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Leu2500
Leu2500

Cnn has town halls with a bunch of the candidates tonight. Bernie at 9, warren at 8. Eastern.

How to watch without cable, https://www.fastcompany.com/90338413/cnn-live-stream-how-to-watch-the-presidential-town-halls-without-cable

WindDancer13

This is looking good:

More young people likely to vote in 2020 than 2016, Harvard poll shows

Fifty-eight percent of young respondents who identified as Democrats said they are likely to vote in next year’s primary or caucuses, compared to 44% of respondents at the same point in the campaign four years ago.


Forty-seven percent of respondents who identified as Republicans said they are likely to vote in the nominating contests, down slightly from 48% in the spring of 2015.

Leu2500
Leu2500

And 4 more years of young people are eligible to vote in 2020 than 2016.

LieparDestin

Republican discussed violent attacks and surveillance with rightwingers

A Washington state Republican politician took part in private discussions with rightwing figures about carrying out surveillance, “psyops” and even violent attacks on perceived political enemies, according to chat records obtained by the Guardian.

State representative Matt Shea, who represents Spokane Valley in the Washington state house, participated in the chats with three other men. All of the men used screen aliases – Shea’s was “Verum Bellator”, Latin for true warrior. The Guardian confirmed the identity of those in the chat by cross-checking phone numbers attached to the Signal accounts.

The group included Jack Robertson, who broadcasts a far-right radio show, Radio Free Redoubt, under the alias “John Jacob Schmidt”. The chat also included Anthony Bosworth, whose history includes a public altercation with his own daughter and bringing guns to a court house. Bosworth participated in the 2016 occupation of the Malheur national wildlife refuge, reportedly at Shea’s request.

The name of another participant, who provided the chat records to the Guardian, has been withheld due to concerns about personal safety.

The chats on the messaging app Signal took place in the days leading up to a supposed “Antifa revolt” on 4 November 2017. Throughout late October, far-right media outlets had been stoking fears of political conflict on the basis of planned peaceful protests by a small leftist group.

The men proposed to confront leftists – whom they repeatedly refer to as “communists” and “Antifa” – with a suite of tactics, including violence.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Bernie beating Trump in the Midwest. https://www.nbcnews.com/card/sanders-releases-internal-poll-showing-lead-over-trump-pa-wi-n997281

WASHINGTON—Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign is releasing new internal polling that shows him leading President Donald Trump in hypothetical matchups in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

According to the internal data released to reporters by the campaign, Sanders is up by double-digits in Michigan and Wisconsin (by 11 points and 10 points respectively), and leads in Pennsylvania by 8 points.

Snip

Some data points the campaign highlighted include that, across all three states, a majority of voters believe the country is on the wrong track, disapprove of Trump’s handling of the job, and support Medicare for All — a platform that’s becoming increasingly popular among Democratic presidential candidates.

The three states were key to Trump’s 2016 victory. Before Trump’s success there, the last time a Republican presidential candidate had won any of those states was 1988.

Sanders’ allies believe his message on economic equality helps him connect to the kinds of blue-collar voters that Democrats lost in 2016. Earlier this month, the senator went on a four-day road trip through the Midwest, highlighting his general-election focus on the region.

Source document. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5974060-Tulchin-Research-Memo-Sanders-Defeating-Trump-in.html

Tulchin called Iowa in 2016. I think it was Weaver’s book, but Tulchin told the campaign turnout x, % y for like 3 turnout scenarios. Yes, he called the tie.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Even better is the poll results for M4A

What’s most striking about the poll we released today is not Bernie's lead over Trump in WI, MI, and PA, but how when we threw the kitchen sink of arguments against Medicare for all, it still led by +/- 20 points. https://t.co/tDlNCy1TdU pic.twitter.com/zBEhpJzQWn

— Ari Rabin-Havt (@AriRabinHavt) April 22, 2019

Leu2500
Leu2500

And ro khanna on Mayor pete’s Trump-Bernie nonsense.

