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WindDancer13

I posted this very early this morning in yesterday’s OT but wanted to make sure it was seen so here it is again.

From: https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/bfykb7/know_your_candidates/

Click for larger view. I did post a comment to the original poster that the N/A needs to be clarified as well as the wording “Pro-Israel/AIPAC” as they can be easily misconstrued.

Places where N/A is used to indicate that a candidate has not yet stated a position are a good start on what questions need to be asked to those candidates (cf the question on whistle blowers).

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Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death
Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

Thanks, I didn’t see this yesterday.

jcitybone

orlbucfan

Buttagag sounds like a doofus. He’s not getting my vote. ‘Love’ it–people like me who support the Bernster are the same as the MAGA yahoos supporting the imbecile. That’s called an insult, Pete. T and R, LD!!

WindDancer13

Did he just call us “deplorables”?

magsview

On twitter this morning, with Bernie/Trump trending, naysayers were saying, “Oh please, he didn’t compare Bernie to Trump! He compared Bernie’s supporters to Trump supporters”, as though that was somehow better. And I thought, why is it considered to be so okay that Bernie’s supporters are constantly being bashed?!

Even in 2015/2016 the incoming fire was worse for Bernie supporters rather than Bernie himself (not that there wasn’t plenty directed at Bernie too, of course).

humphrey

Well at least he is accomplishing something positive. /S

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439613-buttigieg-steals-betos-thunder

Pete Buttigieg’s fast-rising 2020 presidential campaign is cutting into Beto O’Rourke’s viral mojo.

O’Rourke, the former Texas congressman who became a media phenomenon when he nearly toppled Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) last year, has been eclipsed in recent weeks by Buttigieg, the upstart South Bend, Ind., mayor who has won headline after headline and changed national perceptions about his candidacy.

As white men and two of the youngest candidates in the field, Buttigieg, 37, and O’Rourke, 46, are natural competitors.

Both candidates are seeking to convince Democrats that the party needs a generational change as they chase former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who are both in their 70s.

The polls have been largely steady in recent weeks for all the 2020 contenders except for Buttigieg, who has seen a notable rise and now ranks third in several polls, though behind Biden and Sanders.

jcitybone

Leu2500
Leu2500
OzoneTom
OzoneTom

The article in your link named Dana Milbank in the by-line, not Dan Balz.

A West Virginia woman sent a great LTE (Letter to the Editor) replying to the ridiculous proposition of the WP piece:
https://www.herald-dispatch.com/opinion/linda-childers-comparison-between-sanders-trump-off-base/article_b7ea865d-0f5d-5b66-bf0b-bd1720e7614c.html

jcitybone

Rep. Ilhan Omar, one of the most famous new Democrats in Congress, retweeted one of Bernie’s surrogates, Nina Turner, who defended the senator from Buttigieg’s remarks.

Torabs
Torabs

A dog whistle if I ever saw one.

jcitybone

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-student-debt.html

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who has structured her presidential campaign around a steady unveiling of disruptive policy ideas, on Monday proposed her biggest one yet: a $1.25 trillion plan to reshape higher education by canceling most student loan debt and eliminating tuition at every public college.

Ms. Warren’s sweeping plan has several planks. She would pay for it with revenue generated by her proposed increase in taxes for America’s most wealthy families and corporations, which the campaign estimates to be $2.75 trillion over 10 years. In addition to eliminating undergraduate tuition at public colleges and universities, she would expand federal grants to help students with nontuition expenses and create a $50 billion fund to support historically black colleges and universities.

She would eliminate up to $50,000 in student loan debt for every person with a household income of less than $100,000; borrowers who make between $100,000 and $250,000 would have a portion of their debt forgiven.

“This touches people’s lives,” Ms. Warren said in an interview. “This is a chance to talk about what’s broken and how we fix it. This is the American dream.”

jcitybone

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/business/dealbook/elizabeth-warren-finance-executives.html

Prosecutions of finance executives related to the 2008 financial crisis were few and far between — and that has remained a persistent complaint about the government’s response to the meltdown.

Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts has offered legislation that would make it easier to prosecute them with the Corporate Executive Accountability Act.

