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Benny

Related to Democratic Socialism,DSA member Lee Carter won his primary as VA state delegate:

And by a good percentage!

Lee Carter VA State Delegates primary results June 2019.JPG
WindDancer13

Excellent piece on socialism:

WindDancer13

In keeping with the theme of learning what socialism is (best to be well-armed):

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jcitybone

We will know who debates who on Friday

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/448062-democratic-debate-deadline-what-we-know-and-dont-know

Which night will the candidates appear on stage?

The DNC will hold a random drawing on Friday morning at NBC’s headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Plaza in New York City to determine where the candidates are placed on stage and which night they’ll appear.

It’s unclear whether the proceedings will be televised or streamed online, but representatives from the campaigns have been invited to witness the drawing.

To ensure that there is no appearance of an undercard debate, the DNC will divide up the highest polling and lowest polling candidates so that they’re evenly dispersed on each night.

The results are expected to be announced shortly after the drawing.

EyeRound
EyeRound

OK, I’ll say what everyone here is thinking:

“. . .the DNC will divide up the highest polling and lowest polling candidates so that they’re evenly dispersed on each night” = “The DNC will ensure that Biden doesn’t have to debate Sanders in the ‘debates’.”

The DNC no longer fears public knowledge of their rigging activities. Like Trump, isn’t it? “Sure, I’m an underhanded bully. Why hide it? That’s how I win!”

jcitybone

Well they are dividing the highest polling equally so they would have to actively cheat to ensure Bernie and Biden don’t get to debate. The draw is supposed to take place in front of campaign reps. I’m actually ok with Bernie on a different night than Biden. Mostly everybody has an interest in taking on Biden

Torabs
Torabs

Here’s hoping this backfires spectacularly. The debate without Bernie will be a nonevent, totally irrelevant.

jcitybone

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/10/want-to-beat-trump-learn-from-workers-in-republican-states

Far from being deeply divided into blue and red states, the most significant division in the US is between the majority who work to survive and a small minority of billionaires who profit off our labor. There is a massive, and mostly untapped, reservoir of support for independent working-class politics in this country.

Raising the specter of the electorate’s purported conservatism has long served as a convenient justification for the Democratic party’s stubborn refusal to embrace redistributionist policies. But winning in 2020 will require inspiring and organizing millions of workers who have been rightfully disenchanted with business-as-usual. Running yet another corporate Democrat would play straight into the hands of the right.

To defeat Trump, we need to give an electoral expression to the insurgent spirit and politics of the revolt already quietly taking place in many parts of America. This can only be achieved by an anti-establishment campaign focused on fighting for structural reforms in the interests of the working-class majority. Polls show that improving public education is an especially popular plank across partisan, demographic, and geographic divides. We might as well start there.

It will take a powerful grassroots movement to prevent the nomination of another made-to-lose centrist backed by the Democratic establishment and its corporate funders. Faced with such powerful opponents, it won’t be easy for a popular insurgency to win out this primary season. But defeating Trump may depend on it.

jcitybone

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/448054-senators-clinch-votes-to-rebuke-trump-on-saudi-arms-sale

Senators have locked in the votes needed for an initial move to block President Trump’s Saudi arms sales, paving the way for a high-stakes veto showdown.

The Senate is expected to take up the 22 resolutions of disapproval as soon as next week, to block each of the sales, after Trump invoked an emergency provision under the Arms Export Control Act to push through the sales without a congressional review period.

Because lawmakers are challenging the sales under the same law, they need only a simple majority to send the resolutions to the president.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), part of the group sponsoring the resolutions, predicted that as many as 70 senators may vote to block Trump’s arms deal.

“We’ll be somewhere in between 55 and 70,” Murphy told The Hill on Tuesday.

jcitybone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/12/scott-warren-year-sentence-hung-jury-aiding-migrants/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba274ab91501&utm_source=reddit.com

When Scott Daniel Warren was arrested last year after allegedly providing food, water, beds and clean clothes to undocumented immigrants near Arizona’s Sonoran Desert, the question was whether he had broken the law or upheld it.

“No Más Muertes,” an advocacy group that wants “no more deaths” of people crossing the desert regions linking Mexico and the southwestern United States, sees Warren — one of its most visible members — as an apostle of humanitarianism. His advocates say the geographer, who has taught courses at Arizona State University, was heeding both religious rules and international covenants that require sanctuary for the persecuted and the dispossessed.

The government, however, sees Warren, 36, as a felon. Arrested by Border Patrol agents in January 2018 at a property offering aid for immigrants in Ajo, Ariz., he was accused of helping border-crossers evade authorities, which is prohibited under federal law.

The activist faced up to 20 years in prison on charges of harboring and conspiring to transport undocumented immigrants.

