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LieparDestin

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Sanders in a statement said the returns “show that our family has been very fortunate.”
“I consider paying more in taxes as my income rose to be both an obligation and an investment in our country,” he added. “I will continue to fight to make our tax system more progressive so that our country has the resources to guarantee the American Dream to all people.”

LieparDestin

The trolls on Twitter have so little to work with they complain about tax rates he paid but is campaigning to raise or resort to Jane smears.

Leu2500
Leu2500

It’s orchestrated. And I read somewhere today that posters on twitter are whiter & richer than the average American.

LieparDestin

Yes, much like facebook. The youngfolks are all doing their own things elsewhere, knowing what the big-corps are up to.

LieparDestin

Leu2500
Leu2500

Bernie has released his taxes. Hacker you from The NY Times: Bernie Sanders Released His Tax Returns. He’s Part of the 1%.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-taxes.html

WASHINGTON — Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont disclosed 10 years of tax returns on Monday, providing a more detailed look at his finances than he offered when he ran for president in 2016.

The returns show that Mr. Sanders’s earnings shot up after his last presidential bid, when he built up a vast national following. His income topped $1 million in 2016 and 2017 as proceeds from books drove up his earnings.

Mr. Sanders and his wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, had an adjusted gross income of $561,293 in 2018, according to their most recent tax return. Mr. Sanders had about $393,000 in book income last year, and he and his wife reported giving $18,950 to charity.

Their federal taxes came to $145,840, for an effective federal tax rate of 26 percent.

Mr. Sanders’s income puts him within the top 1 percent of taxpayers, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service.
“These tax returns show that our family has been fortunate,” Mr. Sanders said in a statement. “I am very grateful for that, as I grew up in a family that lived paycheck to paycheck and I know the stress of economic insecurity.”

jcitybone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-and-his-wife-earned-17-million-in-last-two-years-returns-show/2019/04/15/442d02a4-5f84-11e9-87b8-3f2ec40cd81c_story.html?utm_term=.002a2aa71c99

Daniel Shaviro, a New York University School of Law professor of taxation, who examined the 2018 return at the request of The Post, said the return was straightforward.

“He didn’t do a whole lot, economically or tax-wise, other than earn his Senate salary, Social Security income, and book royalties, as well as paying state and local taxes and giving about $19,000 to charity,” Shaviro said. “This clearly is not the tax return of someone who does either a lot of tax planning or complex investing.”

bernin
bernin

Pretty cool to see Bernie say “Healthcare is a human right” and get a big applause from an audience on Fox! I hope some minds can be opened tonight.

PS, I don’t have cable so I’m watching it on this YouTube stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ANYjJd6r4

bernin
bernin

OK, that just went down, maybe this is a better stream: https://www.twitch.tv/sanders_for_president

LieparDestin

LieparDestin

Thanks @humphrey, good to see you! Hope you dont mind that I added a stream to the body of the post!

jcitybone

I liked his suggestion to follow him around on the campaign trail if you think he’s too old to be president.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Here’s one reporter’s tale of following Bernie in 2016. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/reporters-notebook-year-bernie-sanders/story?id=40534390

Over the next twelve months, I spent about 270 days on the road with the Vermont senator, covered more than 465 events and traveled to 45 states following his campaign. During that time, I saw a small, driven team capitalize on the energy, creativity and frustration of progressives around the country and build one of the most successful insurgent campaigns in modern American history.

orlbucfan

I liked Nina’s tweet with the shoe emojis. 🙂

LieparDestin

Fox may end up regretting this invitation. The crowd doesnt necessarily seem stacked against him, though the questions may be.

LieparDestin

Lol, just got owned on the ‘would you be willing to lose your insurance for Sanders’ system’ and the entire room pretty much raised their hands. lmao!!!

polarbear4

I’m watching Fox News! Muhahaha

“I guess the president watches your network a little bit, right? Hey, President trump, my wife and I just released 10 yrs. please do the same.” –@People4Bernie

Crowd cheers and claps loudly. #BernieFoxTownHall #Bernie2020 pic.twitter.com/URqtzZrUt2

— loopy stands with Ilhan Omar (@Pa1Lauren) April 15, 2019

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polarbear4

Good to see you, humphrey. Thanks!

jcitybone

Meteor Blade’s comments from Subir’s diary at DK celebrating Bernie’s tax return release

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/15/1850553/-Bernie-Sanders-releases-10-years-of-tax-returns?utm_campaign=trending

Where are all mea culpas from the CTers who said before Sanders released these tax returns that he obviously was hiding something? Of course, Armando is still whining about the fact that Sanders is a (lately) millionaire.

jcitybone

Right now Bernie leads DK’s straw poll
Bernie 39
Buttigieg 22
Warren 12
Harris 9
Biden 5
O’Rourke 3

Last poll Bernie had 33 and Buttigieg 18. Warren had 12 but everyone else has gone down. What will Kos spin this time?

