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polarbear4

Reminds me to do the hard work of questioning my own intense reactions. Hard to even be aware of what’s going on inside, so I very much admire this.

That said, it looks like he may support Warren.

polarbear4

another reason for honey 🍯 not vinegar. although most feeling this won’t question themselves.

EyeRound
EyeRound

It’s worth it to look more closely at the people who are “Dems” and who also “viscerally want [Bernie] to lose”.

Some of these people are buying into the line that “socialism” will lose to Trump, so the Dem’s have to nominate a “centrist.” That line of fear is easy to overcome as soon as they realize that the Trump campaign will brand ANY Dem candidate as a “socialist.”

Another group is the identity-politics people, mostly women, mostly professional women, who can’t overcome their resentment at Bernie for supposedly “making Hillary lose” the last election. I have spoken to some of them and they can’t explain why Hillary lost even though she won the popular vote. The truth is that Hillary’s campaign was out-maneuvered by the Trump people. That was a problem with her consultants, it wasn’t down to Bernie. These identity-politics people are never going to vote for 4 more years of Trump, so if Bernie is the nominee they either stay home or vote Dem. Until Bernie is the nominee they are supporting a woman because she is a woman and ANYBODY can see–including a lot of professional women–that that’s not enough for a political decision.

The last group of “viscerals” is IMO the most dangerous–the wealthy Dem’s. They are weighing whether their wealth is more protected under a second Trump term or under a Bernie term. But they don’t want their “soul” to be composed of nothing-but-money. Their candidate was Biden until Kamala began the process of taking him out on Thursday. These people, mostly male, grew up and secured their wealth under the tenets of neoliberalism. They weren’t Republicans, who simply campaigned on pro-business platforms. Instead, they have a history of allegiance to the Dem party, supported by a belief that doing business, getting wealthy, and upholding the forward march of the (American) society toward “the greater good” were all tied together in the same package. “The greater good” meant that something vaguely called “everybody” would prosper under a Dem regime. Bernie’s moral objections to neoloberalism are bending these people over a barrel and they’re used to being coddled by politicians, not to moral thumbscrews.

None of these groups out of reach to Bernie’s platform. Even the wealthy Dems know that Bernie’s footing is in the real world and not in neoliberal ideology. If Bernie is the Dem candidate and they desert him to vote for Trump, then they have to look at themselves as shits, rather than as the vanguard of the world’s progress towards “the good.”

Thanks to Benny for today’s OT!

jcitybone

It’s amazing how much he has changed

polarbear4

WindDancer13

There was no Spring here in So. Michigan. Went from cold last week to the mid-80s (high humidity here makes it worse).

wi61

Same weather wise in my area of WI

WindDancer13

Bernie’s rally in NH on Twitch now streaming (12:50 pm est). Twitch followers now 73,727. = )

https://www.twitch.tv/bernie_sanders

WindDancer13

Over 3,000 were watching (although the Trumpers were not really….they were just there to get lessons from Chat).

wi61

For those of you that live in a closed Primary State–Get on the D train in your state so you can help Bernie in the primarys, your vote for Bernie will be crucial.

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polarbear4

Biden may well be telling the truth, here. But he tells it in such a way that you think he probably approved it then, too.

I feel a little sorry for him, because he does seem to have and inability to be a politician anymore, if he ever did have that

polarbear4

dang. doesn’t seem to have the ability. geez

EyeRound
EyeRound

Running with the crowd is no excuse. Sorry.

If you have no principles beyond “that’s what everyone does (did)” then you basically have no principals at all.

You haven’t even learned the first lesson from, say, the Germans after WWII. “Everybody else was doing it” was a common excuse from those who looked the other way when the Nazis arrested their neighbors and fellow townsfolk.

polarbear4

of course. I feel sorry for the worst people sometimes. 😜😊🦜

EyeRound
EyeRound

PB4, I didn’t mean my comment for you! Feeling sorry for “the worst people sometimes” is an admirable trait!

When I wrote “you” I was imagining speaking to Biden, or to the general “you”, but not in response to your comment.

I apologize. I’ll try to be more careful in the future. . . .

polarbear4

no worries! i was too sensitive—-too much twitter 😅

WindDancer13

I do not feel sorry for him, other than a natural empathy for people with handicapping issues. He could have sat back and held on to his reputation, but instead he claimed that 14 world leaders called and begged him to “save the world.”
As any reader of Greek mythology knows, hubris brings downfall.

Joe “My Time is Up” Biden is a liar, lacks integrity and is a narcissist. We already have one of those in the WH. Why would we want another? He only mouths words for political expediency, not from any heartfelt change of attitude or honest belief system. This is a person who has been trying for 30 years or more to become president. It is about him, not about us.

