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T and R, LD!! 🙂 Hope you and JD are getting set for a healthy Turkey Day.

Don midwest
Don midwest

Thom Hartmann @Thom_Hartmann 11/24/20

1/ Will Biden and the Democrats take on the biggest challenges of this generation? Tens of millions of Americans are going hungry right now. Today. But Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn, because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

2/ Almost 20 million Americans will lose all their unemployment benefits the week after Christmas, but Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn, because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

3/ Over 12 million Americans have Covid and millions of them will suffer long-term consequences like strokes, heart damage, dementia, and chronic fatigue, but Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

4/ Millions of young people have had their futures destroyed by the Trump Depression on top of their student loans, but Mitchell O’Connell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

5/ All of America is facing a climate crisis, from wildfires to derechos to hurricanes, droughts, and floods, but Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

6/ America’s CEOs and business fat-cats continue to outsource jobs to cheap labor countries, devastating the American working class, but Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

7/ Insurance companies aggressively promote privatized “Medicare Advantage“ plans that can leave seniors high and dry when seriously ill, but Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

8/ Pharmaceutical companies are ripping off Americans – we pay more than twice of any other developed country in the world – but Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

9/ Mining and drilling companies are ripping up and ruining our public lands, wild areas, and sacred Native American sites, but Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

10/ Trump tore thousands of refugee families apart and 666 little children are facing Christmas knowing they may never again see their parents again, but Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors

11/ Millions of Americans in red states will miss early, treatable cancer, diabetes and other diagnoses because their states refuse to expand Medicaid, but Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

12/ While China and Europe build world class high speed rail infrastructure, new hospitals and schools, and state of the art research facilities, America continues to crumble because Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

13/ Americans continue to live in fear of mass shootings as assault weapons of war proliferate and wannabe abusers and mass murderers can easily buy guns, but Mitch McConnell and senate Republicans don’t care because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

14/ Conservatives on the Supreme Court continue to gut union rights, environmental protections, civil rights, voting rights, and protections against big money owning our politicians, but they don’t give a damn because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

15/ America has gone from being “the land of the free“ to “the land where if you want to be free you have to be rich.“ We’ve been here before, and courageous politicians like FDR and LBJ took up the challenge and fight back against the rich predators.

16/ Conservative Republicans have done so much damage to this country over the past 40 years of neoliberal Reaganism. Step one is winning Georgia, and step two is pushing the new Biden administration to restore America with bold actions like the New Deal and the Great Society.

17/ As the monster leaves, the real work begins. The election was important, but restoring the American working class and rebuilding our nation over the objections of greedy billionaires and their Republican lapdogs will be the biggest challenge of this generation.


Well, all those things are true, but

but Mitch McConnell and senate Republicans don’t care because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors.

doesn’t begin to cover what’s really the story. RICH CONGRESSPEOPLE from both parties and both houses don’t care because they only exist to serve their billionaire donors. You can’t lay it all at the door of the GOP, no matter how bad they are, because the DNC is complicit.


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A lobbyist check would do it


The House Dems passed a $3.2 billion dollar COVID relief package months ago. The Republican Senate said no. That was reduced to $2.2 billion to try to get a deal. The Republican wouldn’t budge, offering only $500 million targeted to businesses and a poison pill employer immunity provision from COVID suits.

The parties are not remotely the same here. You can argue that Pelosi and the Dems did not bargain well during this crisis, but relief is being held up by Republicans and Republicans alone


That’s only one point out of how many? And a lot of the time I expect that Pelousy and Schumer actually expect their legislation to be held up, which is fine with them, but lets them blame someone else for it. Cynical? Yeah, I am. Comes from watching politics for a lot of years – from a leftward point of view.


