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The vice-presidential debate actually matters this time

Not only are Vice President Pence and Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) as different as night and day politically, but also they present an inescapable demographic contrast between two Americas. Harris, of Jamaican and Indian descent, and Pence, quite possibly the Whitest man in the country, bring different life experiences and represent what many see as the future and the past.
Demographically, as well as politically, it seems the future is brown and female. America’s past, as pollsters and pundits never tire of reminding us, is White and male.
Should such things matter? Obviously, what matters most are character, intelligence, experience and beliefs, combined with temperament and those incalculable human qualities we’ve been missing these past four years — empathy, sincerity, warmth, wisdom, seriousness of purpose and, so important, humor. Self-deprecation, something we’ve seen in presidents going back generations, is a sign not only of confidence but also of humility. Donald Trump is the first president I can recall who clearly has no idea what I’m talking about.
While it is customary to evaluate whether a vice president is presidential material should circumstance warrant, such warranting is a serious matter this time around. Democratic nominee Joe Biden is 77 and, though it can be uncomfortable to discuss, is increasingly showing his age, even if he seems healthy and sharp most of the time. The number 80 looms large in any presidential calculus. Trump is 74 himself and, oh yes, currently is infected by a deadly virus.
Thus, the compelling questions: Does America consider Harris, who dropped out of the Democratic primary race early because of her weak standing, ready to be president of the United States at a moment of enormous uncertainty and upheaval? Her résumé, which includes serving as California’s attorney general and a U.S. senator, needs little buffing. Ironically, her prosecutorial record, in some ways, reads more conservative than the liberal, Black Lives Matter emissary she has become. Then again, voter volition is more complex than political biography.
For Pence, the test is different. What has he become after almost four years as one of Trump’s closest advisers and supporters — one who, protected by the Constitution, couldn’t be fired?
The vice president is no slouch either, as résumés go. Before joining the Trump team, he was governor of Indiana and a six-term member of the U.S. House. Most likely, however, the image most people likely conjure up of him now is silent sentinel over the president’s shoulder. He’s very much more than that, however. Newt Gingrich has said that Pence is, after Trump, one of the few people with the most policy influence in the administration.
When, just a few days ago, Pence seemed poised to take over the presidency (at least temporarily) when Trump fell ill with covid-19, the nation was suddenly forced to consider what that would be like. Given how things have gone these past days, perhaps they thought they could get used to it. On Monday, in one of his oddest performances to date (which is saying something), Trump stood at attention on the White House balcony and held a sustained military salute like something choreographed by Kim Jong Un’s propaganda machine. This signified — what? That the commander in chief, newly home from the hospital, was reporting for duty?
What to know about the 2020 presidential debates
In the same news cycle, a manic Trump irresponsibly and dangerously advised Americans not to fear covid-19.
So voters can be forgiven as they watch Wednesday’s debate and imagine a different future.
Is America ready, if not now, then perhaps in 2024, for a President Pence? A President Harris? At least there’s a solid chance people can form an opinion after tuning in. Unlike last week’s angry, incoherent presidential debate, which was anything but presidential, Pence and Harris can be expected to discuss the issues like normal politicians. There may be occasional barbs, but if you’re interested in how the two tickets’ policies differ, this is the one to watch.
For now, it seems that for a growing majority of voters, including in swing states the polls say are drifting toward the Democrats, a Harris administration would be better than a second Trump term. Yet, if Trump does make a comeback, it could be because of Harris. From my own reading of conservatives, many would happily vote for the familiar Biden but fear his potential succession by Harris, who they believe would turn the country hard to the left. A strong and credible performance by Harris on Wednesday could allay some of those fears.
In 2020, Joe Biden and Donald Trump may be the headliners, but, clearly, Kamala Harris and Mike Pence are far more than also-rans.

