowledge Ben & Jerry didn’t ask for anything. Bernie is right about one thing this has to be done from the ground up as ACCE(American City County Exchange ) ALEC’s sub group has a big head start on us at the local level. The other fight is with the MIC , IKE warned us about it when he left office that it was dangerous to our democratic process and would become a dark Govt if left unchecked (some say its already happened) It seems were about to elect the perfect puppet as president for the MIC. This scares me more than Trump or Putin

roonie

I went to the meeting. I’m in WNC where we went big for Bernie. About 40 showed up, most over 40-50, and only a couple in their 20’s.

It started at 9pm. 10pm was bedtime for this crowd. We sat in a darkened room watching the feed cheering and clapping along with our personal peeves and key issues. A lot of our crowd drifted out before it was over.

There was no discussion, no organizing, no community. It felt like a wasted opportunity. I could have stayed home and watched on the internet.

I’m in a holding pattern. I’ll see which way OR goes.. I was with Democracy for America in it’s early years and we had substantial meeting and accomplishments. Btw, they are supporting Canova which is rich since DFA is Howard Dean’s post-campaign “baby”, and now he is a Hillary surrogate.

roonie

I went to the meeting. I’m in WNC where we went big for Bernie. About 40 showed up, most over 40-50, and only a couple in their 20’s.

It started at 9pm. 10pm was bedtime for this crowd. We sat in a darkened room watching the feed cheering and clapping along with our personal peeves and key issues. A lot of our crowd drifted out before it was over.

There was no discussion, no organizing, no community. It felt like a wasted opportunity. I could have stayed home and watched on the internet.

I’m in a holding pattern. I’ll see which way OR goes. I’ll be active one way or another. I was with Democracy for America in it’s early years and we had substantial meeting and accomplishments. Btw, they are supporting Canova which is rich since DFA is Howard Dean’s post-campaign “baby”, and now he is a Hillary surrogate.

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