I’m not buying the Pelousy we sent a bill to Moscow Mitch but he let it die. I think it time they get locked in the chamber and not let out till they have a bill, meals will consist of only Ramen noodles -3 times a day or something laced with ex-lax. put in a couple porta potties so they have no excuse to leave the room. This is outright asinine when 10s of millions of American’s are hurting due to the virus.


i’d like to see Biden saying a UBI will be in effect as soon as he gets in until it’s no longer needed.


Glad i waited to comment as i was going to blame the Neolibcons as well


Oh spare me. How about the other GOPuke Lite bunch aka Turd Way/DNC?

Don midwest
Don midwest

Obama is a scum bag

long article from Glenn Greenwald

He first learned about wikileaks from a NYT article in 2010 that the CIA was in love with Obama because he could be a smile face for the world to support ongoing US wars

Glenn puts this up because warmongers seem to be well placed in Biden’s cabinet to continue our wars.

Not sure worth it to read in detail because we folks here already know about Obama while far too many worship him. Similar to the crap about the NY crap guy Como.

A Long-Forgotten CIA Document From WikiLeaks Sheds Critical Light on Today’s U.S. Politics and Wars
The Agency knew that their best asset for selling their wars was Barack Obama — the same reason so many in the security state were eager to get rid of Donald Trump.


Jimmy Carter got involved with Habitat for Humanity. George Bush for the most part remained out of sight. Obama is duplicating the path of the Clintons. That is grifting to his hearts content.


Obama is a proud Reagan loving YUPPIE who hit a home run. He is a big fat zero compared to the X-tian Jimmy Carter.


Does he do ANYthing worthwhile? Even Bush paints some decent artworks. I actually like some of his work. All Obama does is flit around with his jet set rich pals and play golf. And gum up the works of progressives. I cannot stand the Obamas. They are as fake as the Kardashians.


If this clip is any indication, the writing in Obama’s book sounds…pretty bad


Well, to be fair, it’s probably a ghost writer. Famous politicians don’t usually write their own books.


Two advisers close to Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have taken to Twitter to praise President-elect Joe Biden’s secretary of state pick, Antony Blinken, following the administration’s official announcement on Monday.

“Solid choice,” Sanders’ 2020 campaign manager Faiz Shakir tweeted. “Leaders around the world will assume that when Blinken speaks, he speaks for Biden.”

Sanders’ foreign policy advisor for the campaign, Matt Duss, added Blinken “has the strong confidence of the president elect and the knowledge and experience for the important work of rebuilding US diplomacy.”

“It will also be a new a great thing to have a top diplomat who has regularly engaged with progressive grassroots,” Duss added.

Progressive lawmakers from “The Squad” also reacted to Blinken’s appointment.

Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., did not praise Blinken directly, but said Biden’s cabinet picks are “a capable team that has a one-in-a-generation opportunity to reorient our foreign policy toward justice.”

Meanwhile, Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., used the announcement to blast current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s recent statement that the U.S. is “committed to countering the Global [Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions] Campaign as a manifestation of anti-Semitism.”

“So long as [Blinken] doesn’t suppress my First Amendment right to speak out against [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu’s racist and inhumane policies, she wrote in response to Shakir. “The Palenstinian people deserve equality and justice.”

Despite the positive reception, Blinken has also faced criticism for his early support for the Iraq War and consulting firm West Exec Advisors.

Sanders himself has not publicly commented on the appointment.


Faiz and Duss have never been progressive favorites.


They are favorites of mine and I’m progressive. They are trusted advisers of Bernie so I guess he’s not a “progressive” favorite either?


I am not surprised by your backing them up.🤔🙄


And I’m “shocked” that you don’t. 🤔🙄

But back to Bernie, either he’s not a progressive favorite because how could he choose such terrible advisors or he is a progressive favorite but shows a terrible lack of judgment in the advisors he chooses, making him basically inept.


I think Bernie has a heart. I think Bernie has charisma. I think Bernie believes in people, and in giving them a fair shake. But, yeah, in some ways he IS inept. Either he didn’t want to win the election, really, or he (and his advisors) failed to see Obama and the DNC coming for him – again.