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— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) October 7, 2020

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Benny

A bar will be open later this evening. Save your tips for then. Cheers to the usual suspects.

wi62

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Mike Pence and Kamala Harris Face Off Tonight

Vice President Mike Pence and Democratic vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris will take the stage tonight in a high-stakes debate that will be the first and only between them. Less than a month from Election Day, the face-off will unfold in the context of President Donald Trump’s COVID-19 diagnosis, his experimental treatment, and his subsequent decisions to leave the hospital, risk the health of his staff, and play down the severity of a disease that has already left more than 210,000 Americans dead.
The debate is scheduled for 9 p.m. Eastern and will take place at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.
Pence’s presence on the debate stage has already been a source of controversy. The Vice President recently attended at least two events with people who were later diagnosed with COVID-19, then worked from home for a few days as more than a dozen White House associates tested positive. Pence has since tested negative at least twice, but even some members of his own party have argued that attending campaign events is an unnecessary risk, given Trump’s uncertain health and the VP’s status as next-in-command.
The Biden and Trump campaigns were reportedly arguing over stricter protocols as of Tuesday, the Washington Post reported. The two candidates are expected to stand several feet farther away from one another on the stage than originally planned, and were reportedly set to be separated by a wall of Plexiglass. But the Trump campaign was reportedly eschewing the need for such a screen. “We don’t have enough details on who is ill and who is not,” says Colleen Kraft, associate chief medical officer at Emory University Hospital, in an email to TIME, “but as long as the attendees are screened, or tested, and there is risk mitigation by spacing, this can proceed.”
Coronavirus is also likely to be a source of political conflict on stage. The Trump Administration’s response to the pandemic has already been a political weak spot for the President’s reelection effort. For months, a majority of Americans have disapproved of his Administration’s handling of the pandemic, which Pence has played a major role in as head of the White House’s coronavirus task force. A series of recent scandals in the wake of the President’s COVID-19 diagnosis — including the White House’s apparent lack of contact tracing and its dissembling over the President’s heath — have kept the Administration’s pandemic-related missteps in the news.
On the debate stage, Pence faces a series of uphill challenges. For one, he will likely be asked to portray the Administration’s unpopular response to COVID-19 in the best possible light, while simultaneously deflecting blame for its many blunders. For another, he will be asked to project stability, seriousness, and continuity of leadership at a time when the sitting President’s health is uncertain. Finally, audiences will be looking to the Vice President for both optimism and assurances that the Trump campaign, which has been trailing Biden by an average of about 9 points, remains viable.
“The stakes for Pence are momentous,” says Dan Eberhart, a Phoenix-based GOP donor, who framed the debate as the first presidential election debate of the 2024 cycle. “There’s never been a vice presidential debate that’s going to be as consequential as this one, with the President…just released from the hospital suffering from COVID-19 while the sitting Vice President debates as his potential successor.”
Eberhart says he was frustrated with Trump’s debate performance last week because the President doubled down on appealing to his base, rather than attempting to reach out to persuadable voters. He says he hopes Pence will strike a more serious tone.
Meanwhile, the expectations are high for Harris, too. A former prosecutor, Harris has in the past excelled in high-pressure public-speaking settings. Perhaps her most memorable moment during the primary was in attacking former Vice President Joe Biden over his record on busing — questions that she later struggled to answer herself. In the Senate, her deft questioning of people like Attorney General Bill Barr and now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh on the Senate Judiciary Committee burnished her reputation in the chamber.
After Biden tapped her as his running mate in August, Harris has largely stayed out of the spotlight except for her speech at the Democratic National Convention. If the bar is for a running mate to do no harm, Harris just has to continue doing what she has been doing.
But as the first Black woman to be a vice presidential candidate, Harris is also more likely to face unfair standards because of her identity. One recent comparative media analysis commissioned by TIME’S UP Now looked at coverage of Harris, Pence, and Senator Tim Kaine, the Democratic vice presidential pick in 2016, in the weeks surrounding the announcement of each of their additions to the presidential ticket. It found that about 25% of Harris coverage evoked racist or sexist tropes, and that coverage prioritized Harris’s family background over her career. When sexist gender descriptors came up in coverage, the analysis found they were “nearly exclusively derived from comments by President Trump.” It also found that the “Angry Black Woman” trope was the most common racist trope employed, driven by Trump’s characterizations of Harris.
As a result of these realities, experts suggest that Harris will have to perform more of a rhetorical balancing act than a white, male counterpart might. She is expected, for example, to have to maneuver more nimbly around the fact that Biden has cast himself as a transitional candidate, and may have to be careful in discussing the topic of the President’s ongoing illness. “It might make [Trump] a more sympathetic figure, but I think regardless of whether he had a COVID-19 diagnosis or not, there was likely to be some spin of her being too aggressive or that her questioning was problematic,” said LaFleur Stephens-Dougan, assistant professor of politics at Princeton University. “Damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t.”
Given the almost complete lack of substance in the first debate, some see an opportunity for Harris to refocus the conversation. “There’s going to have to be some policy in this actual debate, whereas the presidential debate was truly just a nightmare, right? It didn’t have rhyme or reason,” says Jasmine Sessoms, CEO of She Can Win, an organization that focuses on electing women to positions of power. Sessoms says that Harris could bring up the pandemic response, health care and economic equality. “Anytime you’re on a national stage, debating the incumbent, the stakes are always higher,” she says. “I do believe that most people don’t expect much from the debate.”
Both campaigns are navigating quickly-shifting political ground. It wasn’t so long ago that the death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the leading story in American politics. Senate Republicans are planning to move forward with Judge Amy Coney Barrett as a replacement, which will soon make the Supreme Court the top story again.
Though voting is already underway in many places, there are about four weeks left until Nov. 3. Plenty of news cycles can squeeze onto that time frame.