At his trial, which began last month, a federal jury in Tucson was presented with two different versions of the accused. Had he acted on “basic human kindness,” providing only the necessities enabling migrants to survive, as his lawyer contended? Or had he aided and abetted those making a mockery of the nation’s immigration laws? Of the migrants he assisted, “They were not injured,” a federal prosecutor said, according to the Associated Press. “They were not sick. They were not resting and recuperating.”

Deciding who Warren is and what he did proved a task too tortuous for jurors, who said on Tuesday they remained deadlocked in their deliberations and could not reach a unanimous verdict.

The judge, Raner C. Collins, dismissed them and scheduled a status hearing in the case for July 2. The U.S. attorney’s office in Arizona did not immediately indicate whether it would seek another trial.

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jcitybone

In this poll, Biden and Bernie have big leads over Trump. The rest of the Dem contenders don’t even have leads

https://morningconsult.com/2019/06/12/10-months-later-trump-still-trails-biden-and-sanders-by-double-digits/

As President Donald Trump prepares to officially launch his re-election campaign next week in Ohio, a new Morning Consult/Politico survey finds him lagging behind the top two Democratic contenders in hypothetical matchups.

The poll, conducted June 7-9, found the Republican incumbent 11 percentage points behind former Vice President Joe Biden and trailing Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by 10 points among registered voters if the election were held today. In both cases, roughly a quarter of the sample of 1,991 voters was undecided.

Along with Biden and Sanders, the poll tested the five other Democratic candidates leading Morning Consult’s weekly tracking of the primary. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren statistically tied Trump, while Sens. Cory Booker of New Jersey and Kamala Harris of California, former Rep. Beto O’Rourke of Texas and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg all narrowly trailed him.

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orlbucfan

The orange moronic fatso is also scheduled to launch his re-election bid here in Orlando next week. BARFARAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WindDancer13

Pray for rain . . . lots of it. Pray to Zeus, god of thunderbolts.

wi61

To control the weather for one day!!!!!! Trumpcorp would get a full dose of a PO ‘ed mother nature!!!

jcitybone

EyeRound
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Hah!😄

WindDancer13

Lol. Got to love Bernie’s dry humor.

Maybe not even that if Congress does its job and goes after him and his wife for their crooked dealings.

jcitybone

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/06/booker-harris-sanders-jayapal-medicare-for-all/

The lead author of the House of Representatives’ Medicare for All bill has been reaching out to Democratic presidential campaigns in an effort to remedy what she views as misrepresentations of the legislation by some of the candidates. Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) tells Mother Jones that while she’s thrilled to see so many serious White House hopefuls talking about the idea, she’s worried that, too often, they’ve failed to accurately explain what it would mean for voters. So she’s asked to brief the candidates and their staffs on the details.

“We want to make sure we bring the best information that’s out there to the presidential candidates, so they know how to talk about this,” says Jayapal, an influential liberal who co-chairs the 95-member Congressional Progressive Caucus. “They should be accurate about it.”

In Congress, the term “Medicare for All” has a precise definition. It refers to legislation—introduced by Jayapal in the House and Bernie Sanders in the Senate—that would do away with employer-sponsored insurance and implement a single-payer health insurance system run by the federal government. But among the Democratic contenders who have cosponsored the Medicare for All bills in Congress, the definition has seemed far more elastic, with candidates equivocating on the proposals’ most controversial features.

Jayapal wouldn’t say which candidates she had reached out to—though she did note that she offered a briefing to her home state governor, Jay Inslee, who is running for president. (Inslee has not supported Medicare for All; in May, he signed a state law allowing Washington residents to join a government-sponsored insurance plan, also known as a public option.)

Jayapal also declined to identify specific statements that concerned her, but it isn’t hard to find examples of Medicare for All supporters whose rhetoric doesn’t always match the text of the legislation.

orlbucfan

Jayapal will be Speaker of the House if that is her goal. Watch. 🙂

magsview

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jcitybone

Warren is great in many domestic areas but she is definitely not better on health care.

magsview

Health care and environment/climate change are my top two issues.

jcitybone

This poll has Warren ahead of Bernie in Nevada. DK will be happy

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_nv_061219.pdf/

Former Vice President Joe Biden is the front-runner among likely Democratic caucusgoers in Nevada while Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren takes second place, just ahead of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. The first Monmouth University Poll of Silver State Democrats in the 2020 cycle finds that Warren has a particularly positive rating in Nevada compared to her standing elsewhere. Health care tops the list of concerns for Democratic voters, but the poll finds that immigration is more of a factor for choosing a nominee in Nevada than it is in other early states.