I appreciate @PeteButtigieg making the case for why @BernieSanders is the strongest general election candidate against Trump. That said, Sanders like Wellstone is anti establishment in the sense of speaking truth to power. Trump is a propagandist who sells lies. Big difference. https://t.co/Yx05B0C8lo

— Ro Khanna (@RoKhanna) April 22, 2019

WindDancer13

From my email, this is the blurb for a NYT article:

Yesterday: Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, said it was acceptable for a political campaign to use hacked data obtained from a foreign adversary. “There’s nothing wrong with taking information from Russians,” Mr. Giuliani said, noting that he personally would have advised against it.

Tell me again: Why was Julian Assange arrested?

Leu2500
Leu2500

Because Pr flack Giuliani is only playing a lawyer.

jcitybone

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/sanders-doesnt-need-2016-levels-to-win-lots-of-delegates.html

Well, that’s sort of right. What this type of calculation ignores that’s particularly relevant in the current vast 2020 field is the Democrats’ 15 percent threshold: a candidate must hit that mark in the awarding jurisdiction (congressional or state legislative districts, or a state as a whole, depending on state rules) to get any pledged delegates. So if a lot of candidates don’t meet that threshold, then candidates that do are going to get more delegates than their share of the popular vote would initially indicate.

With that in mind, let’s look at recent poll standings (using FiveThirtyEight’s new comprehensive database of state primary and caucus polls) of Democratic candidates in the early states and see who’s above the threshold.

* In six Iowa polls taken in the last two months, Biden and Sanders are over the threshold in every one and no one else reaches it in any one.

* In four New Hampshire polls taken in the last two months, again, Biden and Sanders are over the threshold in every one and no one else reaches it in any one.

* There been just one recent Nevada poll, and it shows–you guessed it–Biden and Sanders over the threshold, with no one else even close.

* In one of two South Carolina polls taken in the last two months, Biden and Sanders are the only qualifiers for delegates (statewide, at least), and in the other Sanders fall just short and no one else is close.

* The mold is broken in two recent polls in California (technically not an early state, but the most important state voting immediately thereafter (and where voting will begin even earlier), where home-state senator Kamala Harris gets above the threshold along with Biden and Sanders.

* And just to give a sense of where candidates stand in other states, there have been 17 national polls in the last two months, and guess what? Biden and Sanders are over the threshold in all of them, and no one else is over the threshold in any of them.

Now obviously it’s early, and obviously Biden and Sanders are the best-known candidates. Support for some of the lesser-known candidates may blossom, and for others will probably wither as the first debates come and go and campaigning begins in earnest. But candidates that fade and/or drop out are likely going to give back some of their vote share to the front-runners, and those that stay in but fail to meet thresholds in this or that place will in effect give their share of the votes proportionately to those who get more than 15 percent. What makes Biden and Sanders special is that they are pretty strong everywhere, and thus are likely not to get shut out. So they have hidden delegate strength.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Put down your beverage before reading.

Elizabeth Warren is running pretty substantially to the left of Bernie Sanders, which seems to have changed nobody’s mind about anything.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 22, 2019

Tyrannocaster

Yg is a Bernie hater; he actually seems deranged when it comes to this. I like Warren and appreciate her positions, but Yg is full of it.

jcitybone

A tamer tone. He’s just so open to everybody

https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/k-street-gets-behind-mayor-pete-buttigieg

A collection of prominent K Street insiders has jumped behind the Pete Buttigieg campaign, helping the South Bend, Indiana, mayor’s bid in the Democratic 2020 presidential contest with fundraising and strategy.

It’s striking that longtime federal lobbyists, policy strategists and message makers are gravitating to the D.C. outsider’s campaign given the long list of sitting lawmakers who are also running. K Street denizens, though they often bring with them the baggage of working on behalf of corporate interests, offer campaigns a network of donors and fundraising expertise as well as policy chops and sway on Capitol Hill.

Many of Buttigieg’s K Street boosters are openly gay like the candidate himself. The Indiana mayor, in contrast to some of his competitors such as Sens. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, also takes a tamer tone when it comes to anti-lobbyist rhetoric and allows donations from registered lobbyists.