wi62

How Much Would Trump’s Coronavirus Treatment Cost Most Americans?

President Donald Trump spent three days in the hospital. He arrived and left by helicopter. And he received multiple coronavirus tests, oxygen, steroids and an experimental antibody treatment.
For someone who isn’t president, that would cost more than $100,000 in the American health system. Patients could face significant surprise bills and medical debt even after health insurance paid its share.
The biggest financial risks would come not from the hospital stay but from the services provided elsewhere, including helicopter transit and repeated coronavirus testing.
Trump has praised the high quality of care he received at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, and has played down the risk of the virus. “Don’t be afraid of Covid,” Trump tweeted on Monday, before returning to the White House. “Don’t let it dominate your life.”
Across the country, patients have struggled with both the long-term health and financial effects of contracting coronavirus. Nearly half a million have been hospitalized. Routine tests can result in thousands of dollars in uncovered charges; hospitalized patients have received bills upward of $400,000.
Trump did not have to worry about the costs of his care, which are covered by the federal government. Most Americans, including many who carry health coverage, do worry about receiving medical care they cannot afford.
For some Americans, the bills could start mounting with frequent tests. Insurers are generally required to pay for those tests when physicians order them, but not when employers do.
The Trump administration made that clear in June, when it issued guidance stating that insurers do not have to pay for “testing conducted to screen for general workplace health and safety.” Instead, patients need to pay for that type of testing themselves. Some might be able to get free tests at public sites, and some employers may voluntarily cover the costs. Others could face significant medical debt from tests delivered at hospitals or urgent care centers.
COVID tests can be expensive. Although they typically cost $100, one emergency room in Texas has charged as much as $6,408 for a drive-through test. About 2.4% of coronavirus tests billed to insurers leave the patient responsible for some portion of payment, according to the health data firm Castlight. With 108 million tests performed in the United States, that could amount to millions of tests that leave patients responsible for some share of the cost.
Marta Bartan, who works as a hair colorist in New York City, needed a coronavirus test to return to her job this summer. She received a $1,394 bill from the hospital running the drive-through site where she was tested.
“I was so confused,” said Bartan, who is contesting the bill. “You go in to get a COVID test expecting it to be free. What could they have possibly charged me $1,400 for?”
The bills for the typical American would continue at the hospital, with the routine monitoring that any patient would receive and the drugs provided in the course of care.
Remdesivir, a new coronavirus treatment created by Gilead, costs $3,120 when purchased by private insurers and $2,340 with public programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
Trump also received an experimental antibody treatment from Regeneron. It’s currently available to clinical trial participants or to those granted a “compassionate use” exemption. In either situation, the drug would typically be provided to the patient at no charge. This will most likely change, however, when the treatment finishes trials and hits the commercial market. These types of drugs are hard to manufacture, and other monoclonal antibodies cost thousands of dollars.
Health economists are only starting to understand the full costs of coronavirus treatment, just as scientists are mapping out how the disease works and spreads. They do have some early estimates: The median charge for a coronavirus hospitalization for a patient over 60 is $61,912, according to a claims database, FAIR Health
That figure includes any medical care during the hospital stay, such as an emergency room visit that led to admission or drugs provided by the hospital.
For insured patients, that price would typically be negotiated lower by their health plan. FAIR Health estimates that the median amount paid is $31,575. That amount, like most things in American health care, varies significantly from one patient to another.
In the FAIR Health data on coronavirus patients over 60, one-quarter face charges less than $26,821 for their hospital stay. Another quarter face charges higher than $193,149, in part because of longer stays.
Many, but not all, health insurers have said they will not apply copayments or deductibles to patients’ coronavirus hospital stays, which could help shield patients from large bills.
Uninsured patients, however, could be stuck with the entire hospital charges and not receive any discounts. While the Trump administration did set up a fund to cover coronavirus testing and treatment costs for the uninsured, The New York Times has reported that some Americans without health insurance have received large bills for their hospital stays.
The biggest billing risk for a patient receiving treatment similar to Trump’s would probably come from helicopter rides to the hospital.
Air ambulances are expensive and often not in major health insurance plans’ networks. The median charge for an air ambulance is $38,770, according to a study in the journal Health Affairs published this year. When the helicopter trip is out of network — as about three-quarters of them are — patients are left with a median charge of $21,698 after the insurance payout.
Taking two helicopter rides, as Trump did, could plausibly result in more than $40,000 in medical debt for patients without access to their own aircraft (though of course most people do not leave the hospital by helicopter).
The financial consequences of a coronavirus hospitalization could be long-lasting, if a new Supreme Court challenge to the Affordable Care Act is successful. That case argues that all of Obamacare is unconstitutional, including the health law’s protections for preexisting conditions. The administration filed a brief in June supporting the challenge.
The Supreme Court hears that case on Nov. 10. If the challenge succeeds, COVID-19 could join a long list of preexisting conditions that would leave patients facing higher premiums or denials of coverage. In that case, coronavirus survivors could face a future in which their hospital stays increase their health costs for years to come