The challenge with charging corporate executives is that they are often insulated from the decisions that violate the law. That can make it difficult, if not impossible, for prosecutors to prove they have the requisite intent. The former head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Lanny A. Breuer, has defended the lack of prosecutions. In a PBS “Frontline” special, he said, “When we cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was criminal intent, then we have a constitutional duty not to bring those cases.” Former Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. told a Senate committee that some banks had become so big that prosecuting them would have negatively affected the economy. In other words, they had become “too big to jail.”

Ms. Warren’s bill would make it easier for federal prosecutors to pursue charges against individuals by holding executives liable if they “negligently permit or fail to prevent a violation of law.” The government often uses statutes like mail and wire fraud to pursue criminal cases. Those laws, however, require proving the defendant’s intent to defraud, which is unlikely when a senior executive has little to do with the actual misconduct. The new provision would allow punishment if the executive were merely negligent in overseeing the enterprise, which means the person acted in an objectively unreasonable manner.

polarbear4

I hope Bernie adopts this or better yet, adopts her as Treasury Sec.

I am already grateful, just reading this—it would do so much to help my life, much less those less fortunate than me.

This would also help relieve the shame involved in not making use of an expensive education, too.

humphrey

One caution. Assuming that Bernie is successful in his run for the Presidency he would be wise to load his cabinet with outsiders. He will need all the support that he can gather from progressives who are presently in Congress.

magsview

wi61

Any President that would do that would stimulate various areas of the economy by freeing up graduates over all spending money

jcitybone

The more moderates the merrier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/seth-moulton-president.html

Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, a third-term congressman who has pushed for a “new generation of leadership” in Washington, declared his candidacy for president on Monday, becoming the 19th candidate to enter the Democratic primary field.

“I’m running because I’m a patriot, because I believe in this country and because I’ve never wanted to sit on the sidelines when it comes to serving it,” Mr. Moulton said Monday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

Mr. Moulton, 40, garnered attention in November when he helped lead a group of rebellious Democrats who had sought to deny Speaker Nancy Pelosi the gavel in the new Congress. The effort was unsuccessful, and Mr. Moulton ultimately voted for Ms. Pelosi. His online biography paints him as something of a disrupter, noting that he was “the only Democrat to unseat an incumbent in a primary” in the House of Representatives when he was first elected in 2014.

Mr. Moulton, a Harvard-educated Marine veteran, has also focused on recruiting veterans to run for Congress as Democrats, including a handful who campaigned and won in 2018 promising not to back Ms. Pelosi.

orlbucfan

Ugh!

magsview

Enough already with these Harvard-educated veterans!

He’s maintained a relatively centrist voting record — voting with Trump about 20% of the time, is socially progressive but fiscally more conservative, and has the support of military leaders, including David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal.

After being discharged from the Marines, Moulton earned a dual MBA and MPA from Harvard Business School and the Harvard Kennedy School of Government. Since joining Congress, he’s been active in helping recruit military veterans to run for office.

https://www.businessinsider.com/massachusetts-democrat-seth-moulton-announces-2020-presidential-bid-2019-1

humphrey

I assume he will get support from the MIC.

Torabs
Torabs

Another establishment hack trying to get 15% in his home state. The establishment has a funny way of resurrecting the 50-state strategy in primary season.

Don midwest
Don midwest

AOC Green New Deal Video, Art, Bruno Latour

What a great video! 4 months work including Naomi Klein and the artist Molly Crabapple created a work for people to “see” that the Green New Deal was politically possible. Given the current political wasteland, one could give up on something this big because it seemed impossible.

The excellent DemocracyNow segment described what went into the work including the use of animation in our image jaded culture. AOC is a character. With all her work, probably few Americans know of Naomi Klein.

What happens when one approaches the anthropocene? No one has seen the anthropocene. How can one see that it possible to go beyond the Green New Deal and address the changes needed for all humans and non humans on earth?

As an aside, I pup a piece on Bruno related to the AOC art and Lipear put up a video which I will link again here.

The Need For Freedom In Creativity | Lowkey

He goes over the argument that oppression often creates great art. It sometimes happens as an outcome, but artists often confront power and power usually wins and artists get ground up in the oppression. This is my short summary of the video. It is not necessary to revisit that video.

Bruno is coming from a different place. It was painters who discovered perspective drawing that allowed Galileo to see the shadows on the moon. Bruno is using artists, scientists, etc. to become sensitive to the anthropocene.