Maybe it’s the movement he wanted to energize more than he wanted the office. Who knows, really? He DID energize the movement, and now I hope it continues with or without him.

As to progressive and moderate, I guess you are a moderate progressive. I’m way past progressive, really. More like a leftist radical, LOL. Emma Goldman and Kropotkin are in my neighborhood on this. The only reason I’m not further left is that I do believe in private property ownership.

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yes, we will be bound to have disagreements. very different philosophies although we all believe in MMT and taking care of people instead of waging war, afaik.

it’s like Thanksgiving is supposed to be! i feel like i’m with family. maybe we should start cooking early and we can gnosh while we dish. or something. lol


i was in that red dot area when i took it


He may have made some bad choices. We’ll likely never know if he regrets any of them. Many, many on the left have never liked either of them.


He is inept. Running a worse campaign in 2020 when circumstances were more favorable than 2016 is flat-out inept.

Polarbear’s comment was not controversial. Faiz is frequently blamed for Bernie’s failure in 2020.


In some circles


I suggest your broaden your horizon. It is a big world out there,


Bernie has a problem recognizing people for what they are, sometimes. He is a good man, a mensch, and I think it is truly hard for him to realize that most of the people in politics and power, and those that aspire to it, are not like him at all. I suppose he chose Faiz for his skillset, but he didn’t look closely at his persona and beliefs.

As to you, JCB, I will reiterate that you are the Nest’s moderate. 😉 A lot of us are way, way left of you.


Bernie knows exactly what he’s doing. He is a politician who has operated out their in the real world for decades.

Speaking of the real world, perhaps I’m considered a “moderate” by some here, but I can assure you that I would be considered left/progressive by mostly everyone not here.


Faiz risked a lot by becoming Bernie’s campaign manager. Duss is very good at what he does. I stand by both of them, as I do by jcb and all of us here.


I will never be sold on Faiz. But, I am comparing 2016 campaign volunteering to 2020.


i didn’t take phatcat as not standing by jcb. just pointing out that we have differing beliefs. afaik, we all love jcb.

many of us do not stand by duss or faiz. and it’s not just here. there’s 2 sides to every story. one big grumpy family, with Biden in now.


Hey jcb: this is NOT an insult. Could you define ‘progressive’ and ‘moderate’? I have a feeling my Hubster is very similar to you.😊


Well since we are posting on theprogressivewing, I think we all can be considered progressives even if we don’t always agree on everything.


Agreed we may have different view points, but that keeps progressive’s on our toes


Posting here is eligible to anyone who has been has been achieved a membership. That does not ascertain that they are in fact progressive. That said you or without a doubt progressive with regards to social values issues. As far as other matters it is a subject of debate. Not that I am partaking in this argument in this moment.

But I am more than willing to have that discussion at any time that you desire.

I have been considered by some as ornery but I will not hide my feelings as long as I am allowed to participate here.


I call you ornery as a compliment. It means a clever rascal, Mr. Ornery.😊👍


Faiz is not one of my favorites. He did not help Bernie’s campaign, at least not in my area.


I don’t think anyone was going to be able to do much after everyone dropped out except Bernie and got behind ByDone.


word was faiz pushed that dropping out


I heard those same whispers. It would be interesting to hear from Briahna Gray as to why the Sanders campaign was caught off guard in not catching the candidates dropping out and all getting behind Biden, considering he (Biden) had not won one contest at that juncture and lost most of the debates.


I always considered Faiz a Trojan Horse, and I have not changed my mind one bit.


neither of us knows how trusted they are anymore.


Faiz Shakir is a DNC whatever who did not help Bernie’s campaign. I would like to read what Bernie actually thinks.


I wonder if their a final book from Bernie when he retires from congress ? May expose a few things we want to know about 2020 and after


i doubt he would ever dish something like that. he’s more likely to keep railing about m4a, the earth, wall st., the usual, if anything looks like this by then.


