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WindDancer13

From NYT email on the Des Moines forum on guns:

Nearly two dozen presidential hopefuls descended on the state fairgrounds this past week in Iowa. If a rival to Joe Biden is to emerge in the primary, it is likely to happen there.

Implied is that currently, Biden has no rival. Can they get any more obvious or oblivious? Stupid question. Of course, they can (cf. 2015-16).

magsview

The way Biden has tied himself to Obama has turned the race into a proxy fight between Obama and everyone else. If Biden fails it will make Obama look bad by extension, so TPTB will fight tooth and nail to prop Biden up.

WindDancer13

Didn’t HRC also run on propping up Obama’s legacy? That worked well.

WindDancer13

Not even subtle push back on progressives from what was once considered by journalists as an unbiased source, the AP. It used to be the go-to place to get the facts and just the facts.

Why does Stepford wives keep coming up in my thinking while I read this?

Sentries, not ‘squad’: Moderate Dems ones to watch for 2020

Spanberger is part of a group of first-term female representatives with national security backgrounds who flipped Republican seats last year and matter most on questions of impeachment and Democratic control. The alterna-squad consists of Reps. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, Mikie Sherrill of New Jersey, Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania and Virginians Spanberger and Elaine Luria — women possessing deep military and intelligence experience, now voices of moderation in a party often portrayed as veering sharply left.

I take issue with the term “veering sharply left” unless of course the terms are meant to mean that left is now being defined as helping people versus right meaning helping corporations. (Hardly likely from this source.) Then, yes, there has been a sharp turn to the left. We really need to help redefine “far left” so people understand just what it is and quit letting the media drive the narrative.

The women are part of a group within the caucus focused on the minutiae of election security, with a name that hints at how they see themselves: Task Force Sentry. They can often be seen shuttling through hallways together, engaged in quiet conversation, or sitting side by side in the House. They are not the first to speak inside private caucus meetings, but when they do, “people listen,” said Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Ill., who chairs the Democrats’ campaign arm.

Ah, got it. People listen when you are submissive and know your place. These women may very be good legislators and have good ideas, but they will never really be listened to.

And this says it all (emphasis is mine):

“What these women have managed to do is come to Congress as veterans with amazing national security expertise that would be valued in anybody,” said Clark, who has called for Trump’s impeachment. “But it is also unique and interesting that they are women. … They are respected.

You’ve come a long way, baby.

orlbucfan

Bustos praising them should be a red flag for any informed voter getting ready for next year. They are GOPuke Lite, nothing more. Stephanie Murphy who reps my district is the same ilk ‘cept she didn’t serve in the military.

WindDancer13

“Informed voter.” Aren’t those on the extinction list?

magsview

I am very suspicious of this flow of military intelligence candidates into the Democratic party. I don’t think of them as submissive at all, I think of them as agents trying to wrest control of the Democratic party. Of course, it’s really convenient that many of them are female. Makes the takeover more palatable to many.

p.s. Buttigieg is among that group that I’m suspicious of.

WindDancer13

The mannerism is submissive (and has the stamp of approval). Kind of like being passive-aggressive, sometimes people forget that their is manipulation going on.

magsview

It might be a good idea to keep an eye on these women. Pretending to be submissive can be effective in terms of keeping the light off themselves.

WindDancer13

That perceived submissiveness was prevalent in the 1950s and helped women get (at least some of) what they wanted/needed. There are many examples of how women were taught to maneuver through a system that devalued them in those old black and white sitcoms. To the moon, Alice!

orlbucfan

Alice always got the last laff on fatso Ralph in those episodes. My sis actually met Jayne Meadows when she lived out in So. CA. The stories about Jackie Gleason in real life were not complimentary to say the least. His fame went to his head big time!

polarbear4

MIC on ever higher steroids. frack.

wi61

Another way to “prop” up the MIC

Don midwest
Don midwest

Boeing, unable to manufacture all our military hardware, drugs

well, outsourcing does have limits. China has lock on drugs

U.S. Healthcare Industry Could Be Decimated by China Trade War

The big message of Gibon’s and Singh’s book is that the US relies on China for the production of active ingredients in drugs and in many cases, of the medications themselves, to the degree that we would have a public health crisis if supplies were interrupted. As Gibson said on C-SPAN:

Many people that we spoke to, both former government officials and some in industry said that if China shut the door on exports, within months, pharmacy shelves in the United States to be empty, and hospitals would cease to function.

And don’t assume generics king India would step into the breach. India gets many of the active ingredients for its pharmaceuticals from China. Gibson forecasts that China will overtake India in generics manufacture within a decade.

Don midwest
Don midwest

Joe Biden rides to the rescue of the establishment

Tyrannocaster

I started this series of tweets yesterday; it’s fun to watch the retweets go up in real time.

orlbucfan

How much does Richard Engel make? At least he publicly gets it about climate change.

magsview

WTG Tyrannocaster! You really tapped into something there.

wi61

For the kind of scratch the corporate media is paying these corporate hacks they will do their corporate masters bidding. If there told to dis Bernie they do. Basically these salaries’ put them in the top 5% approx.