Leu2500
Leu2500

Bernie’s still not getting the 60-some % he got in 15/16, of course. Like he’s said in everyone of this year’s polls.

Leu2500
Leu2500

The producers are going to get chewed out for not screening the audience. Who let all these lefties in? (/s)

polarbear4

I bet they lied and some pre-interview. LOL

LieparDestin

I agree with David pakman that this was the best townhall of any candidate on any network for pretty much any campaign ever.

polarbear4

Overall, nailed it.

Could have been stronger for Ilhan honestly it only would’ve helped him since he finally came out pretty strong for her by the end.

polarbear4

Bernie on #FoxNewsTownHall showing the way to beat Trump. His passion, urgency, clear-headed thinking, & indignation at the injustices that exist – are the way to bring Americans together & win. pic.twitter.com/rN7qRKU5yn

— James J. Zogby (@jjz1600) April 15, 2019

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jcitybone

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/15/18318063/bernie-sanders-town-hall-fox-news

Bernie Sanders’s Fox News town hall Monday night was the uncomfortable mashup you might expect. If Fox envisioned this as a clash of the ideological titans with Sanders representing “democratic socialism” and the Fox hosts representing capitalism, however, they may have underestimated how popular Sanders — and the Sanders platform — would be with the town hall audience.

After Sanders answered an audience question about why government-provided versus private-sector health care by outlining his health-care proposal, Baier decided to poll the audience about it, by asking people if they’d prefer it to their current, private-sector-provided health insurance. (That frame evokes Barack Obama’s famous promise that “If you like your healthcare, you can keep it” — something conservatives and Fox News frequently point to as a symbol of Obamacare’s broken promises.)

The poll … did not go the way Baier appears to have thought it would.

Maybe this proves the central point of Sanders’ campaign rhetoric: that the American people writ large, not just progressive Democrats, really want the government to guarantee them a certain standard of living. Maybe it just proves that Sanders is a good politician who’s skilled at presenting his preferred policies in a way that sounds good to people. Either way, it’s a good illustration of why he’s a 2020 frontrunner.

polarbear4

Sanders says he's for the environment, yet his birth certificate is printed on PAPER that comes from TREES. Hypocrite much, Bernie?#Bernie2020 https://t.co/1llFuETlgv

— Climate Clock 🇸🇴#IStandWithIlhan🇸🇩 (@Tav_assoli) April 16, 2019

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jcitybone

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-gets-support-for-medicare-for-all-proposal-from-fox-news-audience-000818996.html

Approximately the same number of people, many of them cheering loudly, raised a hand again, apparently surprising Baier, who added, “There’s 180 million people on private insurance, and they would be lost, right?”

“Fair, question,” Sanders responded. “I know it’s what the right wing throws out, so let me answer it, alright? Millions of people every single year lose their health insurance, you know why? They get fired or they quit and they go to another employer. I was a mayor for eight years and you know what I did, what probably every mayor in America does, is you look around for the best insurance, the most cost-effective insurance. You change insurance. Every year, millions of workers wake up in the morning and their employer has changed the insurance that they have. Maybe they liked the doctors, people are nodding their heads, ok. This is not new, every year. Now, what we’re talking about actually is stability. That when you have a Medicare for All it is there now and will be there in the future.”

The audience again cheered what Sanders had proposed, and the Vermont senator’s campaign wasted little time in posting the exchange to social media.

Raise your hand if you're sick and tired of your private health insurance company. We need Medicare for All. #BernieTownHall pic.twitter.com/3euHRCjqn9

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 15, 2019

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jcitybone

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439027-sanders-townhall-audience-cheers-after-fox-news-host-asks-if-theyd-support

The audience at a Fox News town hall erupted in cheers and applause when asked by moderator Bret Baier if they would support Sen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) “Medicare For all” proposal.

“I want to ask the audience a question here, a show of hands… how many are willing to transition to what the senator says: a government-run system?” Baier asked before the crowd burst into cheers.

The video of Sanders on Fox quickly gained attention online Monday, with many pointing to the applause and past polling as examples of support among even conservatives for Medicare for All.

LieparDestin

test:

polarbear4

Did you say Bernie? pic.twitter.com/PvF2Ir7JnZ

— Barb Meier ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ (@BarbMeier2) April 16, 2019

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Leu2500
Leu2500

Yeah! Bernie’s website has an issues page. (What took so long?) https://berniesanders.com/issues/

And his tax returns. https://berniesanders.com/tax-returns/

polarbear4

It's true.