Faiz was more progressive than his former employers. I hope there is a place for him somewhere in the Biden Administration. Biden needs some other voices besides radical centrists.

Don midwest
Don midwest

An article by Marcy Wheeler about the need for a new American story to give coherence to our country at this time of a deep divide.

Marcy begins with a link to Quinn Norton, a journalist who was hired by NYT and fired before she began when NYT realized that she was too far left.

The article currently has 278 comments. Right at the start one of Marcy’s strongest supporters, an atty who I think has argued cases at US Supreme Court, says BS, BS, BS on Quinn Norton’s piece which is calling for a revolution. Not going to happen and how to pick up pieces with a new constitution.

Suggest reading the article and some of the comments

Here is the atty mentioned above. It goes on and on and shows major controversy which is an important argument to have.

And also scan through the comments to see how they go

November 22, 2020 at 9:28 am
I found Quinn’s piece not just objectionable, but disgusting. Did immediately then, and still do. She prattled on about how horrible the Constitution was, and how broken America is. She clearly demonstrated she has no clue really about the Constitution when she said:

“The flaw is our Constitution. As there is no politically possible path to rewriting the it, the Constitution can only fall further into entropy and catastrophe.”

Actually, there is exactly such a process, but neither she nor anybody else would like it. It is called a Constitutional Convention, and upon petition by at least 34 states, one could be called. Perchance this came up in the last thread. I’ll just copy my comment from there here:

“The last thing in the world you, or anybody else, should want is a “Constitutional Convention”. As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said:

link to Marcy’s article


I have mentioned Bruno Latour many times saying that the consequence of not having a common story is gigantic and not yet realized. I made a brief comment linking Latour. Right after my comment comes another stand alone comment

John Lehmansays:
November 23, 2020 at 8:27 pm
Great forum,…”from the clash of different opinions comes the spark of truth.”
Myth making? Isn’t myth making based on truths, semi-truths and fiction needed to support the spirit and pride of a nation or people?

Our country’s myth Is living….evolutionary and at times revolutionary….pieces and parts (true and false) added and subtracted as the country has grown and matured.
The material advances in communication, transportation and scientific knowledge achieved by humanity in the past two centuries are far beyond the wildest imaginations of our ancestors. Yet in spite of this, in the in the twentieth century we’ve had the two most horribly destructive wars in human history.

Born from these two apocalyptic events were first the League of Nations highly idealist but woefully weak, unable to significantly override any country’s will and ultimately perishing as irrelevant in the flames of WW2.

Second the more noble United Nations, a much stronger and diplomatically respected international institution given limited powers to help keep world peace.

The UN is being mentioned in this discussion as nomination for a possible inclusion to a revamp of our country’s myth.
After all the UN was born in San Francisco and convenes in New York City.
The point being, not excessive pride that we’re better than anyone else (America exceptionalism) but simply and proudly that we’ve provided the birth place (San Francisco) and physical shelter (New York City) where the UN can grow and develop peacefully.

Of coarse it’s going to take awhile for the knuckle draggers to accept this.


The FRighties led by Orrin Hatch, the Powell Memo crap, and other bullshit humans did their damndest to force a Constitutional Convention. They blew it cos they couldn’t gain control of enough state legislatures. They came damned close though. It needs to be updated. But this bunch of fascist extremists wanted to start off their Convention by eliminating the Bill of Rights.


We do NOT want to have a new ConCon. There are probably enough states in red hands to do it at this point, and the result would probably be a theocratic police state akin to Gilead. Except with moar gunz.


The day that the COVID-19 vaccines are approved for emergency use by the FDA—likely December 11, based on the timing of their meetings—will be a great triumph for science and public investment. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, for the first time based on messenger RNA, herald a new scientific breakthrough that could unlock a host of new therapies and palliatives. (AstraZeneca’s vaccine, which announced some positive results today, could also be approved in short order.) And the rapid timing from discovery of the virus to a vaccine, pushed along by public dollars and guarantees, should also become a model, though if we collaborated with the world instead of going it alone we would have dispensed the vaccine even faster and saved a lot of lives.