WindDancer13

This is unimaginable for most of us. Big Pharma is thousands times worse than we think.

jcitybone

The Buttigieg comment is 🤣

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/is-joe-really-electable-gaffes-poor-kids.html

Electability is in the eye of the beholder. I’m far from convinced that there’s a tradeoff between how progressive a Democratic candidate is, and how likely he or she would be to prevail next November. Bernie Sanders is something close to a known commodity at this point, and he still polls quite well against Trump. Elizabeth Warren is proving herself a far stronger campaigner than many skeptics had predicted. That said, those in the market for a conventionally “electable” moderate have plenty of safer bets than an Iraq War supporter in ostensible cognitive decline. Amy Klobuchar consistently wins elections in Minnesota by a wider margin than the state’s partisan lean would predict. Cory Booker is an amiable orator with a gift for inspiring documentaries about himself and rescuing freezing dogs. Beto O’Rourke came within a couple points of beating an incumbent senator in Texas (and he’s starting to get really good at cursing). Steve Bullock has managed to win elections as a pro-choice, pro-labor, pro-gun safety Democrat in Montana. And Pete Buttigieg is easily the most lifelike android that Democratic consultants have ever manufactured.

None of these candidates inspire euphemistic whispers about whether they’ve “lost a step.” None has a half-century worth of controversial congressional votes that Trump’s henchmen can cynically exploit. Like Hillary Clinton before him, Biden will bring a record of supporting failed foreign interventions, catering to despised financial institutions, and demagoguing about “super-predators” with him to the general election. Which is to say: Nominating him will enable Trump to once again cast himself as the alternative to a discredited political Establishment — and his opponent as a betrayer of black voters — in targeted Facebook ads. Were Biden as sharp today as he was when debating Paul Ryan in 2012, one might feel confident in his capacity to rebut such attacks. But he isn’t.

Finally, Joe Biden is the only candidate in the Democratic field who can plausibly win the nomination without running an impressive campaign. By definition, an “unelectable” nominee is one whose core assets are more valuable in a primary than they are in a general election. If Biden stumbles into the nomination on the strength of his association with Barack Obama — and the goodwill he’s accrued with the Democratic faithful as one of the party’s elder statesmen — there’s a significant risk that the general electorate will be less forgiving of his contemporary weaknesses.

orlbucfan

Hola jcb! Saw your Iceland/Bernie pic. 🙂 Are you back home? What are Icelanders saying/doing about climate change?

jcitybone

Just got back. Amazing trip. Fun to wear coats in August. Didn’t notice too much about the environment. I know they recently put up a memorial plaque to the first glacier that has disappeared.

orlbucfan

I read about that glacier. 🙁 Are you going to post more pics once everything calms down at home?

magsview

Panel: New poll Bernie and Biden beats Trump

A decent discussion of Sanders vs. Biden (refreshing to some extent with so much of the media seemingly trying to focus all of the attention on Warren and Harris) about how Bernie and Joe are the frontrunners re: beating Trump.

They talked about how Biden has the edge with suburban women.

But one guest brings up the fact that he expects whichever Democratic candidate ends up on top will probably win the popular vote, but that the electoral college results may not work out so well, and for me that highlights a big weakness for Biden (a la Hillary).

Certainly when you look at the donor map at least, Sanders seems much stronger on the electoral college issue, with his countrywide support, while Biden’s donors seem to be concentrated in only specific areas.

I know that one host, Krystal Ball, is Bernie-friendly. The other host, don’t know his name, seemed pretty fair too.

Here’s an example of a Krystal Ball tweet for background:

magsview

This is what they were discussing.

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WindDancer13

His name is Saager.

As we DO have an Electoral College, the nationwide head-to-head polls don’t really mean a lot. That kind of boils down to a candidate’s ability to connect with voters across a large spectrum. I do not see Biden being able to do that. As the Rogan interview (as well as the spread of donations) shows, Bernie can.

Yet another pet peeve: News entities used to have these essential workers called copy editors. Part of the job was to make sure spelling and grammar were correct as well as some fact checking. I see so many errors in articles now that it is getting beyond ridiculous. Bernie and Biden (they) beat Trump . . . not (they) beats. Stupid mistake.

Note: Sorry, in a grumpy mood because I just saw a terribly stupid spelling error in one of my comments, and I am kicking myself.

magsview

I’m with you WindDancer! I try to avoid errors (and it bugs me when I see one of my own too), but when you see them on huge media company web sites?? There’s no excuse for that.

Mr. Mags has had to suffer through me pointing to glaring errors in articles many times, and hear me exclaim, “Send me your articles for proofreading! I’ll do it for you cheap.” lol

p.s. thank you for the Edit function LD! 😉

polarbear4

i have too many pt issues to worry much about errors when i’m on the phone. if im on the computer, it’s a diff story, but that’s not very often lately.

orlbucfan

That’s a BIG reason why I avoid Twit(ter). Talk about semi-literate and illiterate grammar, spelling, and punctuation!! Ye gawds!!