Another co-host of the May 21 fundraiser is David H. Reid, a senior policy adviser at the lobbying and law firm Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck. He served as Washington, D.C., finance director for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign and has been involved in Democratic fundraising efforts for years, including for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

Reid had planned to stay neutral during the primary, but Buttigieg’s message and story convinced him otherwise.

“It really was inspiring to see what it is he brought to the conversation: how thoughtful he is in the agenda he is laying out but also his approach,” Reid said. “It is a breath of fresh air to many. … He brings to the conversation a level of civility, respect and truly thought-out policy positions that I think folks will really start to gravitate toward, and I wanted to make sure that part of the conversation is heard.”

Unlike the sitting lawmakers, Buttigieg doesn’t have to prove himself a D.C. outsider, and Reid said that manifests itself, among other ways, in his willingness to hear from all stakeholders, including even those who operate on K Street.

“He wants to hear from and listen to anybody and everybody,” Reid said. “I think that speaks volumes to his overall approach. When you write a certain group off or feel as though you have to shun one group over another, I think that ends up doing a disservice to the work you’re trying to do.”

jcitybone

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/22/south-bend-poor-say-democrat-pete-buttigieg-left-them-behind.html

White said that he remembers seeing the city’s previous mayor, Steve Luecke, around his neighborhood. But Buttigieg, he said, has stayed away.

“I ain’t ever seen the dude,” White said. “Tell him to chill with us for three or four days.”

The absence stings. But, in neighborhoods away from downtown, so does the lack of investment.

Buttigieg has claimed that one of his economic initiatives, a project to make downtown more friendly to pedestrians, has attracted $90 million in private investments in the downtown area. It’s a boast that smacks of unfairness in other parts of the city.

Asked about the biggest economic development he’s seen since Buttigieg was elected, White points in the direction of the Four Winds Casino that opened last year several miles to the south. One percent of the revenue from the casino goes to jobs and education programs, according to the South Bend Tribune.

“That could have been a mental health facility,” chimed in El Bey, a black 37-year-old who moved to South Bend from Chicago two years ago.

Bey said that there were charitable services in the area, but said the ones he encountered mostly provided food, when what the area needed was treatment for mental health problems and substance abuse.

“I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to have a chance to run for president,” Bey clarified. “But he’s got to take care of here first.”

LieparDestin

Trump Calls Bernie Sanders Crazy, Praises Him in Private

To his rally-goers, Donald Trump openly craves a 2020 showdown with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), salivating at the prospect of getting to run against an elderly, self-declared democratic socialist.

But in private, his view of a potential run against the senator is a lot more complex and less swaggeringly self-assured.

Those around the president say he’s been of two minds when the topic of facing Sanders in 2020 comes up. While he sees the senator as a vulnerable opponent, he also has offered begrudging respect for his political acumen. Trump will—sometimes unprompted—bring up Sanders’ own working-class support, and acknowledge that there is, in fact, potential for the senator to win over Trump voters with his populist appeal, three sources who’ve discussed this with the president tell The Daily Beast. The president has been impressed with Sanders’ ability to ignite his base and draw a large crowd, though not, in his words, as “good as Trump.” The president has also privately discussed the fundraising hauls that Sanders and his campaign have pulled off, noting Sanders’ impressive track record with small-dollar donors.

“In my conversations with the president, both in interviews and privately, I get the sense the president has clearly taken notice of the amount of money that Sanders is raising, the amount of small donors, and the passion of his followers,” said Eric Bolling, a BlazeTV host and friend of Trump and his family.

The respect the president has shown for Sanders is, in a way, a reflection of Trump’s own belief that the key ingredients for success in American politics are unconventionality and populism. Sanders, like the president, has cast himself as a politician who operates outside the traditional governing structures and whose north star is helping the American working class.

But while Trump has been quietly impressed by Sanders, aides and confidants say he doesn’t view him as an electoral threat, at least not yet. Bolling, for one, said Trump views a Sanders nomination as “a gift to his re-election campaign because he believes America is not ready for a socialist president of any kind.” And others who’ve spoken to Trump in recent months say that the president still expresses a desire to run against the senator, or someone of his ideological stripe, in part because it would easily afford him numerous lines of attack: from tying Sanders’ left-wing rhetoric to the economic crisis in Venezuela, to pushing caricatures of the Green New Deal, to warning of far-left government takeovers of major U.S. industries.

