4/16/2021 Open Thread
Starting with the NYC Yang report:
The 2021 mayors race in miniature: a day in which Andrew Yang is mired in one controversy and Twitter outrage after another ends with a poll showing him expanding his lead over his rivals https://t.co/LHy0llJ2eW
— David Freedlander (@freedlander) April 16, 2021
Good morning.
I am posting the accompanying article and will leave the controversial issue right there for now.
The survey found Andrew Yang leading his opponents in every demographic. | Andrew Harnik/AP Photo
“Yang widens his lead in latest public poll as PAC forms to boost his candidacy
By SALLY GOLDENBERG 04/15/2021 08:44 PM EDT
With a little more than two months until New Yorkers head to the polls to pick the Democratic candidate for mayor, Andrew Yang is widening the gap over his second-place rival, Eric Adams.
A survey conducted by Data For Progress, a national think tank, found 26 percent of voters are supporting Yang’s candidacy — double the 13 percent who said they would support Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams. The news comes as several PACS are in the works to further assist Yang’s campaign.
The poll also found Yang leading Adams 25 to 22 percent among Black voters — a surprising number given the borough president’s political base in predominantly African-American parts of Brooklyn. Data For Progress polled 1,007 likely voters between March 21 and April 5 through web and text interviews, which would not necessarily capture the older New Yorkers Adams — a former police officer and state Senator — is counting on.
City Comptroller Scott Stringer, a career politician from Manhattan, captured 11 percent of those surveyed, and former City Hall attorney and MSNBC legal analyst Maya Wiley came in fourth at 10 percent. Every other candidate polled in single digits.
The survey, which was conducted in English, found Yang leading his opponents in every demographic: Women, men and voters who identify as Asian, Hispanic and white. He was also the top pick for people with and without college degrees.
Yang, who joined the race in January, has dominated nearly every news cycle with both controversy and creative campaigning. He relentlessly promotes New York City’s post-Covid comeback, proposing incentives for out-of-town commuters and emphasizing a desire to lure tourists back to the Big Apple. He took in a game at Yankee Stadium, promised a “key to the city” to the TurboVax creator and made a show of buying movie tickets with his wife when theaters reopened.
His breezy style and quasi-celebrity status has dwarfed the attention received by his opponents when they roll out their own endorsements and policy proposals.
The new findings, which were the compilation of several polls Data for Progress recently conducted, showed a widening lead for Yang. He was just 6 points ahead of Adams in a survey released last month by lobbying firm Fontas Advisors. That poll found half the electorate was undecided — a trend that Data for Progress backed up in a different, issue-based survey released earlier this week.
The poll found Yang also benefits from ranked-choice voting — a system that is debuting in city elections this year. Thirty-one percent named him their second choice pick, compared to 13 percent for Adams and Stringer and 11 percent for Wiley. Adams edged him out slightly in third-place picks with 15 percent compared to Yang’s 14 percent.
“There’s going to be lots of room for persuasion in this race, but it is very clear to me that Andrew Yang comes in in the strongest position,” said Sean McElwee, co-founder of Data for Progress.
McElwee’s firm also conducted a poll for Our City, a PAC that is fundraising to oppose Yang’s candidacy and elect someone more in line with its left-of-center policy agenda. That survey, which was not released with any candidate rankings, found wide support for a progressive agenda but these findings were a bit different.
Yang — who unsuccessfully ran for president on a “universal basic income” pledge — and Adams are not considered the progressive candidates in the race; earlier this week the left-leaning Working Families Party backed Stringer, former nonprofit CEO Dianne Morales and Wiley as its three picks.
“At the current moment, a ranked-choice system will not benefit progressives,” McElwee said. “Eric Adams seems to be the strongest in a head-to-head against Yang.”
But, he cautioned there is still time to change the course of the race, particularly since the only two candidates who have been running ads are polling in single digits — Wall Street executive Ray McGuire and former Obama and Bloomberg official Shaun Donovan. Each has a PAC spending on their behalf, though Donovan’s is causing problems for his traditional fundraising efforts.
“We’re 70 days out and no money has been spent,” McElwee said. “I think this race is going to come down to advertising and earned media.”
Thanks for the OT NYCVG.
You are certainly right that this is a controversial election.
I find this reporting from the POLITICO to be kind of lame.
They are relying on (parroting) opinion from the polling company’s founder
Sean McElwee.