In the two videos below he discusses “sensitivity” – how to be sensitive to the anthropocene, something so gigantic that it is impossible to “see” and the required response requires massive change. It will actually be harder to change than it was in the past because of dependence on technology and resources have made human change more difficult. And for 30 years, Bruno has brought in human and non human characters.

Is the anthropocene a character in a story that earthbounds (i.e., former humans) can relate with?

Here is the information on a 4 minute video

Philosopher Bruno Latour argues that the fundamental relations between art, science and politics in the Anthropocene have not changed since the 18th and 19th centuries when the crucial inventions of class, citizenship and the social question, among others, were made possible by a range of equally important actors, from novelists and political philosophers to statisticians and geographers. What may seem to complicate this fundamental relation among art, science and politics in the Anthropocene is a certain lagging or disparate sensitivity to these three aesthetics in our handling of what Latour calls the ‘ecological questions’ of our age. Such questions seem to have moved to the center of contemporary discussion and debate (as has their need for political resolution and action). Yet by and large most participants in the conversations are not yet sensitive to these so-called ecological phenomena in line with the aesthetic demands of art, science and politics. Our ecological discourse, Latour seems to suggest, is too rudimentary and needs to mature.

Note the inventions he notes: class, citizenship, and social question (including socialism). The citizen became an actor. The water protectors made water a political actor. Notice how aesthetics are central.

Be sure and use CC, closed captions. Obviously this is not a professional video like The Green New Deal.

Bruno Latour: What are the optimal interrelations of art, science and politics in the Anthropocene?

***
Next is a much longer video on the same general topic. It is important the religion is prominent in his work including a way to understand fundamentalism which had reignited the religious wars that preceded The Enlightenment in the 16 -17th centuries.

Melbourne Lecture

What equipment is necessary to render us sensitive to the New Climatic Regime? There is science, of course, without which we would not have become aware of the change. There is also politics, the only way to assemble the relevant stake holders. But since we don’t seem naturally endowed with the right sensitivity to absorb the magnitude of the ecological mutations we confront, there is also the arts. The lecture will review the overlap between these three forms of aesthetics (defined as what makes us sensitive to hitherto unknown phenomena) by using various performances in which the author has been involved: theatre, exhibitions, simulations, as well as interventions in social science and philosophy

On Sensitivity Arts, Science and Politics in the New Climatic Regime

WindDancer13

Hillary wins popular vote in the General Election by wide margin, but Trump wins Electoral vote. Bernie wins popular vote in WV Primary by a wide margin, Hillary ends up with more delegates. If you're ok with the latter, don't bitch about the former. #FixTheSystem

— #Bernie2020 Brooks4Bernie2020 (@Brooks4Bernie) April 21, 2019

The Superdelegate situation still needs some work. Start with governors or other politicians who represent a state MUST as a superdelegate vote the will of their constituency. This will help preserve the one vote rule as they would only be confirming what the voters of their state have decided. If that candidate is not still in the race, then the vote goes to the first runner-up, etc.

orlbucfan

^^^Amen^^^

jcitybone

GOP Rep Andy Barr doesn’t want Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez meeting with miners from his state, because he knows she’s offering exactly what they really need. Sam Seder and the Majority Report crew discuss this.

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

How about we put a cap on the voting age for this election?

Leu2500
Leu2500

How about we don’t.

humphrey

LOL. Most of the commenters here are are oldtimers including pb4. Don’t take it personally.

orlbucfan

Old fart Boomers like me. 🙂

wi61

Add another old boomer

Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death
Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

Some of us pre-boomers still hanging out too.

polarbear4

Cool graphic.

polarbear4

magsview

This entire poll was on 35 people-pretty tiny sampling! And who are these ‘activists’ anyway?

About 35 people from the respondent pool participated in each wave of interviews.

