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Benny

Bernie was on Stephane Ruhle’s show this AM. Here’a bite from it. Hopefully we can find a video as I didn’t see the show (I dislike Ruhle’s overdramatization of things)

Benny

Here’s the video:

magsview

I voted that up cuz it’s great to see Bernie, but NOW f’g MSNBC wants to hear about guaranteed health care?!!

Am so glad that Bernie didn’t use the word ‘access’ once, he talked about “guaranteed health care” and “health care is a human right” and “rich, poor… are entitled to health care”

Benny

California parents mostly disapprove of distance learning, poll finds

As most public and private school students in California continue to study from home, a majority of voters say the state’s schools are not prepared to offer high-quality distance learning, although they are more positive about their own local schools, according to a poll released Thursday.

Parents worry that if children are at home for the rest of the year, it will result in learning loss for all students, but especially for the most economically vulnerable who suffer from hunger or housing insecurity. Low-income parents, in particular, worry that prolonged distance learning will mean they won’t be able to get back to work, according to a poll commissioned by EdSource, a nonprofit education news organization.

The poll was conducted online between Aug. 29 and Sept. 7 by the FM3 Research polling firm and surveyed 834 registered voters. At the time of the poll, the school year had already begun for three-quarters of the 200 parents or guardians surveyed.

One major issue that has emerged since the pandemic upended education nationwide is how to motivate children when they aren’t in the classroom and don’t have in-person contact with teachers.

These concerns are shared by parents. Four out of five say the biggest challenge of distance learning is sustaining their children’s interest to study. Parents also worry about insufficient instructional time with a teacher and say it’s hard for children to work on their own, as well as understand assignments.

“Many times, my granddaughter comes to my room to have a conversation,” said Anita Flemington, whose granddaughter attends school at the Pasadena Unified School District. “I ask her, ‘Are you on break?,’ and she replies, ‘No.’”

Fully 75% of registered voters, including parents, say that distance learning is worse than in-class instruction. A major reason parents hold such a dim view of distance learning stems from their experience in the spring when districts quickly had to make the transition. Just over half of parents rated their child’s spring experience with distance learning as “not too effective” or “not at all effective.” Only 7% rated it as “very effective,” with another 27% rating it as “somewhat effective.”

One-third of parents were unable to cite anything positive about their experience with distance learning in the spring. As they brace for most children being at home this fall, the majority of parents say it will be difficult for them to manage distance learning for their child this year.

More than 70% worry about learning loss for all or most children, as well as the lack of social interaction with other children. The greatest concern, shared by 80% of poll participants, is the impact of learning loss on vulnerable children, including those experiencing hunger, homelessness or upheaval at home.

However, when it comes to their own schools, about half of parents say they feel their schools are prepared, compared with 40 percent who feel they are unprepared.

When asked about strategies they might use to help manage distance learning, for the most part, parents seem stumped. Nearly half of parents say they don’t know any strategies to help their children.

One in four parents say they are considering moving their child from public school to a private, parochial or charter school as a result of pandemic-related issues.

“I moved my 7th grader to a charter school, which is something I would never have considered pre-pandemic,” said Caryn Cherry, a Riverside Unified School District parent. “He was completely falling under the radar with distance learning.”

The poll also showed a majority of California voters support Gov. Gavin Newsom’s handling of education issues, including his executive order issued over the summer requiring distance learning in schools that are located in counties on the state’s COVID-19 monitoring list.

Two-thirds of voters support the governor on the distance learning issue, with 53% strongly supporting him and 29% opposing his stance. Parents give Newsom slightly lower ratings in his overall handling of education during the pandemic, and appear divided on their level of support, with 49% expressing approval and 47% disapproval.

This is an issue that requires a peace corp type of effort. Bandwith, more training on technology, and more support for content already created to go into our rural areas especially.

polarbear4

yes. Let’s start working on all the basics. On the families spoken of here. Their whole lives, our whole lives. We is them.

Don midwest
Don midwest

a failed state leader?

a s**t hole state?

welcome to the usa

Benny

Great, let’s blame the voters instead of a candidate lack of message other than I’m not Mitch.

wi62

I gotta disagree a bit, How many voters actually take the time to become even the slightest informed about a candidate? Most simply do one of two things vote for the letter behind the name or decide their vote on an attack ad. Some dont bother to vote at all.. So the voter is a part of the problem by not taking the time to be even slightly informed. Me if I lived in KY I would love to ask the turtle why during his time in office our state is so low in the above categories?

