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Virus by the numbers: These 8 charts show you how, where the virus spreads

Lots of good data where you can hover over your state or county and get info


Don midwest
Don midwest

2 min video on how irresponsible Pence is to not immediately quarantine

murder of Americans is just fine with them

only 130,000 extra deaths because of Trump administration

so far

how many more so they can win the election

cult of death


Pence and the X-tian yahoos think god keeps them immune. What a sorryassed crew of stupid!


When we got to the courthouse yesterday to early vote, one person was leaving. We were in and out, and the only ones there at the time. Our truck was alone in the parking lot! The difference between rural and urban, I suppose.

Yet, down the street, the Church of Christ (what passes for a megachurch here in the boonies) was jam-packed, probably for a pro-Trump rally/prayer meeting. And yeah, they are fundies, not to be confused with the United Church of Christ (UCC) which is generally quite liberal. There isn’t a liberal church within a hundred miles that I know of.

The Lutherans had a marquee that said “Social distancing doesn’t apply to God”.

Walmart’s lot was packed (we only do curbside pickup – and I’m grateful for it!), as was the local sports bar/grill, the Dollar Tree, Dollar General, and the gas stations. And yet, we have some hotspots in the state deemed red, even by the WH. Our county is spiking. The governor says that we need to stay out of groups, wear masks, and social distance, but he won’t shut anything down. Oy, vey.


It is beyond sad. Bars around here are open. You talk about disease pits. These idiots figure they are immune either cos of god or booze, or a combination of the two. 🤓


Same as in Wi its profits over people, Funny though most eateries in Wi rely on us old folk for their incomes, at lot of us had “disposable” income and a lot of it is used on going out to eat and knocking back a few Olé Fashions with friends.A lot of us are staying home until this clears or a reliable vaccine is produced. I ran into a friend of mine the other day and unlike me he and his wife are retired. He said it doesn’t seem that bad(the virus) but then he finds out a friend of his got it and not doing well. He said this was a slap in the face and reminds him that this is a real problem yet and not to let his guard down.



The 100,000-member MLK Labor Council, an AFL-CIO regional body of labor groups representing more than 150 unions in the Seattle, Washington, area, passed a resolution Wednesday that calls for a general strike if President Donald Trump does not respect the outcome of the November 3 election.

“MLK Labor will call on to City and County governments to pledge to protect the protesters defending democracy and commit to not using police action or curfews to curtail these activities and to use all available resources to stand up against any effort by the Trump administration to steal the election,” the resolution states.

“MLK Labor, in collaboration with other labor and progressive forces, will take whatever nonviolent actions are necessary up to and including a general strike to protect our democracy, the Constitution, the law and our nation’s democratic traditions.”


In fact, he tells Truthout that he was contacted by an AFL-CIO regional director who asked him to join AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka on a call this week to discuss the possibility of the national executive committee adopting a position similar to what the Rochester resolution calls for.

In late September, Trumka said that labor should “stand ready to do our part to ensure [Trump’s] defeat in this election is followed by his removal from office.” A spokesperson for the AFL-CIO did not respond to Truthout’s request for comment on the national body’s consideration of a general strike or to confirm the planned call.

The AFL-CIO Constitution suggests the move is well within the executive committee’s purview and could even be argued as necessary to fulfill its Article II, Section 12 obligations, which instructs the federation:

“To protect the labor movement from any and all corrupt influences and from the undermining efforts of authoritarianism, totalitarianism, terrorism and all other forces that suppress individual liberties and freedom of association and oppose the basic principles of our democracy and of free and democratic unionism.”

Don midwest
Don midwest

I don’t give up on some things

Article today in The Intercept by an independent journalist. I sent her the Opus Dei information and asked her to follow up or to send out to any other journalist who might be interested.

The Independent Women’s Forum and its sister group have received millions from dark-money groups advancing conservative control of the courts.
Greta MoranGreta Moran
October 24 2020, 1:37 p.m.

Another article in The Intercept


SURVIVAL AND DENIAL: I Watched War Erupt in the Balkans. Here’s What I See in America Today.

Don midwest
Don midwest

The independent journalist Greta Moran has several of her stories on her home page.


There is so, so much good stuff out there and so many people are not informed. They could simply be overwhelmed and have gone into a safe spot to watch FOX or MSNBC over and over and read NYT, WA Post, etc. and tend their outrage.

Independent journalist writing about public health and climate change.



