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Leu2500
Leu2500

It’s Wed! That means Bernie is at an event with candidates at Texas Southern. Then he has the Houston Rally. Ft. Worth rally tomorrow.

Bernie had small campaign events yesterday in MA https://www.wcvb.com/article/vermont-senator-bernie-sanders-campaigns-in-cambridge-day-after-making-controversial-comments/27245005 and NH https://www.wmur.com/article/bernie-sanders-tells-volunteers-in-portsmouth-he-wont-take-nh-for-granted/27245053.

Not very good (of course) NY Mag titled Bernie Sanders: “Democratic socialist” is just a synonym for New Deal Liberal. Of course they disagree. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-new-deal-liberalism-cnn-town-hall.html#

Here’s a new one: how dare! Bernie accept his mayoral pension! (Lazy, not pulling up the Constitution he might have to not accept it while prez because of the domestic emoluments clause. Big whoop: it’s a whole 5k per year) https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/sen-bernie-sanders-gets-mayoral-pension-while-running-for-president.html

They quote some idiot who proclaims how wrong! It is of Bernie to accept the pension because he’s not retired. I guess idiot never heard of rehired military. They get a pension after 20, 25 years worth ~ half their pay. Then they go to work somewhere else for the next 20-some years. R SS recipients who get do little that they have to keep working.

Paywalled for me now, but shouldn’t be for you. The Houston Chronicle on how Beto & Bernie are canabalizing each other’s donors, etc. they have a whole 90 donors in common. Bernie has over 500,000 donors. I think he’ll survive. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Beto-O-Rourke-and-Bernie-Sanders-vie-with-each-13789858.php

polarbear4

Beto’s star seems to be falling.

humphrey

I guess that the standing on top of things gimmick is wearing thin. 🙄

humphrey

Torabs
Torabs

Ouch.

Hopefully the Bernie supporters are realizing that supporting Beto was a mistake. Faux progressives have no qualms about taking their new fame and knifing their former allies in the back.

magsview

Wow Leu, you packed a lot of information in that post! Thank you!!

jcitybone

Scary Bernie 😱 frightens Dem insiders much more than political scientists

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/opinion/sanders-2020-trump.html

When I asked them what they thought, political scientists were far less critical of Sanders than the Democratic operatives and consultants were. Matt Grossmann, for example, a political scientist at Michigan State, has a generally optimistic view of Sanders’ bid:

Sanders would be attacked as a socialist and even (unfairly but perhaps effectively) as an anti-American communist sympathizer, who wants to transform America into Venezuela. Republicans would attempt to make the election into a choice of saving America or letting it fall to socialism, rather than a referendum on Trump.

That said, Grossman continued, Sanders

has advantages. He is better known now and perhaps harder to make into a scary and foreign symbol. He has a very effective message on class and political reform that Clinton lacked. He could more effectively paint Trump as a corrupt plutocrat who sold out the people he promised to help to aid rich cronies. Besides his socialist image, his platform is well-honed for a message of change with clear benefits: health coverage, climate action, and soaking the rich to help the middle class.

Contrary to those who argue that Sanders creates fissures in Democratic ranks, Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia, argued that such divisions are unlikely to occur:

Trump himself will reunify Democrats, and polarization could deliver 90 percent of Democratic votes to any party nominee, even a controversial one. Party unity doesn’t guarantee victory, of course, but it’s an essential ingredient.

Robert Stein, a political scientist at Rice University in Houston, argued that a Sanders nomination would not harm Democratic candidates running for lesser offices:

There is no evidence (or reason to suggest) Sanders is any more (or less) of a drag or accelerator for Democratic turnout in Texas or nationally. Here in Texas he has the strong vestige of people who worked on his 2016 campaign and who have maintained an active presence in the 2018 campaigns.

Stein pointed out that

the biggest boost in Democratic voters in 2018 came from new registrants, persons under 45 and nonwhites. Sanders polls well with these voters. It seems more than likely that persons who voted in 2018 will show up for the 2020 Presidential election, a condition that bodes well for Texas Democratic fortunes.