“President Trump would love to run against Bernie Sanders because President Trump believes he would crush Bernie at the ballot box and be able to hit him over the head with his socialist rhetoric from now until the election,” said Jason Miller, Trump’s former comms director for the presidential transition.

But the calculation is a bit more nuanced behind closed doors. When Trump talks to friends and advisers about Sanders, he often will note that Sanders drew far bigger (and more uproarious) crowds than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Miller even recalled that candidate Trump, during the 2016 race, would convey a “respect” for Sanders that was rooted in their mutual “distrust of the establishment.” Miller also recounted how candidate Trump talked about how “he never heard anyone clap for Hillary Clinton the way they clapped for Bernie.”

LieparDestin

polarbear4

Works!

polarbear4

Good answer to a young woman comparing him to a communist.

wi61

Wish Bernie would have touched on FDR’s 2nd bill of rights a little more for educational purposes in his answer.

polarbear4

Yes.

polarbear4

Netanyahu is treating Palestinians unfairly. It’s a right wing, racist govt.

polarbear4

This is a parAphrase but he did say racist in a diff sentence than P4Bernie’s quote.

polarbear4

Potential to create millions of good paying jobs with GND.

Trump’s attitude is so dangerous.

We will lead the world.

polarbear4

I don’t take the time to thank those of you consistently posting diaries nearly often enough. 🙏🔥🙏🦜🙏❤️🐾🔥🙏🦜

jcitybone

jcitybone

jcitybone

jcitybone

jcitybone

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-town-halls-sanders-buttigieg-harris-warren-klobuchar/index.html

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders argued Monday that the best way to oust President Donald Trump was by defeating him at the ballot box in 2020, not impeaching him before then.

The answer was notably different to the one Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren gave just minutes earlier, when she delivered a lengthy answer in favor of impeaching the President.

“Here is my concern: At the end of the day, what is most important to me is to see that Donald Trump is not re-elected President and I intend to do everything I can to make sure that that doesn’t happen,” Sanders said.

He added: “But if for the next year all the Congress is talking about is ‘Trump, Trump, Trump,’ and ‘Mueller, Mueller, Mueller’ and we’re not talking about health care and raising the minimum wage to a living wage and we’re not talking about climate change and sexism and racism and homophobia and the issues that concern ordinary Americans, I worry that works to Trump’s advantage.”

While most voters at Democratic town halls don’t ask about impeachment, the issue has risen to national prominence following the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report and the fact that Warren and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julian Castro have backed impeachment proceedings.

“I think there has to be a thorough investigation,” he said. “The House Democrats will do it. I’d appreciate if my Republican colleagues in the Senate had the guts to do it as well, but I won’t hold my breath. I want to see that we’ll see where it goes but right now, you know, that’s it.”

jcitybone

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440129-harris-i-believe-that-congress-should-take-the-steps-towards-the

2020 Democratic hopeful Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) said Monday that the House should take steps toward impeaching President Trump amid the release of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on his investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

“I think we have very good reason that there is an investigation that has been conducted that has produced evidence that tells us that this president and his administration have engaged in obstruction of justice. I believe Congress should take the steps toward impeachment,” Harris said at CNN Town Hall in New Hampshire.

polarbear4

Can’t watch Kamala. Grating

magsview

Ditto.

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

I thought this was a joke!

jcitybone

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/22/politics/bernie-sanders-cnn-town-hall-takeaways/index.html

CNN’s Chris Cuomo noted that Sanders was essentially writing a 30-second opposition ad against himself “by saying you think the Boston Marathon bomber should vote.”

“Well, Chris,” Sanders answered, “I think I have written many 30-second opposition ads throughout my life. This will be just another one.”

polarbear4

polarbear4

The policyless.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Reporter for The Atlantic.

Several sources say the Biden announcement, which had been planned for Wednesday by video, has now been pushed back

— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) April 22, 2019

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