In a field of 24 candidates, Biden holds a clear lead with 36% support among registered Democrats and unaffiliated voters who are likely to attend the February 2020 Nevada caucuses. He is followed by Warren at 19%, Sanders at 13%, South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 7%, and California Sen. Kamala Harris at 6%. Other candidates registering at least 1% in the poll are former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (2%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (2%), entrepreneur Andrew Yang (2%), former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (1%), Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (1%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (1%), and author Marianne Williamson (1%). The remaining 12 candidates earn less than 1% or were not chosen by any respondents in the poll.

jcitybone

DK is convinced that Bernie is fading and Warren is surging based on this Nevada poll, an internet YouGuv poll, and their straw poll. Forget the Morning Consult polls and Quinnipiac polls that do not show that at all.

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-former-brazilian-president-lula-should-be-freed-after-leaked

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday called on Brazilian authorities to immediately release former President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva from prison and drop all charges after an enormous trove of leaked documents confirmed suspicions that the case against Lula was a politically motivated effort to prevent him from winning the 2018 election.

“Today, it is clearer than ever that Lula da Silva was imprisoned in a politicized prosecution that denied him a fair trial and due process,” Sanders told The Intercept, which reported on the explosive documents on Sunday after obtaining them from an anonymous source.

“During his presidency, Lula oversaw huge reductions in poverty and remains Brazil’s most popular politician,” added Sanders, a 2020 presidential candidate. “I stand with political and social leaders across the globe who are calling on Brazil’s judiciary to release Lula and annul his conviction.”

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magsview

I saw a tiny part of it before MSNBC cut away to introduce two people to express their…skepticism, about Bernie’s focus on “socialism” (that’s what they kept referring to, as opposed to democratic socialism). The male guest brought up ohow Bernie needs to appeal to more older people, people who remember the cold war. I yelled at the tv, “That was communism!”. Not happy about the conflation of democratic socialism to the cold war on MSDNC.

EyeRound
EyeRound

Yup, that was communism.

I think that the speech was really good and that it WAS (IS) pitched to the older people, while not excluding the younger set. All of the references suggesting that FDR is now “passing the torch” on to these times and Bernie’s statements that he’s continuing the New Deal–FDR, LBJ (great society) and now. . .us, to achieve economic and moral justice in this land of ours.

As I listened (enthralled, I must say) I kept remembering the Bernie campaign’s recent statements about winning older voters: something to the effect that “we won’t win the older voters outright, but we want to lose them by less [than in 2016].”

This speech, if nothing else, is guaranteed to accomplish that goal!

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jcitybone

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no way. talk about projection. we’ve got one job—keep this guy away from the WH

jcitybone

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/12/2020-elections-poor-peoples-campaign-forum-1361838

“The Poor People’s Campaign” next week is holding what the social justice group says is the largest 2020 presidential forum so far where candidates take questions, and frontrunner Joe Biden has agreed to appear.

Sens. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Michael Bennet, as well as Rep. Eric Swalwell, Andrew Yang, Marianne Williamson and Wayne Messam, have also said they’ll be at the June 17 event in Washington, according to the the organization.

jcitybone

Soon these three 1%ers will sashay away

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-speech-live-stream-defends-democratic-socialism-in-speech-george-washington-university-today-2019-06/

Some of Sanders’ challengers rivals for the nomination explicitly reject his embrace of the democratic socialist label.

Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney told CBS News that Sanders is being “intellectually dishonest” pitching democratic socialism.

“I’m a full-throated capitalist,” Delaney said. “What the United States of America is, is a free market economy. Where capitalism is able to work its magic, which is to innovate and create jobs.”

Earlier this month, former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper was raucously booed at the California Democratic Party State Convention after saying, “Socialism is not the answer.”

Four days later, Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet, himself a candidate, defended Hickenlooper.

“If John would have said that speech here [on Wall Street] he probably would have gotten a big cheer from these capitalists here,” Bennet told the news Cheddar. “It’s different from San Francisco.”

“There’s a Twitter universe out there that has move extremely far left. I think that is different from the base of the party,” Bennet said.

Neither Hickenlooper, Bennet nor Delaney have surpassed 1% support in any national poll this year.

polarbear4

Speech wasAWESOME. I want everyone I know to watch it, but not sure how to accomplish that.

EyeRound
EyeRound

Joyfully agree!!

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Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death

YES! YES! YES! BERNIE, BERNIE, BERNIE!!!

polarbear4

This has me boiling! How can they get away with this?

EyeRound
EyeRound

Wanted to share the video. It’s blocked by those “WMG” trolls!!😣

EyeRound
EyeRound

At the moment this video seems to work for today’s speech.

(Having trouble posting the link. It’s at the pscp.tv site–don’t know for how long.)

polarbear4

same. thanks for pscp link.

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jcitybone

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/06/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-speech-fdr

Last month, left-wing economist Joseph Stiglitz warned that the term “democratic socialism” poses too great an electoral risk to justify its embrace. He urged leaders like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to adopt softer vocabulary instead, suggesting that “progressive capitalism” might do the trick.

