4/15 News Roundup and Open Thread The Progressive Wing Posted on April 15, 2020 by jcityboneApril 15, 2020 Bill McKibben argues that you should not vote Green in battleground states.
Noam Chomsky and Barbara Ehrenreich agree
The military will kick Trump out of the White House. There’s a reason they gave more to Bernie than anyone else.
weird that Chomsky would go there.
The idea of pushing Biden to the left is naive. He’s owned by the fossil fuel industry, big banks, big pharma and the whole one per cent. And so is the DNC. They are not going to be moved to the left by the Bernie movement they just crushed in the primary elections since super Tuesday. And if Biden and the DNC are all that’s protecting us from fascism, we’re in big trouble. There’s a lot of truth to all those jokes about Democrats not having a backbone. They seem quite eager to surrender our civil liberties already.
Is Bill McKibben mentioned in this article?
He wrote the first article
Thanks, I was a bit confused that he was the author of the NYMag piece. But I see that now.
RCV is something to consider, I agree with McK on that. Having said that, I am taking Chomsky’s advice: LEV also says that if you live in a safe state, you can vote (or not vote) your choice. I live in IL. And it will vote blue; Biden will get a leg up from the IL governor. I don’t have to vote for that part of the ticket, but certainly, I will lean in to see the ballot initiatives and down tix.
Yes on the one hand those of us who don’t live in battleground states are afterthoughts in the presidential election, but on the other hand, it gives us the freedom to cast a vote without possible repercussions.
I will be voting down ballot for sure. FL may pull a few surprises at the local level. Forget the national cretins. 😡
Why are we still helping the Democratic Party, again?
😁Not sure that tweet will be popular with some
Well Jen approved!
Brother, is Rubin (gag) a bad joke or what! (Barforama)
Bernie has so much empathy, it’s killing him, Warren. You liar.
Although, I have to say, if they were to switch her in at the last minute, she might get my vote.
i wake up thinking about these things and may want to take a long break in the near future.
Oh, I hope you will stay with us and at least attend some happy hours !
it’s all talk for now! lol. i will always be around, as long as the nest is here! ❤️ you all. 🦜🐻🌊🐚🐳💓🐻🦜
Good because we like reading your perspective!
The Snake has few to no principles.
what about this sexism?
“less bad” goes with either male or female
but going for their nuts
Well, that’s really all they’ve got.
Well, good for her. 🙂 phatkhat made the astute comment that she lived in such a solid red state that her vote wouldn’t make that much difference. i agree as I’m in a similar situation. I have never bought the lesser-of-2- evils horse manure. It feels great voting my conscience now.
jcb: you know NY politics like the back of your hand. Does Cuomo have the balls to actually cancel your primary? Even the crooks down here won’t do that.
I don’t know Cuomo
I don’t know NY state
But I do know the DNC
Thus, my hunch is that the primary will be cancelled
Don’t want the rabble to hear more of Bernie’s policies
Does a political party have that power in NY State?
States (particularly the executive branch) determine the time and place of elections. I believe there’s probably some statute that Cuomo can impose to make it happen.
That could be another reason Bernie completely cut out. But it does not make any sense to tell voters to vote for him because he wants the delegates for platform. I understand he wants to have some folks in place on the rules committee, but I think Bernie made a major mistake by endorsing only 5 days after he suspended.
Today, I will be changing my handle at twitter and dropping “Bernie is still on the ballot.”
I suspect Bernie is scolding his troops who do not see the benefit of a Biden presidency may have to do Bernie’s background in growing up around survivors of concentration camps, he is very worried about fascism and how it has reappeared via the GOP/Trump. I worry about BlueMAGA and how it also is becoming more authoritarian.
“ worry about BlueMAGA and how it also is becoming more authoritarian.”.
me too, sister. no resistance. 8 years. bloomberg, dimon, mckinsey boys, blackrock. these people will be busy and they’re sophisticated and will have the MSM, as well.
that sounds right about Bernie. plus he’s too close to the Dem leadership to maybe see the extent of the danger.
So what benefits does status quo Joe have for us Progressive’s?
1 He’s not Trumpcorp
2 See number 1
doesn’t cut it for me
he needs those delegates I wonder if he’s sorry that he dropped out so soon. We were all so willing to keep him going and instead he went with some Warren Democrats apparently
Language was added to the recently passed NYS budget bill giving powers to the Board of Elections to remove candidates from the presidential primary ballot who have suspended their campaigns. Neatly, that would leave Biden, uncontested, and they could just cancel the entire presidential primary altogether.
They might not do this though. There’s a good chance that part of the Bernie endorsement deal with Biden was an agreement to let the primaries go on—especially since Bernie explicitly mentioned in his endorsement that he would continue on the ballots and that people should vote for him so that he could amass delegates for the convention. There’s more of a downside to anger Bernie supporters by not letting them vote.
I haven’t heard anything more about cancelling the election since that one article a week ago.
Thanks for the info, gang.😊🕊I wondered about it cos even Bible Belt/Institutionally FRightwing corrupt Tallahassee won’t go there. We are on for August to finish the primary.
Biden can’t even have a conversation without a teleprompter. Lead? ROFLMAO. He’s a lying, racist, corrupt, rapist and industry shill, just like the one we already have. Maybe he isn’t quite as mean. But we will progress on down the road to climate apocalypse just as surely. And the poor will get poorer, and the rich richer. No medical care, no educational relief. Swell. Just. Swell.
The greens are usually on the ticket here, so I’ll vote for them, or a libertarian, or whoever is on the ticket besides Biden/Trump. Someone said on Twitter that Justin Amash, speaking of libertarians, was considering running against Trump as an independent. I wish he would. He’d take a fair amount of votes from Trump, I think. I like Amash. Don’t agree with him, but he has principles.