WindDancer13

Lol, I do not avoid it but I should. When I have to read something more than once or twice to make sense out of it I want to grab a red pencil (I never used red to mark papers when I was teaching). I could live with some of those if some original thought was included.

wi61

Proof, Just look at the Twit in chief. More mistakes than several people here combined.

WindDancer13

Perspective:

The number of Mexican unauthorized immigrants declined since 2007, while the total from other nations ticked up. Mexicans made up less than half of all unauthorized U.S. immigrants (47%) in 2017 for the first time, according to the Center’s estimate, compared with 57% in 2007. Their numbers (and share of the total) have been declining in recent years: There were 4.9 million Mexican unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2017, down from 6.9 million in 2007.

Meanwhile, the total from other nations, 5.5 million in 2017, ticked up from 2007, when it was 5.3 million. The number of unauthorized immigrants has grown since 2007 from both Central America and Asia. There were 1.5 million Central American unauthorized immigrants in 2007 and 1.9 million in 2017. This growth was fueled mainly by immigrants from the Northern Triangle nations of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. The number from Asia, 1.3 million in 2007, rose to 1.5 million in 2017.

Source: 5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.

I have not heard a peep out of Trump et al about the illegal immigrants from China and India which are just short of the numbers of people who came from Central America. Nor have I seen them in cages or the target of raids. As the Patriot Act video that I posted points out, the illegal drugs that are fueling the fentanyl/opioid crisis are coming from China. Why isn’t he calling them drug traffickers?

Tyrannocaster

Matt Stoller brings up a valid point:

WindDancer13

In what interview, forum, town hall or debate would you like to sit down for a couple of hours to go over each issue that Bernie does not spell out explicitly. Bernie is good at looking at the whole picture, so I do not doubt he has taken these issues into consideration.

Tyrannocaster

Fair is fair, and Stoller brings up a valid point, and he does it without anti-Bernie invective. Bernie is my choice but that doesn’t mean I have to accept every single thing without questioning. More worrying is that if Stoller is right, Bernie could have problems down the line.

WindDancer13

For your listening pleasure:

I could not figure out how to separate out just one song from the playlist, so the whole album is here. I have not listened to all of them yet, but definitely enjoyed the first one.

WindDancer13

Connecting the dots . . . seeing Trump through the eyes of US America’s past history (and some hope, toward the end):

magsview

So far this is the most positive tweet on Trump’s heartbreaking EPA rule changes that I could find:

magsview

If anyone has the time and energy, please let these greedy fools know what you think of them.

polarbear4

jcitybone

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457114-sanders-campaign-rejects-idea-its-losing-ground

Ben Tulchin, a pollster for the campaign, singled out the Monmouth poll on Monday, arguing it gave too much weight to older, establishment-minded Democratic voters in Iowa, without accurately taking into account the coalition of young, more diverse voters who make up Sanders’s biggest bloc of support.

“It was too old, it was almost two-thirds over 50 [years old],” Tulchin said. “It tilted older Democrat and more Democratic establishment-type voters.”

“Bernie does better with younger voters and voters outside the normal party system,” he added.

Tulchin pointed to a recent analysis of post-debate polling data by the website FiveThirtyEight showing Sanders gained more ground than any other candidate – about 1.8 percentage points – in the days after the Detroit debate. That same analysis showed support for Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) slipping post-debate.

“We started watching the polling data very carefully post-debate and it was a clear trend that Bernie was doing better,” Tulchin said. “No one was reporting that, so that was one of the impetuses of this call.”

orlbucfan

How about all the moldy oldies on here like me?

wi61

We never de-evolved when we aged like so many boomers have. 🙂 🙂 > I for one want clean air, water, M4A and so one for my grandkids.

polarbear4

polarbear4

jcitybone

https://www.newsweek.com/myberniestory-trends-americans-share-why-theyre-voting-sanders-2020-he-will-cancel-all-1453910

Tens of thousands of Americans took to Twitter on Monday to share why they’re voting for Senator Bernie Sanders in the 2020 presidential election, making the hashtag #MyBernieStory trend to the number one spot.

Earlier this morning, Sanders shared a newly launched social media campaign called #MyBernieStory on Twitter and asked his supporters to use the hashtag to explain how his presidency would change their lives. “This campaign is not just about me. It’s about us. Together we will defeat Trump and transform the country,” the senator tweeted. “Download the BERN app and record a #MyBernieStory to tell us why you’re part of this movement!”

With tens of thousands of people participating by either uploading a video or writing support for Sanders (or both), the hashtag quickly rose to become the number one trending topic in America later in the afternoon.

polarbear4

polarbear4

fellow (very active) orlc guy

polarbear4

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polarbear4


I saw this tweet and I realized that there are a lot of us who are a different kind of DINO.
We’re only in it because of the two party system and it does take a big weight off.

polarbear4


he’s got the birdie. 😊🦜🦜

polarbear4

ha! They do still use them. So wrap an ice sheet, already!

polarbear4

i like some of the other ideas, too. especially building them up with more sea water.

polarbear4

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