T and R, mags!!😊☮️👍 Thanks for today’s thread. I edited mine from yesterday just in case everyone was too busy today.😊



This piece was first post­ed at Jacobin.
Through­out Sep­tem­ber and Octo­ber, thou­sands of activists and union­ists from sev­en­ty coun­tries par­tic­i­pat­ed in the inter­na­tion­al ​“Strike School” orga­niz­ing train­ing led by Jane McAlevey and spon­sored by the Rosa Lux­em­burg Stiftung.
Jacobin​’s Eric Blanc spoke with McAlevey about the key lessons of the course, the rea­sons why this tra­di­tion has been mar­gin­al­ized with­in orga­nized labor, and the ways smart orga­niz­ing meth­ods can help rebuild work­ing-class pol­i­tics and trans­form unions today.
Can you talk about Strike School, who par­tic­i­pat­ed, and what its main pur­pose was?
JM: To be hon­est, we orga­nized Strike School part­ly in response to the increase of talk about strikes and gen­er­al strikes. A lot of peo­ple now are say­ing we need a gen­er­al strike, so it seemed like exact­ly the right time to dig into orga­niz­ing fun­da­men­tals and teach how to build to super­ma­jor­i­ty strikes — the kind that we need to stop the Right and turn things around for the work­ing class.
Strike School has turned into an impor­tant space for the past two months — it’s real­ly been some­thing to see this blos­som. There were thou­sands of par­tic­i­pants from sev­en­ty coun­tries, and all the train­ings and mate­ri­als are trans­lat­ed into Ara­bic, Span­ish, French, Por­tuguese, Hebrew, and Ger­man. It’s spon­sored by the Rosa Lux­em­burg Stiftung, which is beau­ti­ful — to be able to car­ry on Rosa’s name today and to keep the idea of strikes, big strikes, alive.
We designed the course to empha­size the fun­da­men­tals of orga­niz­ing — and linked these specif­i­cal­ly to how we devel­op strike-ready unions. But there are also a whole bunch of fan­tas­tic ten­ants’ rights and cli­mate orga­ni­za­tions involved, who are apply­ing these lessons to their work.
I get so many emails that I can’t keep up with, where peo­ple say, ​“I want to learn the stuff you write about.” I decid­ed one thing that I can do for those who can’t read the books — which is many peo­ple — is to part­ner with the Rosa Lux­em­burg Stiftung to get out there a cou­ple of times a year to teach like crazy. This time, for this Strike School, we required peo­ple to reg­is­ter as groups. Get­ting strike ready is not about indi­vid­u­als — it’s about peo­ple who can form orga­ni­za­tions togeth­er, even if they start small.
And if there’s one thing that unites Strike School, beyond its rad­i­cal pol­i­tics cen­tered around bot­tom-up change, it’s a com­mit­ment to build­ing a spe­cif­ic method of orga­niz­ing: struc­ture-based orga­niz­ing. Because it’s not just enough to fight. What our side needs is to fight back and win. And to do that, we need to learn and relearn the fun­da­men­tals of organizing.



The ongoing love affair between Sen. Bernie Sanders and his supporters was evident Saturday as Sanders stumped in Western Pennsylvania for former Vice President Joe Biden.

Although some Democrats said they still would rather see Sanders as their presidential candidate, they took Sanders’ advice to support Biden in an attempt to remove President Trump from the White House.

An energetic Sanders strode onto the stage about 4 p.m. during a drive-in car rally at the Carrie Blast Furnaces National Historic Landmark in Rankin.

His message was clear as he spoke for more than 30 minutes.

“Simply stated, this country — in fact, world — cannot tolerate four more years of Donald Trump,” he said to a cacophony of honking horns.

Biden’s campaign officials said more than 125 cars were permitted on the grounds for the rally. Many left their vehicles to stand and cheer when Sanders was introduced. Lt. Governor John Fetterman and Democratic state Reps. Sara Innamorato and Summer Lee also spoke during the hourlong event.

Sanders attacked Trump for his handling of the covid-19 pandemic, the current economic crisis and what he described as Trump’s anti-science attitude.

“Let us elect Joe, and let us begin the process of transforming this country and creating the nation we know we can become,” Sanders said.

His words weren’t lost on 18-year-old Kaitlyn Donaldson of Turtle Creek. This will be her first opportunity to vote in a presidential election. Sanders remains her first choice.

“I’m kind of settling,” she said of voting for Biden. “I feel like we have to pick the lesser of two evils, but we gotta get Trump out. He has to go.”

Vince Merringer, 33, of Indiana, Pa., had similar feelings. He was excited to hear Sanders speak.

“At this point, we just want to get Trump out,” Merringer said, “and I think Biden’s going to do a good job.”