But these innovations, which will have wide-ranging effects into the future, collide with the near-term block and tackle of how you get a drug manufactured, stored, and shipped to every corner of the globe, to be administered, twice, to virtually everyone on the planet. At some point the science gives way to a logistics operation on a scale nobody has ever seen before. Compounding this difficulty is the fact that Joe Biden’s transition has no access to the vaccine data and is frozen out from the decision-making process.

The infrastructure we currently have for vaccine distribution is by definition weak, because the scale of what’s needed with this is so massive. The Vaccine for Children program provides something like 3 million shots a year. We need 600 million in a matter of a few months, just for the U.S. And the big, glaring problem is that, in our federal system, the primary role in actually getting the vaccine delivered to people goes to states and localities. And incredibly, there’s practically no money for this purpose right now.

Here is how this has been explained to me. There are 64 “jurisdictional immunization programs,” which includes 50 states, D.C., eight U.S. territories, and five large cities. They ask for an allocation and the government, through Operation Warp Speed, will fill that. But at that point it’s up to the jurisdictions to determine vaccination sites, transport the vaccine to those locations, and make sure there’s enough demand at each particular site so the vaccine doesn’t go to waste. Pfizer’s vaccine in particular has a short shelf life, just five days in a refrigerator, so it has to get out immediately once it reaches the last leg of the journey.

There’s also prioritization for who gets the initial supply of shots, staffing for how administers them and how the health system can integrate it, and just a mountain of other details. We already know about the freezers; many locations just don’t have this capability.

So how much money has been allocated for this, the largest logistical project in the history of mankind? $200 million. That’s all the jurisdictions have received thus far. Biden has promised $25 billion for vaccine distribution, but that’s tied up in the moribund stimulus talks. There may be some smart person devising some way to unlock emergency funding along the lines of what Trump did on the border wall, but at the moment, you need Congress to issue some dollars. “[W]e absolutely do not have enough to pull this off successfully,” said the state health officer of Mississippi to the New York Times.


I would start with every politician in the US and see what the side effects are, they can be the test rodents. I’ve got a few in WI and i’m sure Orl does as well


Given his reputation as an “egomaniac,” some raised the possibility that the swirling rumors about a potential cabinet role for Emanuel are coming from the former Chicago mayor himself, who did not hesitate to viciously attack denigrate progressives during his tenure as Obama’s chief of staff.

“I strongly suspect that Rahm is generating most of this copy himself, and team Biden is happy to have Rahm hanging out there so his other picks get less scrutiny,” tweeted The American Prospect’s David Dayen.

But no matter the source of the rumors and media reports, progressives are using their growing numbers in Congress to attempt to exert influence over Biden’s cabinet picks and establish that they will not quietly fall in line for nominees who are hostile to their popular policy agenda.

“Imagine thinking it’s ‘divisive’ to want someone other than the guy who covered up a murder to lead a department or agency,” said Rep.-elect Mondaire Jones (D-N.Y.).


The EU has thanked President-elect Joe Biden for his support after he warned Boris Johnson not to undermine the Good Friday Agreement in pursuit of a favourable Brexit deal.

Charles Michel, the president of the European Council, ‘thanked the President-elect for his clear support of the Withdrawal Agreement the EU concluded with the UK last year.’

It came after Biden publicly warned Boris Johnson in October that a UK-US trade deal was off the table if Boris Johnson undermined the Good Friday Agreement.

The EU has thanked President-elect Joe Biden for his support after he warned Boris Johnson against his plans to rip up parts of his Brexit deal with Europe.