I feel they should just report the results without so much of the the opinion.
I look forward to seeing how ranked choice voting plays out in this primary election.
So far, I am a fan of ranked choice voting after seeing how it has worked in Maine.
Let me confess to being confused about rank choice voting. I get that Progressives want it.
But here’s my thinking:
From Game of Thrones, Queen Cercei and her son Prince Joffrey—
“Mother, what is an enemy?” asks Joffrey.
“Anyone who isn’t us” answers his mother.
I will vote for my one preferred candidate. Unless and until I understand why I should do it differently.
Found this, in case it helps:
I think the Dem primaries would have been very interesting if ranked choice had been used in the past two presidential election primaries.
ty mags:o)
Thank you, mags.
I do not disagree. Plus, I cannot explain why I prefer to go all in.
Lol, and you don’t have to NYCVG! We just here in the nest sharing body warmth 😉
Below find a good explanation of how this system works in Maine.
https://ivn.us/2018/05/08/ranked-choice-voting-work/
Wi has some state legislators interested in this system, getting it by the Wi GQP is another story.
Better?
I don’t think any of us have an issue with an advocacy for Yang, but he’s not the only candidate. Yang certainly has done a good job in promoting himself. But had he not run for president, I’m not certain how popular he would be.
T and R, NYCVG, and the rest of the usual excellent TPW suspects!! ☮️😊👏 Many thanks for your excellent coverage of this NYC race. I wonder if polls with registered voters would follow these earlier polls?
will be staying tuned in.
Apropos
https://newrepublic.com/article/162060/andrew-yang-celebrity-politician
More about who’s running Yang’s campaign
https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/andrew-yangs-mayoral-campaign-being-run-lobbying-firm.html
Lobbying is simply craporate bribing. Nothing more and nothing less. 💩
X2700!!!!
Not such good press this week for Yang when combined with his giggling at the bitches comment.
https://gothamist.com/news/activists-are-not-photo-op-black-lives-matter-protesters-heckle-andrew-yang-during-bike-ride-daunte-wright
The media love affair with Yang sounds very similar to their swooning over tRump.
He would certainly be much less well known.
The race would be a lot closer without that presidential exposure of that i have no doubt
whether he is the man :o) or not, this is partly why they ran so many candidates. now all of them start any race with name recognition. i hope he is all that you hope for, @nycvg!
T&R NYCVG!
DSA Pro campaign helped flip Angus King, ME
Yea! He was an obstacle!
I honestly don’t know much about this Act, so googled and this is the first thing I found:
It’s amazing how the right phrases things. It’s no wonder people are not sure what to think sometimes!
https://spn.org/blog/the-pro-act/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIif_S_NmD8AIVC7SzCh1IHQGYEAAYASAAEgIsyfD_BwE
UPDATE:
That quote above was suspiciously cleverly written so I took a dive into its source, State Policy Network.
(There’s that ‘earned media’ thing you referred to JCitybone! A new one for me and now twice in one day)
So where does that link RealClearPolicy lead to?
=Real Clear Politics
wiki
All the right wing money buys clever propagandists and ever-expanding media outlets. I mean, how many people would feel suspicious about the slant on a story from ‘State Policy Network’??
It sounds so benign.
Don’t forget Obama made it even more legal for American media to use propaganda
Interesting. Thx mags.
I honestly don’t know much about this Act, so googled and this is the first thing I found:
It’s amazing how the right phrases things. It’s no wonder people are not sure what to think sometimes!
https://spn.org/blog/the-pro-act/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIif_S_NmD8AIVC7SzCh1IHQGYEAAYASAAEgIsyfD_BwE
UPDATE:
That quote above was suspiciously cleverly written so I took a dive into its source, State Policy Network.
(There’s that ‘earned media’ thing you referred to JCitybone! A new one for me and now twice in one day)
So where does that link RealClearPolicy lead to?
=Real Clear Politics
wiki
All the right wing money buys clever propagandists and ever-expanding media outlets. I mean, how many people would feel suspicious about the slant on a story from ‘State Policy Network’?? It sounds so benign.
i don’t see biden really changing this culture. prove me wrong, joe!
In the lyrics of a gangsta rap standard: fuk the police.
