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humphrey

I didn’t watch either of them. As far a climate is concerned I doubt much was said that we already haven’t heard during the primary and that fell on the deaf ears of the corporate dems. Oh BTW was was Joe’s rating from the Sunrise Movement?🤔🙄😁

humphrey

With regards to the blackout it was obvious to anyone who was paying attention. The only coverage that Bernie got from the MSM was framed negatively like his age and his heart attack. That said it is good that it is getting some limited coverage on Vice.

humphrey

humphrey

Another case of the fox guarding the hen house appointments.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/497683-trump-names-ex-pharmaceutical-executive-general-to-lead-vaccine-push

President Trump plans to tap a former pharmaceutical executive and an Army general to lead Operation Warp Speed, the administration’s program aimed at speeding the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

Moncef Slaoui will serve as chief adviser to the project while Gen. Gustave Perna serves as chief operation officer, according to an administration official.

Slaoui is the former chairman of GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccines division. During his roughly eight years on the job, he oversaw the development of separate vaccines that guard against gastroenteritis in infants, pneumococcal disease and cervical cancer.

He currently works as a venture capitalist, but serves on the board of directors for the biotechnology company Moderna. His appointment is likely to raise questions among ethics watchdogs.

humphrey

ffs tax these people out of their misery https://t.co/3U4EAwt4QD— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) May 14, 2020

humphrey

orlbucfan

He was MIA cos he was on a live broadcast talking climate change. Where was Patty Murray? She didn’t show either.

Torabs
Torabs

Pretty important vote to not show up for. Very disappointing.

humphrey

It hurts 😥 but it is not all that far from the truth.

humphrey

polarbear4

i only got to watch for free up to Ep 2. not sure if that is a second half or not.

Surprisingly, my only complaint was that they didn’t mention how nobody covered how Bernie was winning California and how he ultimately won it by so much. No one knows this. And it was happening at the same time that Biden was “winning” all those other states. it took away from his momentum, like so much else.

But I thought the rest of it was pretty darn good and if someone had not been watching Bernie closely they will learn quite a bit. I hope there is a second half and that I get to see it someday.

I really enjoyed, again surprisingly, reliving those rallies and different podcasts—just the diversity and the passion.

It’s bittersweet, but it’s important to remember the incredible, incredible thing that we were and are a part of.

polarbear4

humphrey

While reading the comments I came across this user who perhaps had a backup account.

This is more for the individual rather than this specific tweet.😁

I'm an independent voter of 22 years. Not a single concession has been made for my vote. No outreach other than harassment, threats, and doxxing. No policy.You'd think they'd be nicer not having policies to entice us…🤔 https://t.co/nF31nCqEhM— Biden's OTHER Hairy Leg 🦵🦺 (@BernieWon16) May 14, 2020

polarbear4

dang. i kinda like Fred Myers. another

humphrey

Torabs
Torabs

Got to love the East Bay!

orlbucfan

How come Patty Murray was missing on that vote? T and R, Ms. Benny!!

jcitybone

Obviously, the DSA itself should not endorse Biden, but many of its members will be voting for him.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/05/joe-biden-nyt-new-york-times-mitchell-abidor-third-party-dsa

Everyone knows that attacking leftists for abandoning decency will probably not convince them to vote for Biden. And if convincing people to vote for Biden is so important that it merits denouncing DSA in the New York Times for declining to do so, you’d think that such convincing is what Abidor would try to do. The fact that he himself declines to do so undermines his presentation of his position as the result of sober consideration, and DSA’s as driven by self-righteousness. Abidor attacks the Left for not wanting to elect Biden, but he himself cares more about attacking the Left than electing Biden.

The great irony of this is that many, many DSA members embrace a position that is not far distant from Abidor’s. As two New Jersey DSA members put it recently:

We believe swing state leftists should vote Biden, not because he deserves it but because a Democratic administration offers more fertile ground for the left than a Republican one, where we desperately scramble to fight for basic union, reproductive, immigrant, and queer/trans rights. For those seeking to build third-party power, we’ll do better under a Democrat as well, since Trump generates a false sense of “resistance” unity that obscures the deep divisions within the Dems.

Others in the organization disagree, of course, with some arguing DSA members should never vote Democrat, and others arguing that even in places like New York and California, DSA members should vote Biden. That’s what a big-tent organization looks like.

If Abidor (and his editors at the New York Times) were actually the cool-headed political realists they present themselves as, they might be focused on these debates in the organization, and they might take an interest in its activities and life beyond Twitter.

The fact that liberals pretend to be hardheaded realists while remaining as enthralled to the passions of their position as the wildest revolutionary goes a long way toward explaining the revulsion with which these kinds of arguments are received — even by people, like me, who are sympathetic to arguments for swing-state voting. We are accused of having abandoned decency by people practicing the rankest hypocrisy in their arguments. No wonder so many of us are contemptuous of contemporary liberalism.

Most socialists will undoubtedly react to Abidor’s argument in precisely the same manner he would react to us publishing a piece accusing him of betraying the international working class by voting for an imperialist party: by ignoring it. Abidor is free to use us as target practice so that he and other liberals can congratulate one another on how realistic and responsible they are, but he can hardly expect us to be interested in that exercise.

Meanwhile, if liberals think that Joe Biden needs DSA’s votes, they should try something new for a chance and actually work on convincing us. They’ve put considerable time and effort into thinking about how to win over Republican voters, and it wasn’t by calling them racist lunatics. If liberals want socialists voting for their party, they can start by showing us the same level of courtesy.

Torabs
Torabs

Good points.