While Elizabeth Warren prefers the Stiglitz approach, naming a recent piece of progressive legislation the Accountable Capitalism Act, Bernie Sanders isn’t content to project the message that capitalism can deliver the transformative change that working people need and deserve. Instead, he’s doubling down on democratic socialism. On Wednesday afternoon, Sanders gave a speech seeking to define the term for a new era. “Economic rights are human rights,” he said. “This is what I mean by democratic socialism.”

polarbear4

OK. Last one. A nice long thread of quotes from the speech.

jcitybone

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/12/bernie-sanders-wants-americans-buy-into-socialism-hes-got-some-convincing-do/?outputType=amp

Within the Democratic Party, it’s a different story. Sanders is successfully driving the conversation about what it should be. He’s forcing his primary opponents to take sides on an issue that polls show is popular with three-quarters of the Democratic base but unpopular with more than half the country. (That nearly 3 in 4 Democrats — 74 percent — are okay with socialism is a testament to Sanders, too. In 2015, Gallup had that number at 59 percent.)

Is this a train that can be stopped in its tracks? Some 2020 candidates argue Democrats are shooting themselves in the feet by embracing this term and its related policies, such as Medicare-for-all.

“If we’re not careful, we’re going to end up reelecting the worst president in American history,” said former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper. (He got booed by a gathering of Democrats in San Francisco for saying that.) It’s also notable that the most vocal proponents of dropping socialism from the campaign trail are at the bottom of the polls right now.

Sanders argues that Trump has turned the political world upside down, and Democrats should, too. “If there was ever a moment when we needed a new vision to bring our people together in the fight for justice, decency and human dignity, this is that time,” he said Wednesday.

The rest of the candidates are somewhere in the middle, supporting big-government policies such as Medicare-for-all but eschewing the term “socialist” or “democratic socialist.”

Sanders has also done a remarkable job of changing the conversation in Washington, D.C. The House has held three hearings on his plan to have government run health insurance, Medicare-for-all (including one the same day as Sanders’s speech.) Four other senators who are his 2020 competitors have signed onto his Medicare-for-all legislation in the Senate.

This could be the defining debate of the 2020 election. Trump is so happy with that. Sanders is fine with that. The rest of the candidates aren’t so sure. But given the way this debate is shaping up, they may have no choice but to pick a side.

polarbear4

The thing is, they are not really supporting Medicare for all.

jcitybone

1% Hickenlooper’s desperate bid for attention

magsview

magsview

Standing ovation after @BernieSanders quotes FDR on oligarchs:

“Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.” #DemocraticSocialism

EyeRound
EyeRound

I swear, most of the people in the audience forgot that Bernie had framed these words as coming from FDR and thought they were Bernie’s own words! And why not, I ask?

magsview

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Tell it Bernie!

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polarbear4

So mad of the networks didn’t carry the whole thing!

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jcitybone

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/12/what-joe-biden-really-means-when-he-talks-about-bipartisanship/?utm_source=reddit.com

Few of us — Trump excepted — are so cynical that we will say or promise anything in pursuit of a goal. There’s lots of evidence to suggest that Biden really does think he brings unique skills at bipartisanship to the presidential table. He did make deals with the Republicans aplenty in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. But they were deals like the Hyde Amendment and bankruptcy “reform” that made life harder for people in financial trouble or struggling with student debt, though not for the wealthiest. If members of the Democratic donor class are putting their faith in Biden, it’s hard to blame them. The real question is whether voters will continue to support Biden as it becomes clearer and clearer that his promise of bipartisanship is simply another, more politically palatable way of saying that the rich will continue to come first.

polarbear4

Finally, it looks like this is a good link for the speech.

wi61

WOW just finished listening, Bernies best to date!!!!!

polarbear4

Didn’t know Lee Fang was maybe skeptical of Bernie or something?

polarbear4

Is this on the MSM?

jcitybone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/12/bernie-sanders-injects-big-idea-into-presidential-race/?utm_source=reddit.com

Bernie Sanders’s big speech at George Washington University was billed as an address about “democratic socialism,” which naturally has shaped all the media attention. But in his address Wednesday afternoon, Sanders spent at least as much time talking about another, related ideal: economic rights.

As Sanders recounted, the charge of “socialism” has for decades been hurled at pretty much all progressive and Democratic efforts to expand the safety net, raise low-end wages, combat inequality and shift the tax burden in a more progressive direction.

Many of those efforts — from Social Security to Medicare to progressive taxation — are now treated as inviolable features of the American political economy, even though they were once denounced (and still are in certain quarters) as hopelessly radical threats to the American way of life. Much of Sanders’s speech tried to reclaim that history, to prepare voters for a general election (should he be the nominee), in which he hopes to roll out robust redistributive and interventionist policies that will once again come in for that same treatment.

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