Sanders chuckled at one point during his speech when he asked the crowd which candidate will be disciplined and responsible when dealing with the covid-19 pandemic.

“Bernie Sanders,” many screamed.

“Well,” Sanders said. “The answer is Joe Biden.”


I just cant “settle” for the lesser of two evils Stich anymore, Kaitlyn has many more elections in front of her and hopefully she wont have to have to have that choice like ive had way to many times in my voting life.


I voted for Howie and Angela. I voted libertarian for Senate, as that was the only alternative to Tom Cotton, and the dude seems like a good person who cares. I left the Congress Rep blank – only the R incumbent on the ballot. Also state senator. I’ve never done that before, but I can’t in good conscience vote for any more Rs. If my ballot is tossed, oh, well, but they give you to option of leaving unvoted contests, sooo…

Arkansas will go red. The amount of Trump signs, flags, etc., is mind-boggling. Many have multiple flags. It’s actually kind of terrifying.


The turnouts across country including places like the Dakotas, TN and KY, are very heavy. I have a feeling the same is going down in AK. So don’t totally lose faith.


Bernie in PA and Obama in Miami. The (D) unity is on full display. Some Progressives are not happy and why should we be happy. On the other hand….

if Happiness is the Truth as Pharrell sang to us and in this case happiness is removing a cancer that has been killing our country one norm, law and precedent at a time, a cancer who must be stopped, then maybe we need to find a way to be happy enough to get out and vote.

Now, to quote Stephen Colbert, “Nobody who knows Joe Biden’s voting record is voting for Joe because of that record.”


BO probably flew from his estate on the Vineyard to this event. That estate is so visually horribly ugly, looks like something gangbangers mark.


Their place looks… sterile. No personality at all. Just a showpiece.

I remember 2008 when people were weeping with joy as he accepted the nomination, because we believed he would make good changes. Well, he did – for himself and his own. But the rest of us are just where we were 12 years ago, or worse. Fuck Obama.


He was a Raygun fan and it was known in 2008. Called the fascist asshole gun in the West a great communicator. I saw that and paused mentally. I voted for the yahoo cos I despised the GOPukes.


I probably wasn’t paying a lot of attention. I supported Gravel in 2008, and I’m sure I didn’t vote for Obama in the primary. We got back from the primary, Feb 5, Super Tuesday, in the sunshine and near 80 weather. By nightfall, our house and half the city were either gone or in a shambles. It was the Super Tuesday tornado outbreak that played havoc across the South, especially Arkansas and Tennessee. Ours was an EF 4, and we were lucky to survive it. You can imagine that politics wasn’t much front and center for a while.


That’s good. Viewing Biden as chemo, LOL. OTOH, the Rs voting Biden are doing so BECAUSE of that record.

Don midwest
Don midwest

Have you noticed?

2017 was a long, long time ago

article in today’s NYT

Anne Washburn Just Wants Her Trump Play to Be Irrelevant
“Shipwreck,” a fantasia about white liberals and the president’s infamous dinner with James Comey, has been adapted into an audio play.

funny thing. It is in today’s Art section of NYT. Today is 10/25. I searched and found this same article with a date of 10/18. Oh well, ..

in any case here it is

it is a play about what was happening in 2017

it shows how long ago that was

Many of the play’s threads — even as it has been slightly revised, from its premiere at the Almeida Theater in London last year to its American debut at the Woolly Mammoth Theater in Washington this February — have remained in the national consciousness. Its conversations about activism and race seem eerily prescient.

And now “Shipwreck: A History Play About 2017” — still a chattering mirror of our moment’s too-muchness — is about to find its widest possible audience yet. In a change of programming prompted by the coronavirus pandemic, it has been adapted into an audio play, produced by the Public Theater and Woolly Mammoth, out now as a three-part podcast.

This version, replacing a canceled staging at the Public, was directed by Saheem Ali, who also oversaw the Woolly Mammoth production, as well as the Public’s first pandemic audio play, Shakespeare’s “Richard II.” When he first read “Shipwreck,” he said, he wasn’t entirely sure what to make of it “because of how so deeply theatrical and political it was.”

“How can these two things live side by side, with these ideas and this language?” he continued. “I feel it in my bones that there’s something urgent and astonishing about what she’s written.”

Don midwest
Don midwest

Artist portrayed Trump as president before the election.

Another article in today’s NYT but posted on line earlier. Earlier article has a better headline.

Casting a Critical Eye, From the Slaughterhouse to the White House
The artist Sue Coe proudly labels her own work propaganda, whether she’s taking on factory farming or current events.