Leu2500
Leu2500

You have got to read this bit:

Democratic primary voters and caucus goers are more liberal than voters in the general election, including the Democratic electorate as a whole. They are more likely to be comfortable with the idea of socialism and more tolerant of what the Daily Mail called Sanders’ “very 1960s love life,”

“Very 1960s love life” lol! Yeah, that Bernie. what a swinger: married his college sweetheart. Divorced. Then had a serious relationship with his son’s mother. Friends still with both of them. Then has been in a relationship with his current wife for about 40 years, 30 of them married. Compare that to the current occupant of the White House: 3 marriages. Children by 3 women. Affairs with porn stars. The Access Hollywood tape.. “Avoiding stds was his personal Vietnam”

Benny

Too bad I just missed Bernie! I was in Cambridge all last week!

jcitybone

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/massachusetts-playbook/2019/04/24/bakers-lunch-bernies-bay-state-swing-crunching-the-commute-numbers-427995

SANDERS’ CAMBRIDGE SWING — Sen. Bernie Sanders brought his 2020 campaign to Cambridge yesterday, telling supporters that he’s confident he can win in Massachusetts. But two other Bay State Democrats are aiming to use their home field advantage to win on Super Tuesday — and one lives right down the street from where Sanders held his event.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sanders found a lot of common ground during a televised town hall event earlier this week. But Sanders sought to put a little daylight between them yesterday. Asked how he’d address climate change if elected president, Sanders distanced himself from the Ivy Leaguers in the race.

“Not being a Harvard intellectual, I don’t use this word too often. We are dealing with an existential crisis,” Sanders told a group packed into Harvard Square’s Club Passim yesterday afternoon. Warren was a Harvard professor and lives in Cambridge, and newly 2020 candidate Rep. Seth Moulton has three Harvard degrees.

Sanders moved to lock up some support among state lawmakers on his Boston swing. Sanders and progressive state Sen. Jamie Eldridge ate lunch at Carrie Nation yesterday with a group of Beacon Hill lawmakers who endorsed the Vermont senator in 2016.

“While I have not yet decided who I will endorse for president, the hour-long conversation we had with Senator Sanders reminded me not only about why I endorsed him in 2016, but also how the ‘fringe’ issues that he championed in 2016 ($15 minimum wage, #MedicareForAll, free college) are now positions that most Democratic candidates for national office are taking,” Eldridge wrote in a Facebook post.

On top of that, Sanders threw some of his weight behind rent control, a hot issue among Beacon Hill and Boston elected officials. “We have to give communities around the country a lot of tools to deal with gentrification and deal with skyrocketing rents,” Sanders said. “Which means making sure communities, if they choose to do that, can pass rent control legislation.” Massachusetts voters ditched rent control in 1994, but the policy proposal has been making a comeback.

jcitybone

Beto vs Pete

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/beto-buttigieg.html

Mr. Buttigieg is more willing to confront other candidates, and his party more broadly, in ways that could resonate with moderate Democrats and perhaps some of the independents who can vote in either primary here.

Speaking to high school students in the backyard of a Nashua-area state representative the day after Mr. O’Rourke was in town, Mr. Buttigieg lamented that his party was not sufficiently worried about deficits and suggested that Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders were two sides of the same coin.

Voters wanted to “blow up the system” in 2016, Mr. Buttigieg said. “Which could lead you to somebody like Bernie and it could lead you to somebody like Trump. That’s how we got where we are.”

In an interview, Mr. Buttigieg said Mr. Sanders’s left-wing proposals were no longer as provocative as in 2016 — “people were refreshed by the novelty of that boldness” — and expressed skepticism that a self-described democratic socialist in his late 70s could win a general election.

“I have a hard time seeing the coalition ultimately coming together there,” he said.

When asked about Mr. O’Rourke, Mr. Buttigieg said he didn’t see himself “as competing against any one” of his Democratic rivals. But he added that he is an “executive in an industrial Midwest turnaround community” and has “deployed military experience,” all ways he differs from the former El Paso lawmaker.

Each candidate, though, faces a similar challenge: expanding their support beyond the mostly white, largely affluent progressives who have already rallied to their sides.

Both have drawn heavily white audiences to their first appearances in South Carolina, another early-voting state, where the 2016 primary electorate was over 60 percent black. But some in the party believe Mr. O’Rourke will find it easier to broaden his appeal to voters of color.

Word of Mr. Buttigieg’s clash with a black former police chief in South Bend has already spread among African-Americans. Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster, observed that Mr. O’Rourke had no similar vulnerability.

Leu2500
Leu2500

His masters must be very happy.

The matter of What To Do About Bernie and the larger imperative of party unity has, for example, hovered over a series of previously undisclosed Democratic dinners in New York and Washington organized by the longtime party financier Bernard Schwartz. The gatherings have included scores from the moderate or center-left wing of the party, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California; Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader; former Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia; Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., himself a presidential candidate; and the president of the Center for American Progress, Neera Tanden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html

jcitybone

Shakir Responds to Buttigieg’s attack

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/440398-buttigieg-says-he-doubts-sanders-can-win-general-election?__twitter_impression=true

Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg said he doubts fellow hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) can beat President Trump in a general election.