Benny

They pay attention when a particular issue affects them directly.

wi62

Yeah, it the getting hit in the head with a 2×4 syndrome around here. another good one is I didnt know he was going to do that as an excuse.

polarbear4

i hear you, and i sort of agree or i wouldn’t keep posting stuff i know people will avoid on FB, but as you keep digging down, it’s our whole system. it doesn’t encourage critical thinking at all, but nose to the grindstone, get yours first, be very afraid, and then maybe, maybe you can watch the MSDNC or FAUX news. No opportunity to thrive, which is when you can start making decisions from something other than fear.

orlbucfan

McGrath stinks. She favors the orange maggot and has already lost in earlier civic matchups. She really isn’t a choice over ole Beijing Mitch. That is saying something cos they don’t get anymore corrupt and far right than he is.

humphrey

I agree with the statistics in Don’s comment but the tweet loses credibility when this “Amy McGrath is an excellent candidate & would be the best US Senator Kentucky has had ” is included.

polarbear4

and i love Trump!

Don midwest
Don midwest

the Europeans were smart, and they had Science, and they had kept their Gods in check with secularism and they invented the state, so they were entitled to colonize the world

and attack all those who were not smart,

article today in WA PO

Trump is obsessed with smartness — just like the rest of us. That’s a mistake.

have most of you run into blue collar workers who were academically challenged, but were geniuses in what the do? and people who have a heart of gold but are not “smart”

Most of us don’t have much in common with President Trump. But when he lashed out after Joe Biden suggested he wasn’t smart in last week’s presidential debate, Trump reminded us that both we and he are stuck in what I call the Cult of Smart, a veneration of a narrow kind of intelligence.

Heavy on abstract and analytic reasoning, light on emotional understanding, this type of mental prowess is great for getting someone into Stanford and on to a job at Google. It’s far less useful when viewing the world as something other than a set of facts and statistics — and making the kind of choices a president faces. And it will take more than electing a University of Delaware graduate president to extricate ourselves from this cult and its consequences.

Trump is a long-standing member of the Cult of Smart. Whether he’s anointing himself a “very stable genius,” obsessing over his IQ and that of his allies and enemies, suggesting that his uncle’s Massachusetts Institute of Technology professorship means he has smart genes or name-dropping his alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School, Trump preaches the cult’s doctrine constantly.

… reading between the lines is a critique of capitalism

Dismantling the Cult of Smart will take more than getting rid of one terrible president. It will take a sea change in some of our most basic attitudes about human success. But if we use someone like Trump to hold a mirror up to ourselves and take care to catalogue all of the ways our obsession with schooling is destructive, big and small, we may just build the will necessary for real change.

The comments on this article are like an ink blot test of projections.
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There is a more general issue, namely, as I said at the start, a narrow rationality which we now see as endangering Gaia. The term for philosophy of knowledge is epistemology. Being smart is having knowledge.

Here is a short article on Bruno Latour’s critique of modernity which is about epistemology over the local knowledge say of a carpenter, and the resulting domination of abstractions. When global abstractions become the norm, fake news can circulate more easily because the larger frame allows them to be taken as “smart”, or something.

note to us “moderns”

“We have never been modern,” Bruno Latour announced in the title of his 1991 book. But what is the nature of this modernity that we have never been? And what does Latour’s understanding of modernity offer to those who feel that they are indeed modern, but don’t quite understand how or why?

oh, there is much to learn from indigenous folks?

To answer this question, we might first of all take a step back. Latour does not frame his definition of modernity in terms of a particular culture, sociology, or geography. What he has in mind is fundamentally epistemological. For Latour, there is no situation that can’t be explained by zooming in to the microscopic level. His strategy, then, is always to seek a more particular account of the world. “Details, please, always more details,” as he puts it in Reassembling the Social (2006). The moderns, by contrast, are those who remove their eye from the lens and prefer to subsume the plurality of the world under broad, generic categories. Famously for Latour these would include such apparently benign categories as “Nature,” “Society,” and “the Economy.” We might describe some physical occurrence as adhering to “the laws of Nature,” or we might analyze human behavior in terms of the “norms of the Social world,” or we might refer to the circulation of “Economic forces.” But in each case, the category is reductive of the concrete reality it is purporting to explain. The moderns, then, are those who exchange the complexity of the local for the simplicity of the global.

does this sentence relate to our current issues “the moderns are those who exchange the complexity of the local for the simplicity of the global”

We Have Always Never Been Modern

Don midwest
Don midwest

continued because of additional text

For most of my life, I have considered myself stupid. I set impossible standards to compare myself with top level people in many fields. My own learning disabilities and lack of self control were part of a deep self hatred. I have thought many times that working with my hands, with materials, was the only thing that kept me sane.