So no, I do not feel sorry for him.

polarbear4

Not sorry for feeling sorry for him. I feel that way for a lot of people who behave badly.

magsview

You would be an amazing end-of-life doula I’d bet.

polarbear4

Awwww, thanks 🙏

i’d like to get them post natal doula training, too. My fams still ask me over (one moved, one lost her job). Babies + me = everyone happy.

I have considered hospice training. Right now I am mediating and
perfecting my workshop for people considering divorce that I’ll be giving once a month with other presenters (financial, legal) at the mediation center.

excuse my defensiveness—took a nice break and feel much better. no more Twitter today. 🤗

polarbear4

Tyrannocaster

Proof: she was selling T-shirts the next day with “I was that girl” on them.

magsview

From jcitybone’s Politico link re: signs of backlash:

one of Biden’s supporters called the attack by Harris “too cute by half” after her campaign tweeted out — and quickly began merchandising — a photo of Harris as a young girl. “Couldn’t they at least pretend that it was semi-organic?” the Biden supporter asked, referring to the planned nature of Harris’ debate night ambush.

LieparDestin

Tyrannocaster

Chuck Todd…PAGING CONCERN TROLL…PLEASE PICK UP THE WHITE COURTESY PHONE. CALL FROM JONATHAN CHAIT.

jcitybone

🤣🤣🤣

magsview

polarbear4

magsview
magsview

polarbear4

I agree with this guy. Lots of lefties supporting antifa putting a guy in the hospital, apparently with a brain hemorrhage. Not me.

magsview

There’s way more to this story.

Calling Ngo a “journalist”….he’s a known provocateur.

https://twitter.com/leftkist/status/1145212443557187585

And I’m going to take the talk of concrete with a huge grain of salt for now at least:

Ngo comes across as an opportunistic grifter to me so far, his GoFundMe page is up over $121,000.

That all said, it was stupid and unfortunate that the Antifa people let themselves be drawn into the provocation and fueled the violence.

polarbear4

yeah, he’s definitely a provocateur. but geez, brain bleeding? if that’s even true. i’m more of a non violent protester and so far, it seems like antifa hurts more than helps. imho.

tbh, i don’t mind people knowing how to defend themselves, should it ever come to that here.

Lee Fang called them LARPers. i’ll have to look that up

polarbear4


LARP
/lärp/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a type of interactive role-playing game in which the participants portray characters through physical action, often in costume and with props.
“the genre we have chosen for our LARP is fantasy, also known as swords and sorcery”

magsview

Tbh, I’m still trying to think through the antifa thing, especially the ‘does it hurt more than it helps’ part.

polarbear4

yes. def good people on both sides. and when the cops don’t act….

nina may have said something. I’ll look tomorrow

magsview

Tyrannocaster

Raised? Removed entirely. The list of crap is endless, isn’t it?

Scrap the crap!

Tyrannocaster

You’ve all seen this photo of the Yalta Conference, right?

polarbear4

unusual for me to promote a promotion, but this is just beautiful.

magsview

WindDancer13

I wish she had asked this woman where she is from.

Anyway,, more to the point, any and ALL Democrats are going to be labeled socialists during the general election.

magsview

polarbear4

this is Carraige us for Cori. Harris has a big network, including Hill. I already sent her $3

polarbear4

😂😂😂courageous

jcitybone

Foreign policy: Bernie’s strong suit

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/30/we-need-real-diplomacy-not-just-photo-ops-says-bernie-sanders-trump-restarts-nuclear

“I have no problem with [Trump] sitting down with Kim Jong-un in North Korea or anyplace else. But I don’t want it simply to be a photo opportunity. The whole world’s media was attracted there,” Sanders said Sunday in an interview on ABC’s “This Week,” referring to the moment when Trump became the first sitting U.S. president set foot in North Korea.

“What’s going to happen tomorrow and the next day?” Sanders asked. “He has weakened the State Department…. We need to move forward diplomatically, not just do photo opportunities.”

Sanders—a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate—went on to note that Trump has not committed to diplomatic solutions to other conflicts, such as the U.S.-backed Saudi-led assault on Yemen and growing military tensions with Iran, which were sparked by the president’s violation of the Iran nuclear accord last year.

“Right now, while he is meeting with Kim Jong-un, he is still provocative in terms of almost moving toward a war with Iran,” Sanders said. “He vetoed legislation that I supported and that we won in the Senate and won in the House which would get the United States out of the horrific war in Yemen, which is led by the brutal dictator Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.”