Charles Michel, the president of the European Council, spoke with Biden by phone on Monday, according to a readout provided by the EU. During the phone call, Michel “thanked the President-elect for his clear support of the Withdrawal Agreement the EU concluded with the UK last year.”

“This agreement preserves peace and stability in Ireland and fully respects the Good Friday Agreement,” the readout added.

The statement came after Johnson announced a plan to pass a piece of legislation, called the Internal Market Bill, which would disapply some parts of the provisional Brexit deal struck between the UK and the EU last year. Parts of the Internal Market Bill, which Johnson is still trying to push through parliament, relate to the passage of goods between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

Ministers admitted the plan would break international law because it would involve breaking an international treaty. Biden’s tweet in October echoed the concerns of other senior Democrats, who warned that it could involve breaking the Good Friday Agreement, despite Downing Street’s insistence that it would not.

However, Biden, who spoke to Johnson for the first time earlier this month, used his call to remind Johnson twice of his commitments to Brexit in relation to Northern Ireland, according to reports.

While President Trump was an ardent supporter of the UK’s departure from the EU, Biden was firmly opposed to the idea. Antony Blinken, Biden’s secretary of state pick, last year called Brexit a “total mess.”

The president-elect in October also publicly warned Boris Johnson in October not to let the Good Friday Agreement become “a casualty of Brexit.” He also said that a UK-US trade deal was off the table if the UK government undermined the Good Friday Agreement.


Byedone is echoing what Botoxed Nancy has already warned Johnson about.


What makes Ledbetter so unusual is that Democrats have not similarly fought equally absurd yet consequential rulings from the Supreme Court, instead throwing their hands up in despair at the unfairness of a particular decision and then moving on.

But a joint review of dozens of Supreme Court cases by The Intercept and the American Prospect finds dozens of statutory rulings similar to Ledbetter’s that Congress could overturn simply by tweaking the statute to remove whatever ambiguity the court claimed to find in its text. Even where the court has ruled on constitutional grounds, there is often much room left to legislate the boundaries, just as conservatives have done in relation to Roe v. Wade and abortion restrictions. From salvaging the Voting Rights Act gutted by Shelby County v. Holder in 2013 to protecting workers’ free speech rights on the job or safeguarding reproductive rights, the list of cases awaiting a creative Congress runs long.

Overrides can be passed on an individual basis, as part of larger omnibus bills, or even tacked on to unrelated appropriations or debt ceiling bills. Even the Affordable Care Act, which is currently under judicial review yet again, could be rescued from the court’s clutches with a simple legislative tweak. Most of the legislation necessary to overturn these decisions is short: just a few lines to reinforce congressional intent in a way that the judiciary cannot distort it.

A demonstrator raises his fist outside of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., U.S., on Nov. 10, 2020.A demonstrator raises their fist outside of the U.S. Supreme Court in Washington, D.C., on Nov. 10, 2020. Photo: Amanda Andrade-Rhoades/Bloomberg via Getty Images
These statutory overrides offer a road map for progressives left paralyzed by the court’s new composition, with the installation of Amy Coney Barrett as a sixth conservative justice. Congress can place an important and ever-needed check from a co-equal branch on an increasingly conservative judiciary, which has not shied from defanging legislation, especially regulatory law. Just as the court sets the boundaries of congressional intent, Congress can move those boundaries.

Some observers, like University of California, Irvine law professor Rick Hasen, predict that judicial overrides would likely require near-unified control of Congress and the presidency, like Democrats had in 2009 when they passed the Lilly Ledbetter Act. In other words, whether Democrats retake the Senate following two Georgia runoffs in January could have a major impact on their ability to get judicial overrides through the legislative grinder, especially as many areas of once bipartisan lawmaking, particularly civil rights, have grown more polarized.


In order to override this bullshit far right Court, Progressives would have to control BOTH houses of Congress as well as the White House. These far right SOBs knew exactly what their goals were when they starting scheming in 1965.