The activists I’ve been speaking to seem to have different candidate preferences than Democratic voters more broadly

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/we-asked-democratic-activists-who-theyre-backing-and-who-theyd-hate-to-see-win/

polarbear4

Thanks. Establishment activists. So Republicans.

orlbucfan

Silver needs to go back to sports betting/polling. His political crystal ball is over-rated.

humphrey

magsview

That one sentence should be enough to sink him. (operative word being ‘should’)

I realize that some, often older, people in the South were quoted as leaning towards Biden because of his connection to Obama, but how many of those people are on Social Security and depend on Medicare?

humphrey

One does not have to dig deep to find more Biden quotes.

jcitybone

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-and-jeremy-corbyn-might-create-a-revolution/

Now a fundamental reordering could again be the result of parallel elections on either side of the Atlantic Ocean. The UK and the United States suffer many of the same maladies—savage inequality, a political economy that does not work for most people, devastation of manufacturing sectors, and a stark contrast between the financial center and the provinces. There is also a corporate culture in both countries dominated by finance and shareholder interests and characterized by short-term, predatory plunder. Both countries have a young generation likely to fare far worse than its parents. Both suffer an establishment that is demoralized and bereft of ideas. Rising popular discontent has taken perverse expressions: Brexit in Britain, Trump in the United States.

Hence the left is on the rise, driven by ideas, grassroots energy, and authenticity. Corbyn was lifted to leadership in the Labour Party by an unprecedented mobilization and expansion in party membership. Sanders came from idiosyncratic obscurity to front-runner in the 2020 race largely because of his 2016 primary run, which was fueled significantly by a surge of energy from young voters.

magsview

I like the language!

“savage inequality”

“a corporate culture…characterized by…predatory plunder”

polarbear4

Sanders and Corbyn! yes, please.

jcitybone

Well he won’t be competing for Bernie voters

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/moulton-democrats-health-care-1285096

Newly declared presidential candidate Seth Moulton criticized his Democratic competitors Monday for pushing the idea of single-payer health care, citing what he called an imperfect experience at the Department of Veterans Affairs.

“I think I’m the only candidate who actually gets single-payer health care,” the Massachusetts congressman said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” He qualified his statement by adding that, like his 18 opponents in the 2020 primary, “I think health care is a right. I think every American should have access to good affordable health care.”

But the Iraq War veteran said his experience with single-payer health care made him hesitant to back any plan that would boot Americans off of their private insurance plans.

“I made a commitment to continue getting my own health care at the VA when I was elected to Congress. That’s single-payer, and I’ll tell you — it’s not perfect,” he said. “ So if I’m elected, I’m not going to force you off your private health care plan.”

“I’m not a socialist. I’m a Democrat. And I want to make that clear,” he said, taking a shot at the leftward bent of the Democratic field. “And maybe that’s a differentiator for me in this race.”

magsview

I’m already so over this guy just from reading about him this morning. He takes every opportunity to insert his military background, he uses the word “access” to health care and this:

“I’m not a socialist. I’m a Democrat. And I want to make that clear,”

generated a rather *cough* antagonistic response from this birdie!

polarbear4

Guess he forgot to that if everyone is on a single pair, quality of care goes way up, cost, way down.

WindDancer13

First, what kind of person uses the word “differentiator “?

Second, if a person is going to use such a word, he/she should at least use it correctly.

FRom https://www.dictionary.com/browse/differentiator
noun
1. a person or thing that differentiates.
2. Computers . an electronic device whose output signal is proportional to the derivative of its input signal.
3. Electricity , Electronics . a transducer or circuit (differentiator circuit) whose output is proportional to the rate of change of the input signal.

Although, given the second and third definition, if establishment Dems are the input signal, his policies will be proportional to the bribes he receives.

However, I think I will just go with GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).

orlbucfan

He’s semi-literate, too. Ugh! 🙂

orlbucfan

Sounds like another YUPPIE dimwit.

humphrey

Wow! this is certainly good for a Chuckle.🙄

Michele Bachmann: Trump Is The Most ‘Biblical’ & ‘Godly’ President Of All Time

magsview

Whenever I hear the term ‘batsh*t crazy’ this woman comes to mind.

wi61

Well I haven’t used this in a while it certainly applies to Bachmann

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orlbucfan

^^^^^^^Amen. ^^^^^^^ Bachmann is a clear example of a brain dead yahoo.

WindDancer13

“Most Biblical” in the sense of the beast of the Apocalypse.

The end times are here according to interpretations of Revelations.

How the play could run: Trump is starring in the role as the beast. For the anti-Christ there is a myriad of choices among Trump’s supporting actors.

Revelation 13 describes two beasts that will rise up and take power in the end times. The first beast, referred to in the Bible as the beast, is a political power that will rule over the earth in the end times. The second beast is the Antichrist.