“decency” is playing nice within a morally bankrupt system
jfk would’ve taken it to the mat.
I’m not convinced JfK would, but his brother Bobby…yeah.
I can’t believe this tripe before my eyes. Rapist, go-vote-for-me-and-drop-dead Biden embodies a politics of decency?
What I see is a full-court press to unite behind this senile monster without demanding any change from him or his cohort. Not buying it.
Apologies Bernie but that’s a major load of
Bar is opening up a few minutes early. I think you might like one of these, w61.
I need about 3 straight shots of Jameson’s, please. Hold the coffee. 😀
Classic grafix! 🙂
Barf. There will be NO M4A, NO free college/loan forgiveness, and NO GND. No way, no how. Biden will be the puppet of the plutocracy. Period. We, the little People, are screwed.
Well, good, then they won’t miss my vote.
Eventhough Wi is a swing state the DNC wil survive with out my vote
Those aren’t nails, they’re talons! 🙂
I don’t know how women function with those… things. I certainly couldn’t. But, then, I doubt Cardi B knows how to change a light bulb, let alone the whole fixture. 😛
She’s a former stripper. She knows how to change a lightbulb. 🤣😂🕊
I do like the rapport between Bernie and Cardi.
He hardly “disavowed” Briahna. He made clear that what she is saying does not represent his position anymore because she is not his employee. He and she disagree. That’s ok. Briahna will be fine and has already secured a new job at Current Affairs. She’s smart and a good writer.
And it’s not “beneath” Bernie to continue to tell it as he sees it. He believes there is a difference between a Trump presidency/Republican Congress and a Biden presidency/Democratic Congress. That’s the choice we’re stuck with this fall.
I disagree with one part of your assertion, jcb. While technically she was going off the payroll, he did throw her under the bus. Having said that, Briahana said it was more about the dichotomy of his role: one as a candidate, the other is his full-time job as a senator. The latter is where he is functioning at the moment.
Once Bernie makes a decision, he normally sticks to it.
Yes. He certainly could have said how much he appreciates her or somesuch.
I’m not sure he realizes how many of us are deeply hurt by his not polling us and his early withdrawal and endorsement.
We really were the heart of the campaign and for him to sort of flip a switch over to the neoliberals is very hard for many.
Well, Our Revolution DID do a poll the day before he dropped out. Almost 87% wanted him to stay in. Obviously he feels that his decision is better than the group decision of thousands of his supporters. Maybe it is, but I feel pretty betrayed by the depth of his turnaround. He supported HER, but not with the same enthusiasm. Ugh.
And, like the rest of the DNC, there is NO mention of the rape allegations. Nor of Joe’s obvious failings, lies, and bad policy that fucked over a lot of working people.
AOC live on Politico:
Already missed the first 20 min. AOC says Biden has contacted her team. She said she’s not quite there on endorsing, but eventually.
Ocasio-Cortez trying to thread a needle right now. I don’t envy her position. She’s definitely trying to strike a pragmatic stance.This is probably the right play right now for her, but damn. I couldn’t do that, not with poll workers out there dying because Biden and his cronies insisted on there being an election.
How about… Rashida for VP. She’s old enough, and she’s native born. And she’s definitely progressive.
ByeDone would die of a stroke before he had the cajoles/class to choose her. Detroit needs her more.
Or Byedone’s donors suddenly don’t accept invitations to his fundraisers.
I love the “Coronavirus Updates” that focus exclusively on businesses, retailers, landlords, stores, etc. while never mentioning anything about the human effect. It’s all market effect. Does The NY Times ever mention that in the state that it calls home there is a human dying every 2 minutes? Every 2 minutes…..over 700 per day.
And BTW, did anyone notice that Congress is literally on paid vacation right now?!
Congress are clearly not “essential workers.”
I’m incensed about this as well. I was on a seminar this morning with a Democratic congressperson in attendance. They seemed like a decent human, but it was all I could do not to rake them over the coals, for abandoning their posts and leaving the country to the mercy of the President.
No shit. And how about Nancy Privilege Pelosi and her $20K plus freezers filled with $12/pint gourmet ice cream she was showing on TV while people wait hours in long lines at food banks to get some beans and rice.
NC commentariat had some choice comments about that.
Sure hasn’t hurt Amazon. They are up 20%. Bezos added several billion to his personal fortune. I am done with Amazon. I will just find it on eBay. A little more work, but it’s worth it.
young academic with a video and text
very strong Bernie supporter
Imagining a Gaian Reality After the Virus
He discusses the limitations of capitalism and marxism…
The above was posted on March 23
Today he posted this
I have concerns this person, if Biden wins, is the next SoS.
The “destruction of US credibility” has everything to do with the actions of Americans not Russians, and to a significant degree many in Power’s own circle.
Well, with her at State, and Flournoy as SecDef, we can count on all the budget being channeled into the Pentagon, with nothing left for the rest of us.
it’s over from Humphreys diary, from @donmidwest. made a tweet.
Gates pulls this WHO funding so he can brag about what a great, humane billionaire he is. Hey Billy, how about getting behind Medicare for All in your own country? No? Well, that sure smells like a overrated hypocrite to me. I don’t mind seeing good guys and gals finish first. Gates is anything but!🤮
Matt Stoller disagrees with Gates.
And a reply to Stoller. Dealing with foreign governments is complicated.
then we better start working on our own Intel in our own supply chains. Another reason I can’t.vbnmw
Wait. What???? Is this guy really that ignorant about China, Taiwan and Hong Kong, or is this a political tap-dance?