Months before the 2016 presidential election, Sue Coe used her printmaking tools to create “It Can Happen Here,” a linocut caricature of Donald J. Trump as a howling tornado tearing the United States Constitution in two. “I watched Brexit,” said the 69-year-old artist, who was born in Britain and who has been based in New York for almost 50 years. “I knew he was going to get elected.”

Ms. Coe has been prescient about a lot of things in her searing social-political art. Her work can feel like a punch in the face or a call to action — or both.

“Sue Coe: It Can Happen Here,” a four-decade retrospective on view at Galerie St. Etienne in New York through Dec. 30, chronicles this country from the Reagan era to the time of Trump, all through the artist’s Marxist worldview. The show includes new prints made since quarantine in which she’s channeled her rage at the administration and its handling of the coronavirus.

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Don midwest

Don midwest
Don midwest

Glenn Greenwald tweeting about how the media holding back on its criticism of Joe Biden

yes, main stream and the two parties work hand in hand

and then this from Max who I trust


“So I figure that the PTB want trumpcorp gone so bad that they are not using the Hunter Byedone story and you dont hear much about it on the waepons of mass deception either.”

Once in a great great while i get ahead of the curve on something 🙂 as i posted the above comment a couple days ago. The weapons of mass decption buried the Reid rape story and Hunter Byedone story as fast as possible. If this was Bernie that had this trouble the coverage would’ve been relentless and the lead story on every news cycle. If an very average Joe like me can figure out their zest to bury the stories it tells me that the PTB want Trumpcorp gone no matter how bad the other candidate is…


depressing that the msm is so corrupt and so powerful.



Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said on Sunday that Democrats need to focus on winning the election before pushing for specific policies from a potential Joe Biden administration.

“I don’t want us to start counting our chickens before they hatch,” she said. “I think we need to focus on winning the White House period,” citing that the race remains close in several battleground states such as Florida, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

The New York progressive told CNN’s “State of the Union” that Democrats and young voters have to prioritize helping Democratic nominee Biden win the presidential election, saying it will be a “luxury” to be able to lobby a Democratic administration.

“We need to make sure that we win this White House,” she said. “Frankly, I think it would be privilege and would be a luxury for us to talk about what we would lobby Democratic and how we would push the next Democratic administration.”

Ocasio-Cortez said she thinks young voters are “disciplined,” “realistic” and “pragmatic” about their vote and will side with Biden.

“There is no question that Joe Biden is a much better person in that position to be receptive… than Donald Trump.”

She added it will be “critically important that the Biden administration appoint progressive leaders” when asked if Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) should be offered a cabinet position if Biden wins.


Byedone’s track record isn’t exactly inspiring.I would hope he makes me eat some humble pie but he owes way to many billionaires his soul so I have very low expectations of a possible Byedone presidency


They are assembling the lawyers for Election 2000. v2. Both sides. What these corrupt braindead idiots aren’t factoring in is the turnout down here. It is very heavy.


Pence is essential 🤪🤪🤪


Despite being considered a close contact with a top aide who tested positive for Covid-19 and began quarantining on Saturday, Vice President Mike Pence is still planning to maintain his travel and campaign schedule with the November election just over a week away—a decision medical experts denounced as potentially dangerous for Pence, those accompanying him, and the public.

The White House announced Saturday that Pence Chief of Staff Marc Short and at least three additional members of the vice president’s staff have tested positive for Covid-19, another outbreak within the Trump administration that comes weeks after the president, one of his top aides, and his press secretary contracted the virus. Two unnamed officials briefed on the matter told the New York Times that White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows attempted to keep news of the latest outbreak from going public.

Pence spokesperson Devin O’Malley said that both the vice president and his wife tested negative for Covid-19 on Saturday and “remain in good health.”

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines recommend that those who come into close contact with someone infected by the coronavirus “should stay home for 14 days… even if you test negative for Covid-19 or feel healthy.”

To justify keeping up the vice president’s travel plans—which are set to take him to North Carolina and Minnesota on Sunday following two stops in Florida on Saturday—Pence’s communications team pointed to the CDC’s guidelines for essential personnel.

“Critical infrastructure workers may be permitted to continue work following potential exposure to Covid-19,” the guidelines state, “provided they remain asymptomatic and additional precautions are implemented to protect them and the community.”

But public health experts rejected the notion that Pence’s campaigning amounts to essential activity. Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease expert at George Mason University, called Pence’s decision to maintain his aggressive travel schedule “grossly negligent.”

“It’s just an insult to everybody who has been working in public health and public health response,” Popescu told the Associated Press. “I also find it really harmful and disrespectful to the people going to the rally… He needs to be staying home 14 days. Campaign eve