I learned this from my Uncle whom was a cop. He said its best to keep your mouth shut and wait for a lawyer.
smdh
The usual white collar criminal bullsh1t.
what????
https://twitter.com/jd_adler/status/1383083156362948610?s=20
smdh
Nothing in Floridumb? I’m shocked, simply shocked.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charles-booker-rand-paul/
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/16/john-fetterman-profile-2022-senate-politics-pennsylvania-481259
Fetterman has won races for mayor and Lt. governor. He needs to be taken very seriously.
more Politico propaganda brought to you by the DNC.
Bernie ‘lost’ the presidential nomination and thats about all. He’s arguably the most powerful membr of the Senate and is the most popular politician in the country. His ‘loss’ directly inspired AOCs candidacy and win. That in itself is a ‘win over the establishment’. Just one of many.
The dirty tricks against fetterman by dnc insiders will be coming soon.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/superfund-taxes_n_6078a871e4b09614f9b395b2
The Superfund backlog started with Bubba Clinton. tRump is just the sh1tty cherry on top.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-anti-transgender-laws
https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1382836149098483715?s=20
Brazil continues to be a disaster
can you say bol-so-na-ro?
<0.010%
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/gops-infrastructure-objection-is-a-plan-for-barebones-usa.html
“home-health aides and school buildings and all of these kinds of things.” lololol those pesky humans!
Bernie opened my eyes. WE is infrastructure. WE keep everything going and flowing.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/548551-biden-wins-over-skeptical-progressives
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/polls-show-biden-reaping-solid-approval-ratings-popular-policies-n1264273
Color me skeptical about SloMoJoe. Let’s see what happens with the MICC getting out of Afghanistan and their money trough being directed for fighting our real WWIII: climate change.
this is the problem with having to make him look better than he is. it will continue bc corpses and joe are like salt and pepper. and so another neolib will be president forever. trump is gone, but we will still give him way more credit than he deserves with the help of every think tank, pollster and the msm. yay joe.
Save me a seat in your skeptical boat!!! Provided that we dont do anything about climate then WWIII will break out for sure, it will be over the remaining natural resources earth has left to offer. If a nuke exchange happens due to lack of resources then it could be game over for mankind
“SloMojoe”
lol, you crack me up orl! 😀
But yes, let’s see where the “money trough” turns to next.
You are all entirely correct. We can be happy with the domestic policies but the more accurate picture is very bleak.
War and profit. By any means necessary.
Warren is not now and never has been a Progressive.
She’s more progressive than Cedric Redmond. 🙂
The zeal with which one of our regulars attacks Andrew Yang reminds me of DNC operatives who fainted when Bernie had a new coat.
This isn’t the Daily Kos, is it?
Stringer is a 60 year old born and bred DNC lifer. Read the wikipedia on Bella Abzug, his cousin whose seat he inherited. (More akin to Andrew Cuomo than anyone else. Born into the DNC, a sheltered pampered existence. and no other outside interests.)
Adams spent 30 years in law enforcement including 20 years NYPD and retired as a Captain. Oh, also several years as a (R.) Just like Clinton and Warren.
If our Yang attacker promoted or favored Dianne Morales, I could understand his frustration.
But the senseless stream of Bad Andrew is weird.
Yang is more akin to Bernie than the Media wants to recognize. He is a person of color. From a minority now being threatened, as we see in our daily news. He comes from an impoverished immigrant family. From Taiwan. His ideas are aspirational. A Progressive anti-poverty state, for example.
He has also worked tirelessly to promote Biden and Ossoff and Warnock in Georgia. 6 weeks on the ground in Georgia and largely credited with awakening the Asian vote there. Been a CNN analyst.
He is a lot more than the sniping going on here. I intend to ignore it completely going forward. It’s an open forum, at least so far as I know. Or knew.
Keep posting the latest on the election, If Yang wins then we can judge on his actions while in office which is the bottom line of course. Since i’m not a New Yorker i admit at this point in time would probably vote for him to give him a shot but with 70 days to go i could change my mind. Gotta admit what i know about him is from the prez election cycle and what’s been posted here. I guess i’m looking at this from a standpoint on if i really had to vote in this election
Ditto
I don’t see much sniping here tbh, people just presenting other viewpoints.
And please don’t worry about this being an open forum or not, it is (an open forum). A helluva lot more open than TOP where one could get attacked on a regular basis for expressing the mildest of pushback.
My personal biggest worry about Yang is his connection to Bloomberg. But, since I don’t live in NYC, I’m just an outsider hoping that the best person gets elected.
Valid concern. What is that connection?