The beast also works closely together with the Antichrist (the beast from the earth, Revelation 13:11-12). The Antichrist exercises the authority of the beast and aims to make all the people of the earth worship the beast.

I am thinking Pence in the role of the harlot.

The beast works together with the harlot, a spirit power who works to corrupt the gospel and turn people away from the truth. The harlot mixes Christianity with the world, preaching that people can live both for God and for themselves at the same time. She represents all of the false churches in the world. The relationship between the beast and the harlot is mutually beneficial but at the same time they hate one another. The harlot gives the peoples of the world a nice, feel-good religion and helps pacify them and keep them in line. In return the beast gives the harlot money and support from the government.

Listening to people like Bachman almost makes me wish there is a god and that I could see the look on these people’s faces when that god renders justice. Oops!

jcitybone

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-2020-president.html

While she’s hardly a centrist, she has distinguished herself by breaking from the new liberal orthodoxy that has dominated the primary so far.

The first policy proposal released by her campaign was a $1 trillion infrastructure plan, an idea that is popular among Republicans and was championed by Mr. Trump during his presidential run.

She doesn’t favor a “Medicare for all” health care system, preferring a more graduated approach, and she has called the Green New Deal “aspirational.”

When asked by a student at a CNN town hall if she supported free tuition for students at public colleges and universities, she said she did not. “If I was a magic genie and could give that to everyone and we could afford it, I would,” she said.

Her approach has turned off some progressive activists.

“When we talk to our members, frankly, they aren’t super excited about Senator Klobuchar,” said Yvette Simpson, chief executive of Democracy For America, a political action committee that backed Senator Bernie Sanders in the 2016 presidential primary. “Voters are looking for champions, fighters, people who are going to go all the way. She has taken an approach that is unfortunately more incremental.”

magsview

We NEED “champions, fighters, people who are going to go all the way”.

orlbucfan

We don’t need RW YUPPIES.

wi61

They can stay with the Trumptanic

humphrey

Human-Potato Hybrid on Fox News Cluelessly Concern Trolls About Medicare For All

humphrey

Worth a click.

humphrey

I guess that this is a repeat but that is OK. Still worth a click.

Don midwest
Don midwest

it sure is

humphrey

humphrey

Don midwest
Don midwest

another war crime

no wonder we are out of the ICC

International Criminal Court

humphrey

magsview

But, Nate goes on to caution, the UNH poll is “notoriously bouncy” per some guy named Kevin Robillard” (is that to disparage the results?):

polarbear4

Surges will happen with all the propaganda spewed daily. Scary but ima hoping for a burnout.

jcitybone

As seen in the Morning Consult poll, Bernie voters’ second choices are Biden and Warren. Biden voters’ second choices are Biden and Harris.

Buttigieg takes a lot more votes from the rest of the field than from Bernie. His rise is accompanied by the fall of everyone else except Bernie who went up.

If Warren does as poorly in the NH election as this poll says she will, it might be the end if her campaign.

WindDancer13

Regarding Silver’s “small sample size” comment for NH: 549 people in NH were polled for this survey. What is the population of NH? 1,356,458 The Iowa poll surveyed 590 people. Population of Iowa: 3,156,145

The NH Granite State Poll has some fascinating things in it and is definitely worth taking a look at.

Take a look at the chart of who the people who were surveyed said they would not vote for in any circumstances.

31% of respondents were 50 to 64.
27% 18 to 34
23% 35-49
20% 65 and over

77% of respondents currently undecided

Much, much more in there.

TheLeftistheCenter

Not that it really needs to be said, but Nate is full on propagandist now with no qualms toeing the establishment line contrary to the evidence in front of his face.

You might as well get neera tandens analysis, the old Nate we knew from a decade ago is completely gone

Leu2500
Leu2500

Nate forgot to mention what he has said before: that polls this early are crap. We have to get much closer to Iowa b4 Iowa polls are good, and selzer is the gold standard there. Nh polls don’t matter until after ia, etc.

magsview

magsview

My Earth Day offering from one of my favorite cartoon characters!

magsview

I made a big poster of this image when I was a kid that I taped on my bedroom door. It helped me get through some of the trying times. 🙂