And you wonder why M4A is so popular with Americans Overall!!!!!

Benny

More than $750.

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/07/out-abundance-caution-says-bernie-sanders-we-should-expand-medicare-cover-everyone

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Wednesday said the U.S. federal government should expand Medicare to everyone in the nation “out of an abundance of caution”—repurposing a phrase White House officials used to explain President Donald Trump’s brief stay at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where he received a level of care that is systematically denied Americans who lack the means to pay for it.
New York Times reporter Sarah Kliff estimated Tuesday that Trump’s trip to and three-day stint at Walter Reed—which included a cocktail of experimental treatments and frequent testing—would have cost the typical American more than $100,000, not to mention “significant surprise bills and medical debt even after health insurance paid its share.”
“Mr. Trump did not have to worry about the costs of his care, which are covered by the federal government,” Kliff noted. “Most Americans, including many who carry health coverage, do worry about receiving medical care they cannot afford. For some Americans, the bills could start mounting with frequent tests. Insurers are generally required to pay for those tests when physicians order them, but not when employers do.”

orlbucfan

T and R, Ms. Benny!! 😊☮️👍 Will miss it as I’m up early anyway.😊🐶👍 I will check the Nest’s excellent commentariat for reviews. Got an email from the election office confirming receipt of my ballot.🗽🇺🇸👌

Benny

Excellent!

wi62

Benny

Had to update it pic.twitter.com/dlhVIZzyN2
— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) October 7, 2020

jcitybone

https://www.axios.com/trump-senior-citizens-joe-biden-polling-d7ba652a-021d-4f14-998c-275677c4b054.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

Something wild and unexpected unfolded in the second half of President Trump’s term, and now is accelerating: Elderly Americans, who helped elect him, have swung sharply against him.
Why it matters: National and state polls show a total Trump collapse among Americans 65 and older. If this chasm remains, it could help bring the whole Republican power structure down with Trump.
In what has been a 50-50ish nation, it’s stunning to see polling gaps this wide:
In a NBC/Wall Street Journal poll out Sunday, Joe Biden led Trump by 27 points among seniors (62% to 35%).
In a CNN/SSRS poll out yesterday, similar story — 21 points (60% to 39%).
This is a group Trump won by seven points in 2016.
The same gap shows up in state polling, including the critical battlegrounds of Florida and Pennsylvania.
The movement predates the virus. CNN polling guru Harry Enten notes that a year ago, Biden was up 11 points over Trump with seniors in a CNN poll.
The main pre-pandemic reasons were health care and his strength with women, Axios’ Alexi McCammond and Margaret Talev wrote in May.
Republicans believe the big reason for the current chasm is the coronavirus, which has hit seniors far harder than any age group. A former senior White House official who remains close to the team told Axios:
“[A] few of us screamed from the rooftops to them about in March. Who [cares] what anyone else thinks? If you can’t win seniors, you can’t win.”
“And, if you don’t take something that is killing old people seriously, you will lose seniors.”
Between the lines: More women vote than men. More women go to college than men. More women than ever are running for election and winning. And more women than ever are turning on Trump and the GOP.
The bottom line: Younger, white men alone do not a victory make. So the 65+ trend represents a clear and present danger to the vitality and viability of the GOP.