“I have a hard time seeing the coalition ultimately coming together there,” the South Bend, Ind., mayor told The New York Times.

Sanders’s campaign manager Faiz Shakir pushed back on Buttigieg’s assertion, touting Sanders’s record of fighting for the working class as the reason he will be able to win in 2020.

“At a time when Trump has lied to millions of Americans and sold out workers, voters are looking for a leader who they can trust will fight for them,” he said in a statement to The Hill.

“He is committed to standing up to powerful corporate interests, taking on the billionaire class, defeating Trump and creating a government that works for all people,” he added.

polarbear4

As opposed to, cough cough, some other candidates.

WindDancer13

Anyone who wants to mess with Lou Dobbs’ head should vote in his poll (3 hours left at 9:58 am):

#LDTPoll: Do you think felons should have the right to vote? #MAGA #Dobbs

— Lou Dobbs (@LouDobbs) April 23, 2019

Many of the comments are very funny.

Note: At the moment, the poll is not going his way.

humphrey

I don’t have a twitter account but I was able to find this.😜

https://twitter.com/Fuctupmind/status/1121070942921347072

WindDancer13

Same poll. Not sure why my post doesn’t show the tweet itself like yours does, so thanks for posting this so people can see it.

WindDancer13

Final Results 58% Yes. 42% No

jcitybone

It’s Yglesias so I don’t agree with a lot here but there was some stuff worth noting. I do agree that Bernie is a pragmatic politician who knows how to. count votes and will support the good over the perfect when necessary. I believe though that Bernie’s approach will yield a lot more good than the other Dem candidates.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/24/18510756/bernie-sanders-2020-democrats-neoliberals-chill

The anti-Bernie Sanders zeal seducing the Democratic Party establishment into lashing out at the democratic socialist is a political mistake that only serves to simultaneously strengthen him as a primary candidate while weakening him as a potential president — the exact opposite of what his intraparty critics want.

In that time, Sanders has sometimes staked out lonely courageous stands (against the Defense of Marriage Act or the Iraq War) that senators with less progressive values or less safe seats wouldn’t have. But he’s never pulled a Freedom Caucus-type stunt and refused to cast a pragmatic vote in favor of half a loaf.

Sanders voted for Obama’s Children’s Health Insurance Program reauthorization bill in 2009 and then again for the Affordable Care Act in 2010. He voted for the Dodd-Frank bill and every other contentious piece of Obama-era legislation. He sometimes cast protest votes against bipartisan bills that sailed through Congress with huge majorities (like the lame-duck tax-and-stimulus deal that the White House reached with congressional legislators at the end of 2010), but whenever his vote was needed to incrementally advance some progressive cause, it was there.

Sanders, by contrast, was not a troublemaker at all. He talked about his blue-sky political ideals as something he believed in passionately, but he separated that idealism from his practical legislative work, which was grounded in vote counts.

The policy area on which he’s had the most practical influence is veterans issues, as he chaired the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee for a two-year span, during which Congress enacted substantive reform to the veterans health system.

Given the objective constellation of political forces at the time, this required bipartisan support, so Sanders (working mainly with Republican John McCain) produced a bipartisan bill that in exchange for a substantial boost in funding made some concessions to conservatives in creating “private options” for veterans to seek care outside of the publicly run Veterans Affairs system.

polarbear4

I guess there was no other way to get them care. Seems like most veterans and veterans advocates are trying to stop any outsourcing and privatization of the VA.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Re “good over the perfect.” This does not mean that Bernie is a Pelosi or Obama.

Case in point: when Bernie was the head of the VA committee, he pushed for the biggest VA bill ever. He was not able to get it passed. Only then did he regroup, make the bill less ambitious. The 2nd version did pass & was still the largest VA bill ever.

Version 1: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/27/veterans-legislation-bernie-sanders-senate/5859217/

Version 2: part 1 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-bring-new-va-bill part 2 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-bernie-sanders-fought-for-our-veterans-119708

jcitybone

Yes push for the max and you will get the best deal possible

magsview

Yes!

jcitybone

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/joe-biden-is-a-phony-plain-and-simple/

Let’s be blunt: As a supposed friend of American workers, Joe Biden is a phony. And now that he’s running for president, Biden’s huge task is to hide his phoniness.

