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magsview

Daily Kos Under Fire After Editor Smears Nina Turner

Armando Llorens, a contributing editor for Daily Kos, is under fire after posting several tweets smearing Nina Turner

Bernie Sanders supporters have a complicated relationship with Daily Kos. In 2015 and 2016, Sanders regularly won the site’s biweekly straw poll by incredibly large margins. Despite these victories, Daily Kos didn’t endorse Sanders.

By March, the website endorsed Hillary Clinton in an effort to shift focus towards the general election. Around the same, Daily Kos began banning users who posted criticism not deemed “constructive.” As a result, many Sanders supporters left the site.

https://www.fppolitics.com/daily-kos-under-fire-after-editor-smears-nina-turner/

la58

I haven’t login at dkos in well over a year. And the last was to see if I had been bojoed.

orlbucfan

I wandered over there to check out Benny’s comments. Man, even all the usernames I didn’t know slammed Armando big time. He is a long time birdbrain. Probably why Markos tolerates him.

WindDancer13

Sure, DK. Keep pretending like you have not encouraged this behavior in all your readers and posters. Armando was just a cheerleader, and you have plenty of those while he is on vacation.

humphrey

You are wrong about dkmich!

https://www.dailykos.com/user/dkmich

I left this bought and paid for propaganda site. If you are looking for me, I can be found at caucus99percentdotcom

WindDancer13

I was referring to Daily Kos, not dkmich. I follow her on Twitter because of her comments when I used to go to DK. I do not always agree but find some real pearls from her like the one I posted.

The context of my comment should have made that clear, but I guess not.

jcitybone

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/22/us/politics/joe-biden-trump-2020.html

But less than two weeks before Labor Day, when presidential campaigns traditionally kick into high gear, there are signs of a disconnect between his relatively rosy poll numbers and excitement for his campaign on the ground here, in the state that begins the presidential nominating process.

In conversations with county chairs, party strategists and dozens of voters this week at Mr. Biden’s events, many Democrats in Iowa described a case for Mr. Biden, the former vice president, that reflected shades of the one his wife, Jill Biden, bluntly sketched out on Monday. “You may like another candidate better, but you have to look at who is going to win,” she said, citing Mr. Biden’s consistent lead in early surveys.

A Monmouth University poll from this month showed Mr. Biden leading with the support of 28 percent of likely Iowa caucusgoers — virtually unchanged from the same poll’s results from April.

But Patrick Murray, the director of Monmouth’s Polling Institute, who recently spent time in Iowa, said those numbers did not give the full picture of Mr. Biden’s support in the state.

“I did not meet one Biden voter who was in any way, shape or form excited about voting for Biden,” Mr. Murray said. “They feel that they have to vote for Joe Biden as the centrist candidate, to keep somebody from the left who they feel is unelectable from getting the nomination.”

polarbear4

and they feel that way because the MSM is lying about how many Americans truly want Bernie‘s platform. Grrrrrrrrrr

jcitybone

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-climate-crisis-874986/

Climate advocate Jay Inslee may have dropped out of the Democratic primary, but it doesn’t appear like the controversial issue of [checks notes] saving humanity from an environmental apocalypse is going to fall out of focus. On Thursday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) released arguably the most ambitious proposal yet to tackle the climate crisis, setting himself up to succeed Inslee as the field’s most prominent champion of the issue.

Sanders plan distinguishes itself in how aggressively it targets the fossil fuel industry. Not only does it call for hiking up taxes and penalties on polluters, it taps the Justice Department to pursue litigation against them. “They have evaded taxes, desecrated tribal lands, exploited workers and poisoned communities,” the plan reads. “President Bernie Sanders will ensure that his Department of Justice and Securities and Exchange Commission investigate these companies and bring suits — both criminal and civil — for any wrongdoing, just as the federal government did with the tobacco industry in the 1980s.”

orlbucfan

How about cancelling a few oil company business charters and meaning it?! That would get some attention.

polarbear4

Many if us are taking notice of Susan’s classy and effective way of answering smears with a question, followed by a Bernie plan.