orlbucfan

Oh baloney! We heard the same bloviating when PBO won in 2008. It was the end of the GOPukes, etc., etc. They will always be alive and well as long as they have plenty of deluded religious nuts, racists, and rich yahoos who exploit the suckers.

jcitybone

Don’t tell the roommates. Refusing to take a test

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/06/doug-lamborn-colorado-congress-covid/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Two members of U.S. Rep. Doug Lamborn’s Washington, D.C., staff have tested positive for COVID-19, staffers of the Colorado Springs Republican confirmed to The Denver Post on Tuesday evening.
Meanwhile, Lamborn is back in Colorado attending fundraisers and refusing to take a test himself, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.
The highly contagious coronavirus has been spreading through the White House and Capitol at least since a Sept. 26 Rose Garden ceremony in which President Donald Trump announced Amy Coney Barrett as his Supreme Court nominee.
“The deputy chief of staff, who is also the legislative director, started feeling unwell sometime around Thursday or Friday and tested positive for COVID over the weekend,” one of Lamborn’s staffers told The Post.
Then, Lamborn’s military legislative assistant tested positive Tuesday, the source said.
“The chief of staff called and told us about the one positive case,” the source said. “Three or four more people are experiencing symptoms. … It was recommended that they not tell their roommates.”
The information was confirmed by a second Lamborn staff member.

Benny

Colorado is a cool state in general, but I seriously doubt a Dem would flip that particular seat. The Air Force Academy is in the Springs.

orlbucfan

Colorado Springs is a long time hot bed of the Religious Right.

Benny

Mr. Benny lived in the Springs when I first met him. He said he liked the bumper sticker which read.

Mr. Benny is not progressive in politics as I am, but even he could appreciate the humor in that one.

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Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

Tulsi apologizes to Ilhan.

polarbear4

she obviously should have asked her first. I do think it’s pretty weird that she went after her.

orlbucfan

Wonder if Gabbard being a Fundi Hindu had anything to do with it? Modi’s Fundi Hindu cults have attacked Muslims in India.

LieparDestin

wi62

Marquette Poll: Joe Biden maintains lead over Donald Trump in Wisconsin
Bill Glauber
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