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magsview

TheLeftistheCenter

Just saw LD tweet and it reminded me I haven’t been by in while, twitter has kind of become the frontline of the virtual progs vs establishment battle and has consumed my time. Its funny after well over a decade of prog bloging the hardest thing about twitter is learning how to complete thoughts in 260 characters especially because im naturally wordy to begin with, so just the fact im still typing in the same message as when I started this paragraph is a bit of a luxury 😛

Some observations from the front lines:

Progs are winning the virtual battle, our anti propaganda efforts are so effective CNN actually did an article telling its viewers not to go to twitter if they want to know the truth (Which in nonOrwelling means: Our propaganda programing doesn’t hold up well when confronted with sincere people presenting supportable fact)

The DNC is losing control of the primary, as the field approaches 20, the establishment ‘chosen one’ is on its third candidate (Harris, Beto, Pete) and Biden is still in perpetual ‘verge’ of launching (he will be chosen one #4 if Pete doesn’t survive his early vetting like the other two failed messiahs). The system is in such shambles even the troll bots aren’t sure who to support now, so the voters sure as hell aren’t going to be able to unify on a chosen one. Why this matters is because there is a 15% threshold for any delegates in a state so even if Bernie only gets 30-35% in a state if all the others split the rest <15% he gets all the delegates for that state, so if they don't control the messaging on who to rally around, Bernie could just clear the field from the early states.

This election could be the straw the breaks the establishment messaging machines back, we are still 10 months from the first vote and the messaging machine is already in overdrive trying everything to stop Bernie, but unlike last time where they had a pretty short window to maintain the narrative, we are so early with so many people already on board, im not sure its even possible to maintain MSM messaging for that long (general Bernie cant/wont win) when we are going to be having millions of people in RL seeing the opposite of what the media is saying. As we approach the actual primary and the voters become fully attentive, the whole messaging machine could blow a gasket as it attempts to feed realities that don't look like anything like your reality, propaganda just doesn't hold up when people are attentive and seeing the opposite for a prolonged time, eventually it snaps and all trust in the source is lost.

Okay im satisfied I took full advantage of this luxurious unlimited text field, like a day out in the forest after months in a cubical 😛

Speaking of forests if you want to link up on twitter im fToRrEeEsSt (forest thru the trees)

polarbear4

I follow you. I’m GLB. 🦜🦜🦜

jes learning the ropes. Good to see you here and learn your handle.

TheLeftistheCenter

Im glad you told me didn’t know you were GLB though I see your name around.

On a blog you can get to know people better and faster than twitter, so all the regulars here I know way better than anyone on twitter, the limited field and hot take/attention seeking/outrage perpetuating culture of twitter doesn’t connect people like just chatting on a message board

magsview

Was wondering what you’ve been up to!! Great to see you. I know that you’ve been on twitter though. See you there? But please drop by once in awhile, even if it’s just a chance to be wordy. 🙂

TheLeftistheCenter

Thank you and I will try to stop by more, really didn’t even realize it had been that long until I saw LDs tweet.

Twitter is literally the final boss in the ‘but somebody is wrong on the internet” game so its pretty easy to get absorbed

polarbear4

humphrey

It is difficult to pick blockquotes from the linked article but it is quite revealing.

humphrey

jcitybone

LOL. Buttigieg is the real deal but Steyer has no idea what he stands for. He does have complimentary things to say about Bernie though.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-steyer-2020-democrats-bernie-sanders-pete-buttigieg-jay-inslee-2019-4

When asked if Buttigieg might be the person to bring the US into a new era or if the former mayor’s surge in popularity is a passing fad, Steyer said, “He’s the real deal. I don’t think there’s any question that he’s serious and that he’s going to be in this for the long run.”

Steyer added that he’s still familiarizing himself with what Buttigieg is “representing” and not in a position to make an “informed decision” about him yet.

Relatedly, Steyer pointed to Sanders as “either the frontrunner or almost the frontrunner” at the moment and gives the senator a lot of “credit” for the campaign he ran several years ago as well as his current campaign.

“He is basically trying to stick to his guns in terms of the values that he represents and the policies that he supports. I think that he is doing a good job,” Steyer said of Sanders.

humphrey

An evening Open Thread is now up.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Cnn has town halls with a bunch of the candidates tonight. Bernie at 9, warren at 8. Eastern.

How to watch without cable, https://www.fastcompany.com/90338413/cnn-live-stream-how-to-watch-the-presidential-town-halls-without-cable

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