Most of them ask a caring question about the person, although this one does not.

magsview

While I admire and seek to emulate Susan Sarandon’s approach to nasty stabs from her critics, I often see those critics just using those “classy” responses to add more vilification upon those of us who support Bernie.

Case in point:

Needless to say, Jess is just another ShareBlue propagandist sellout.

magsview

But even Susan is pissed, and replied to that response with a series of links to nasty tweets from establishment type jerks:

polarbear4

true. and when we come to her defense in the comments, of course, that gives the hill bots a chance to say ”see? swarming bernie bros!” 😑

polarbear4

it’s frustrating. looking for that line where lies are debunked without giving them fuel. it’s so maddening.

WindDancer13

Suggestion: Just LOL their comment (unless, of course, they appear to be attempting humor). I actually got an upvote from one such person when I responded with a simple “LOL.”

First, it helps relive the frustration. Second, it doesn’t give them ammunition. Third, it will generally piss them off. Fourth, it subtly points to the ridiculous tone or message of their posting.

magsview

orlbucfan

They lost that election cos of stupidity and arrogance!

polarbear4

LOL

WindDancer13

Krystal nails it on Warren’s rise.

I do not see a lot of comments on her age . . . she is 70 . . . from pundits who claim that voters want a younger candidate. Is that being swept under the rug becasue she is a woman?

Hopefully, this next question comes off the way I intend it: Would it make a difference if she didn’t dye her hair and showed up to events with what is now her truer hair color? My hair was completely white by the time I was 40. When I started dying it a few years later, there was a distinct difference in how I was perceived. No, hair color does not effect policies, but it does tend to open more doors, especially with the well-to-do.

WindDancer13

Ruh oh. Democracy is about to take another beating as we are reminded that one person-one vote has always been a myth. Abolishing the Electoral College is not a complete solution (states with small populations need some sort of equality in the overall outcome), but this makes me lean more toward it. We need a 21st century hybrid way to handle getting closer to the ideal in voting equality.

This new direction is going to cause a LOT of problems.

Electoral College members can pick who they want for president, court rules http://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/electoral-college-members-can-pick-who-they-want-for-president-court-rules/507-e6ae8f28-807a-46fa-9241-6b975d481a50 via @KING5Seattle

DENVER — A U.S. appeals court in Denver said Electoral College members can vote for the presidential candidate of their choice and aren’t bound by the popular vote in their states.

The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that the Colorado secretary of state violated the Constitution in 2016 when he removed an elector and nullified his vote because the elector refused to cast his ballot for Democrat Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote.

The ruling applies only to Colorado and five other states in the 10th Circuit: Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

It could influence future cases nationwide in the unlikely event that enough Electoral College members strayed from their states’ popular vote to affect the outcome of a presidential election, constitutional scholars said.

WindDancer13

Related:

This should not be an either-or discussion. this is the 21st century, we need a solution that reflects the changes that have happened since the 18th century . . . some kind of hybrid system that benefits the nation, not just a few states.

magsview

Electoral College members “aren’t bound by the popular vote in their states” and can vote for the prez candidate of their choice?? That doesn’t sound much like democracy to me. What am I missing?

humphrey
WindDancer13

I do not think that the Founding Fathers had democracy in mind when they wrote the Constitution. The nation was to be a constitutional republic, and by their own words identify who is to be represented.

The word “democracy” does not appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

Torabs
Torabs

“(states with small populations need some sort of equality in the overall outcome)”

This is a perplexing statement to me. Equality means everyone has an equal say. Favoring a group of people in a national election because of where they chose to live is the opposite of equality.

WindDancer13

The US Constitution does not require equality (unless you are w white man with property).

I am not talking about favoring, but making all things as equal as possible. The US is a group of states under a federal umbrella. Each (state gov’t as well as the federal gov’t) has its own concerns, resources, requirements and agendas.

Should the people of Iowa be bound by what the people of New You and California want? What happens to Iowa’s needs when that happens?

Sometimes, many times, the choice of where to live is not what a person would prefer. Bernie has talked about this: About young people leaving the towns they grew up in because it is no longer economically feasible for them to stay even though that is what they would prefer.