President Donald Trump, left, and former Vice President Joe Biden, right
With less than a month to go before the Nov. 3 election, Democratic nominee Joe Biden maintained his lead over President Donald Trump in Wisconsin, according to Wednesday’s Marquette University Law School Poll.
Biden leads Trump by 46% to 41% among likely voters surveyed, a shade better than his 4-point advantage last month.
For the second poll in a row, Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen was backed by 4%.
“The big news is, not much changes,” poll director Charles Franklin said.
Biden has led Trump in Marquette’s head-to-head polls since May, with the lead fluctuating between 4 to 6 points.
Once again, the race reflects what has been remarkably stable public opinion despite major political and social events.
This latest survey comes during an avalanche of news, including the aftermath of the first presidential debate and Trump testing positive for COVID-19.
By a 2-to-1 margin, those surveyed said they believed Biden did the best in last week’s debate.
The poll of 805 registered voters was conducted Sept. 30 to Sunday, before and after the president’s positive test was announced. The margin of error for the full sample was plus or minus 4.2%
Three-hundred fifty-five people were interviewed after the president tested positive for COVID-19, Franklin said.
Of those surveyed in the smaller sample, 33% said they thought the president had a mild case of COVID-19, 13% thought it was a moderate case, while 11% thought it was serious or very serious. Thirty-seven percent said they were not sure how serious a case of COVID-19 the president contracted.
While 52% said both campaigns should stop holding in-person rallies, 67% said the debates should go forward.
For the first time, the poll surveyed how confident voters are with the major party running mates, Vice President Mike Pence and U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris of California.
Fifty-six percent said they were confident or somewhat confident that Pence could perform the duties of the president, while 45% said the same for Harris.
Views on the presidential contenders remain mixed.
Just 44% have a favorable view of Trump’s overall job performance, sliding to 41% for his performance on the coronavirus but rising to 51% for his handling of the economy.
While 48% have a favorable view of Biden, just 42% have a favorable view of the president.
Views on Supreme Court confirmation
On the nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court, 51% said the U.S. Senate should hold off confirmation until after the November election, while 44% said the vote should move forward before the election.
There were sharp partisan divisions, with 81% of Republicans supporting a pre-election vote, while 90% of Democrats say to wait until after the election.
There’s an increase in worry among people about catching the coronavirus. Twenty-seven percent said they’re very worried about becoming ill from the coronavirus, while 21% said they are not at all worried.
By a 72% to 26% margin the public favored the requirement to wear masks in public places.
The public is split on the pending return of Big Ten football, with 47% saying the conference and the University of Wisconsin should play football this fall, while 40% said they thought they should not play.
Democratic Gov. Tony Evers’ job approval stood at 52%, while it was at 56% for his handling of the pandemic.
More than half those surveyed said they intend to vote in person on Election Day. More than two-thirds of Republicans (69%) say they’ll cast their ballots in person, compared to 59% of independents and 39% of Democrats.
Nearly half of Democrats said they planned to vote absentee by mail.
And, a little more than a third of those surveyed say they have stopped talking politics with someone because of the presidential election.
A round of polling in recent days has shown strength for Biden nationally and in several key states.
After the first debate, Biden’s lead soared to 14 points over Trump in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll.
The New York Times-Siena College Poll found tighter races in the battleground states, with Biden leading Trump by 7 points in Pennsylvania and 5 points in Florida. Biden held a 6-point lead in Nevada and the race was essentially tied in Ohio.
VOTER GUIDE: Answers to your questions about the November election
Biden held a 9-point lead over the president in Michigan, according to a Detroit News/WDIV-TV poll.
Of course, the president has been behind in polls before and managed to win.
In an October 2016 Marquette poll, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton led Trump 44% to 37%, with Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson at 9% and Green Party candidate Jill Stein at 3%.
Trump narrowly won Wisconsin in November 2016 and claimed the White House.

I find it interesting that the libertarian candidate was at 4%

Benny

Happy hour…

I’m having a Cran-Razz mocktail. Here’s a mojito.

orlbucfan

What is a Cran-Razz cocktail?😊

Benny

It’s a mocktail…meaning it doesn’t have any alcohol. It has Cran-Raspberry flavored seltzer mixed with Bai or Vitamin XX Zero sugar. Occasionally, I put in some CBD tonic as a mixer. But no CBD tonic today.

Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

I’ll drink to that.

orlbucfan

👍

Benny

Tip jar…

polarbear4

untouched.

Me high off my tits on the gas station dick pills, watching the roller dogs spin pic.twitter.com/pYXWt0PBJQ
— Billy Jarrett (@billyjarrettugh) October 7, 2020

polarbear4

I'm sure it's just coincidence that in a universe of qualified people for political appointments it's the same 100 people or so who have been continually rewarded with top positions for the last 40+ years. https://t.co/je0lEflZKu
— Polyamorous Tantric Sex Guru (@BethLynch2020) October 7, 2020

orlbucfan

What exactly is Podesta’s climate qualifications?

Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

His hatred of the Green New Deal

polarbear4

🤣boom

polarbear4

He’s in with the in crowd

wi62

Not much of a change from Trumpcorps people 🙁

polarbear4

https://twitter.com/bourgeoisalien/status/1313960299867893761?s=20

wi62

Presidnet Pelousy?🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮

Benny

gross. Not your comment,wi62. Behar’s comment.

polarbear4

i keep Thinking they’re going to get a clue. Maybe they know something we don’t know about how they are planning to make sure we never get power. Machines, for starters I suppose. msm.

but our numbers are growing.

wi62

Exactly Benny

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