And again, when Democratic Party leaders like @SpeakerPelosi continue to troll their own young leaders like @AOC – Conservatives see that as full permission that these leaders are fair game – and proceed to pile on in excess. https://t.co/smLCcIeBrJ

— Shaun King (@shaunking) April 15, 2019

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polarbear4

Tell me again about how we need to compromise on Medicare-for-all to win the conservative voters.https://t.co/5wkeutQ9p5

— Saikat Chakrabarti (@saikatc) April 16, 2019

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polarbear4

PART 1 of Bernie's FOX News town hall this evening! 🔥🔥🔥https://t.co/4oMFCuPk17#Bernie2020 #FeelTheBern2020

— Leftward Swing 🌹🌻 (@LeftwardSwing) April 16, 2019

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polarbear4

PART 2 of Bernie's FOX News town hall this evening! 🥰🔥❤️https://t.co/KwpTXGHva8#Bernie2020 #FeelTheBern2020

— Leftward Swing 🌹🌻 (@LeftwardSwing) April 16, 2019

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polarbear4

What?

Holy crap this is a FOX poll! https://t.co/DNloS2eU4M

— Leftward Swing 🌹🌻 (@LeftwardSwing) April 15, 2019

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Leu2500
Leu2500

Box thinks Bernie son the town hall. https://www.vox.com/2019/4/15/18323347/bernie-sanders-town-hall-fox-news-bret-baier

It’s apparent that Fox didn’t stack the town hall with conservatives or people who hated Bernie Sanders; while the first questioner was a student organizer with the conservative youth organization Turning Point USA, the second was a progressive organizer who’d campaigned for Hillary Clinton.

But Baier and MacCallum’s questions were often rooted in the conservative assumptions that a stereotypical Fox News viewer might have: that cutting the defense budget would “send a message” to other countries that the United States is weak, or that migrant asylum seekers “have to go somewhere” because there’s no room for them in border communities (and therefore, implicitly, that they should go to sanctuary cities). Sometimes, Sanders simply dodged them without any newsworthy gaffes or saying anything that Democratic primary voters might disagree with.

Sometimes, he fired right back and challenged the question. “Why are you so shocked by that?” he challenged MacCallum during a back-and-forth about paying for his health care proposal. When Baier characterized Sanders as a “staunch supporter of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar” during what was supposed to be a 15-second “lightning round,” Sanders spent at least 15 seconds rejecting the premise — “Hold it, hold it, hold it. I’ve talked to her about twice in my life” — before affirming that he supported the right of a “Muslim member of Congress not to be attacked every single day in outrageous, racist remarks.”

By the end of the town hall, audience members were booing the occasional Baier or MacCallum follow-up, even doing call-and-response with Sanders.

Maybe this proved the central point of Sanders’ campaign rhetoric: that the American people writ large, not just progressive Democrats, really do want the government to guarantee them a certain standard of living. Maybe it just proved that Sanders is a good politician who’s skilled at presenting his preferred policies in a way that sounds good to people.

Either way, Sanders looked like a frontrunner — which, if you look at the polls, is exactly what he is. Sanders lags behind former Vice President Joe Biden in some polls, but Biden hasn’t yet officially declared his candidacy; if Biden somehow decides not to run, polling experts say Sanders could inherit a big chunk of his supporters, making him the prohibitive favorite.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Fox. Won.

Leu2500
Leu2500

One more try. Vox.

Leu2500
Leu2500

And Politico.

Sanders takes on Fox — and emerges triumphant
The Democratic front-runner ventured where his rivals haven’t dared, and notched an hour of positive publicity.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/bernie-sanders-millionaire-no-apology-1277009

Leu2500
Leu2500

And this.

In the days preceding the event, Sanders faced backlash from liberals who said he shouldn’t participate given the network’s nativist bent and cheerleading for President Donald Trump. But when it was over, Sanders had received an hour of positive exposure on the highest-rated cable channel — something none of his primary rivals have yet risked.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Fec filings are coming in. Huff post is tracking % of small donor Dollars The candidates report.

Here’s the percentage of money each major 2020 candidate drew from donations under $200:

@BernieSanders 84%
@ewarren 70%
@PeteButtigieg 64%
@KamalaHarris 37%
@amyklobuchar 35%
@JulianCastro 34%
@JayInslee 34%
@SenGillibrand 17%
@CoryBooker 16%
@Hickenlooper 10%
@JohnDelaney 0.6%

Leu2500
Leu2500

O’rourke is 59%

Leu2500
Leu2500

Morning consult poll

According to a new @MorningConsult poll, 18-29 year-old men and women are feeling the bern more than they are feeling any other candidate in the crowded field.

Poll: https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Political-Intelligence-4.15.19.pdf https://twitter.com/WaywardWinifred/status/1118016487942447106/photo/1

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