At the same time I was driven to understand what was essential. Early on I fell into the path of math, then later like John the Baptist, became an oracle for my hero at the time. You have seen my current hero here in my comments. He is Bruno Latour.

The comment I wrote a couple of days ago, and this one, are the result of the last dozen years or so trying to understand what is going on and what can be done. Part of a larger quest of over 50 years.

It has also taken me a long time to realize that when I bring up things that are at the cutting edge of my understanding, so I only repeat then, not embody them, almost no one can understand me.

So with that in mind, I continue with the article above

Of course, Latour suggests that “we have never actually been modern.” What he means is that our lived experience has never in fact corresponded with this separation, since our daily existences are subtended by a hybrid reality that cannot be erased. Just open a newspaper or switch on the TV—see how the complex issues we address every day transgress, exceed, and overflow the boundaries of the epistemological categories that are imposed upon them.

how many years has it taken to understand this paragraph? “epistemological categories that are imposed on them”

this is related to my quest to understand practice. Say the practice of a carpenter or my ongoing handy man projects. When the project is in hand, in the drawings, with the nut that will not go on the bolt, with the dust in my eyes, the local wins

the phrase just mentioned is how colonialization was justified

Benny

Stupid seems a bit harsh. Maybe ignorant? But you are not stupid!!!

wi62

Far from it DM, I would bet your a lot smarter than the average joe.

Benny

Agree. I really appreciate DMW’s philosophical approaches.

orlbucfan

Good grief, Don, you are NOT stupid! I grew up with half my immediate family being confirmed pragmatic geniuses, FWIW. The orange maggot is stupid and imbecilic. Just cos someone has a bunch of fancy degrees, does not make them smart, believe me. I have been around way too many of them!

Don midwest
Don midwest

a reply to the WA Post article

25 minutes ago
As a parent, and successful professional, I saw this “cult of smart” up close. All of our children were above average….not. Our kids got participation medals just for showing up. We modern parents became helicopter parents. In the 1950s I ran around the everglades in a motor boat, with no cell phone, and no map. “Just be home before dark”. Later as a manager I had to divide up my department into four bins for evaluation and pay raises. The bottom got nothing, and we’re lined up for layoff. if even a top tier person lost their task assignment, the bottom person got slayed off. I supervised about 50 layoffs during the last recession. I liked the author’s description of the Scandinavian system. Every time I’ve been to Europe and been to talks by German professors, I’ve heard this before. The social safety net keeps these societies together, hopefully, they have their dark sides too. They built these societies because of two terrible wars in the 20th century. But I feel we’re unraveling under this Libertarian idea, of forget the unfortunate, every person for them selves. We’re not going to lift a finger to deal with this pandemic. Meanwhile we’re going to dip into this corruption gravy; every person for themselves.
Likethumb_up

some moore

1 hour ago
This article manages to be anti-intellectual while trying to paint an anti-intellectual president as respecting intelligence.

The article should be about the uselessness of credentials as a barometer of intelligence or fitness to serve. Just a messy op-ed.
Likethumb_up4

i put this one in italics because it is a response to the one above Don M

1 hour ago
I don’t read it that way at all. I’ve in many instances seen very smart lawyers have avoidable losses because they just can’t read a room. I won’t even address the romantic lives of brainy people who despite neuroscience or astrophysics backgrounds have messy, miserable romantic relationships.
Likethumb_up1

1 hour ago
I guess you could say Trump is smart in some areas such as evasion, fraud, corruption, lying, deflection, cheating, hiring the worst people, etc. But he’s not smart in any ways that matter to be president. That’s why Americans continue to die unnecessarily every day.

as I said, the comments are an ink blot test

polarbear4

oh, Don, your intelligence seeps through every post. you probably don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.

and i’m with you, we are ALL intelligent is some ways and not others, and if we all had a chance to thrive from the very beginning of life, emotionally and spiritually, as well as physically, imagine the Eden we could be in! us hippies got one thing right–it’s an ideal worth progressing towards. Bruno is indeed a worthy hero.