From the outset, with dim prospects from small donors, the Biden campaign is depending on big checks from the rich and corporate elites who greatly appreciate his services rendered. “He must rely heavily, at least at first, upon an old-fashioned network of money bundlers — political insiders, former ambassadors and business executives,” the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

Biden has a media image that exudes down-to-earth caring and advocacy for regular folks. But his actual record is a very different story.

Biden is the most reliable alternative for corporate America. He has what Sanders completely lacks — vast experience as an elected official serving the interests of credit-card companies, big banks, insurance firms and other parts of the financial services industry. His alignment with corporate interests has been comprehensive. It was a fulcrum of his entire political career when, in 1993, Sen. Biden voted yes while most Democrats in Congress voted against NAFTA.

In recent months, from his pro-corporate vantage point, Biden has been taking potshots at the progressive populism of Bernie Sanders. At a gathering in Alabama last fall, Biden said: “Guys, the wealthy are as patriotic as the poor. I know Bernie doesn’t like me saying that, but they are.” Later, Biden elaborated on the theme when he told an audience at the Brookings Institution, “I don’t think five hundred billionaires are the reason we’re in trouble. The folks at the top aren’t bad guys.”

polarbear4

polarbear4

Apparently, many of them were dissidents, not terrorists, including scholars, etc.

humphrey

humphrey

polarbear4

Jesus. If we weren’t completely corrupted, this would be the excuse we need to completely sever ties.

polarbear4

I should probably just say “all,” not many.

magsview

I read about one young man who was 16 yrs old when he was arrested while attending a protest. And most of them were Shiites, so you know what the means (blowback).

The executions were likely to stoke further regional and sectarian tensions between rivals Sunni-led Saudi Arabia and Shiite-led Iran.

Ahmed described Tuesday’s executions as a politically motivated message to Iran.

“This is political,” he said. “They didn’t have to execute these people, but it’s important for them to ride the American anti-Iranian wave.”

It’s feels like SA is trying to provoke Iran into some kind of response?

Ahmed said among those executed was Shiite religious leader Sheik Mohammed al-Attiyah. Among the charges against him was that he tried to form a sectarian group in the western city of Jidda, Ahmed said. Ahmed said the sheik publicly spoke of the need to work closely with Saudi Arabia’s Sunni majority and would lead small prayer groups among Shiites.

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-saudi-arabia-beheads-prisoners-terrorism-20190423-story.html

Heaven forbid a religious leader trying to promote co-operation.

polarbear4

polarbear4

Great, but he’s really joining the Republican lights.

Torabs
Torabs

I had to laugh at this. What put him over the edge? He was ok with the concentration camps at the border, the neocolonialist foreign policy, the savage indifference to the poor, the overt white supremacy, and the pillaging of the environment, but something, in 2019, put him over the edge.

polarbear4

Polling on Trump’s popularity? Thanks for filling in the record.

WindDancer13

His speech in that article is actually quite good and an honest assessment (from our point of view) of Trump. Brave man. The GOP is going to go after him hard.

humphrey

It appears as if it is not OK if Bernie says it! Anybody else different story.

Leu2500
Leu2500

More on today’s event at Texas Southern. starts at 1.

Leu2500
Leu2500

Oh, look. Now Trump is going to PA.

WindDancer13

The bright side: If Bernie can keep him busy dogging his steps that leaves Trump with less time to screw with our lives.

humphrey

jcitybone

Rubin screeching about Bernie again. She’s out to break her weekly diatribe record. This time about felons voting. No need to include this crap here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/24/is-bernie-serious/?utm_term=.c1fdb561469b

polarbear4

Shout out to @lonestarmike!!!

polarbear4

magsview

Hahaha, really? hahaha

They so messed up in 2016 with the (alleged) money-laundering …I mean money funneling through the state parties for Hillary. People more likely to donate directly to candidate now?

polarbear4

Leu2500
Leu2500
WindDancer13

In an alternate universe, Republicans would elect a Democrat. You know finance his campaign and endorse him. And then vote for him, of course.

Gee, sure hope he doesn’t leave Mitch McConnell out of his cabinet. That would be… ummmm…ungrateful.

polarbear4

And ungracious and uncivil!

Leu2500
Leu2500

And yet it’s Bernie who gets accused of not bring a “real democrat.”

nmb
polarbear4

Hopefully, the GND will incorporate a lot of the government as employer jobs. Good point.

polarbear4

WindDancer13

Nostalgia: Some things never change (including the media attacks on him).

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