WindDancer13

If the current WH administration wanted to work out diplomatic solutions, they wouldn’t allow Trump to go there.

WindDancer13

Another excellent take on the Dem debates. Parton may hate saying it, but I have had no problem equating Joe “TPP” Biden with Trump. Some really excellent points that I have not seen in other critiques of the debate.

jcitybone

Bernie and Warren supporters just stand back and enjoy

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/kamala-harris-joe-biden-2020-1391212

Kamala Harris might be reveling in her sudden burst of attention after roasting Joe Biden over racial issues on the debate stage last week, but a backlash is already brewing.

Biden supporters and Democrats who have attended the former vice president’s events in the days after the first nationally televised debate, are describing Harris’ assault on Biden as an all-too-calculated overreach after she knocked him on his heels in a grilling over busing and his remarks on segregationist senators.

“She played low ball, which was out of character. And he didn’t expect it, nor did I,” said Lee White, a Biden supporter who attended his remarks at the Jesse Jackson Rainbow PUSH Coalition. “She should not have gone that route. She’s much too intelligent, she’s been able to be successful thus far, why do you have to do that.”

One major Biden supporter from California who declined to be named for publication said Harris’ direct attack on Biden was a mistake that would haunt her.

“It’s going to bite her in the ass,” the supporter noted. “Very early on there was buzz … Biden-Kamala is the dream ticket, the best of both worlds.’’

After this week, “That shit ain’t happening.”

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magsview

Interesting.

magsview

This part:

But former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown — whose patronage of Harris helped put the then-Alameda County assistant district attorney on the political map in her early years — bridled at the suggestion that Harris may have muddled her political future with her attack on Biden. He told POLITICO that the vice president has no one to blame but himself for a lackluster and unprepared performance.

“They better hope she would accept [a VP nomination],’’ he said. “Otherwise, he’s a guaranteed loser.”

What game is being played here by Harris and her team?

But Brown, who also served as speaker of the California Assembly, said Biden’s stunned reaction only underscored that — on the issue of civil rights — he has so far failed to be completely honest with voters and should simply admit his past unpopular actions and positions.

“At this point, she may be the only life raft he has,’’ he added, “because, as of this moment, he’s on the Titanic.”

Sounds like some kind of political strong-arming.

polarbear4

wow. no kidding.

jcitybone

I like how they describe Brown’s relationship with Harris as “patronage.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/27/willie-brown-kamala-harris-san-francisco-chronicle-letter/2695143002/

Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown addressed his past relationship with Sen. Kamala Harris in a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday and acknowledged giving her appointments that furthered her career.

“Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago,” wrote Brown, who said he had “been peppered with calls from the national media about my ‘relationship’ with Kamala Harris, particularly since it became obvious that she was going to run for president.”

Harris’ office did not immediately respond to USA TODAY’s request for comment on Brown’s letter to the Chronicle.

Brown was married at the time he and Harris dated, but – because he had been “estranged from his wife” Blanche Brown since 1981, according to People magazine –the relationship was not kept secret. A Sacramento Bee reporter told People that Brown “had a succession of girlfriends” and would “go to a party with his wife on one arm and his girlfriend on the other.”

A 1994 Los Angeles Times report about then-California Assembly Speaker Brown’s “rush to hand out patronage jobs” described Harris as Brown’s “frequent companion” and said several people referred to her as Brown’s girlfriend. That report also cited a column from the Chronicle’s Herb Caen that called Harris “the Speaker’s new steady.” When they met, she was 29 and Brown was 60.

magsview

Oh, and this:

Former San Francisco Supervisor Leslie Katz, who has known the former San Francisco district attorney for years and is a member of Harris’ finance committee, defended the senator’s approach.

“(A)She was giving him a chance to address the issues that would plague him. … She was gracious, and she personalized it: (B)She said she didn’t think he was a racist,’’ Katz said. “What stunned me was that he wasn’t prepared for that topic, and he needs to figure that out, sooner rather than later.”

(My A & B)

A: Oh look how gracious Kamala was, how generous, she was actually trying to help him you see! /s

B: When Kamala looked at Biden and said, “I don’t think you’re a racist” a gasp went through the room, or maybe it was just me gasping, lol, it was the nicest way ever to basically call him a racist.

WindDancer13

I think the problem is that he does not recognize that he is a racist. That shows a lack of introspection.

Many, many of the things he said, if people did not already know they came from Biden, would be labeled racist. I can guarantee you if Bernie had said those things, it would be all over the news, painting him as a card-carrying KKK member.

Paraphrase: My white daughter would be dumber sitting next to a black kid in school.

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