What I am saying is we need a hybrid system that allows for balance. Going with a non-modified popular vote would not create balance.

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/22/sanders-and-warren-celebrated-returning-donations-employees-hedge-funds-linked

Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both returned donations to their 2020 presidential primary campaigns from employees at hedge funds profiting off of Puerto Rico’s debt, making the pair thus far the only two to do so among the crowded Democratic field.

In a statement, Boricuas Unidos en la Diáspora co-founder Luis Ponce Ruiz celebrated Sanders and Warren’s decision and warned other Democrats to take note.

“We are grateful for their campaigns taking the lead in returning the donation; we demand that the rest of the Democratic presidential camp follows their lead now!” said Ruiz. “If not, the Puerto Rican community will continue to press them and hold them accountable at rallies, town halls, via social media, and, of course, at the ballot.”

polarbear4

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polarbear4

simpler days.

polarbear4

right. there are 2children swinging from a lamppost. the good kind of swinging.

polarbear4

orlbucfan

Looks like a wrinkled ahole. No surprise.

polarbear4

WindDancer13

As long as Bernie’s name is not mentioned, MSNBC does a good job of supporting his policies. The video includes yet Another Republican fleeing the GOP. He actually talks sense about gun control.

An interesting side issue on this video is the call for a massive turnout of the youth vote in 2020. Interesting becasue MSNBC knows exactly who that would help.

Want to see meaningful gun control? Give a gun to every black and brown adult in the US and see how fast gun control happens. See Reagan, Black Panthers, gun control.

Note: For anyone who goes to the YouTube channel and reads the comments, Dezhavu13 is me so I do not feel the need to use a block quote to repeat myself. I often share my comments from YouTube and Twitter (LmWolfSpirit13) without attribution here.

magsview

jcitybone

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/22/just-false-sanders-campaign-hits-back-after-wapo-describes-pro-labor-proposal-change%3Famp

Sen. Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign on Wednesday emphatically pushed back against a Washington Post story that reported the senator made a “change” to his Medicare for All plan due to criticism from organized labor, a charge one Sanders adviser described as “bullshit.”

“This headline from the Wash Post is 100 percent wrong—know how I know? Medicare for All is a Senate bill with exact text and co-sponsors. The text hasn’t changed.”
—Josh Orton, national policy director for Sen. Bernie Sanders

The Post story came hours after Sanders unveiled his comprehensive labor platform, which includes a clause that states: “Unions will still be able to negotiate for and provide wrap-around services and other coverage not duplicative of the benefits established under Medicare for All.”

The Post characterized the sentence—which was plucked out of a section in Sanders’s labor platform titled “A fair transition to Medicare for All”—as a “departure” and a “seeming acknowledgment of a role for private coverage by a campaign that has railed against others for not taking a hard-enough stance against such plans.”

The Sanders campaign immediately and strongly rejected that description, saying the senator’s Medicare for All plan has not changed and does not leave the door open for private insurance.

“Bernie’s Medicare for All bill was introduced in April and hasn’t changed,” tweeted Warren Gunnels, a senior adviser to Sanders.

Josh Orton, Sanders’s national policy director, said the Post story “is factually wrong throughout.”

“It’s just false that M4A changed,” Orton tweeted. “It’s policy-illiterate.”

magsview

For polarbear!

polarbear4

🐻:0)🦜

are pb emojis too political? 😉

magsview

Remember this story?? wowser

WindDancer13

Bezos’ plan for the future:

humphrey

Democratic National Committee Votes Down Climate Debate. Activists Vow To Fight On.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/dnc-rejects-climate-debate_n_5d5cb8f0e4b05f62fbd7067d

A panel of the Democratic National Committee on Thursday rejected a proposal to host a single-issue debate on the climate crisis.

At a party conference Thursday in San Francisco, the DNC’s resolutions committee voted 17-8 against a resolution that has become a cause célèbre for activists and for more than a dozen presidential contenders who felt the traditional debate format failed to adequately address the looming threat of catastrophe. The issue could resurface during the full committee’s general session on Saturday.

It was a predictable outcome. Top brass at the DNC opposed the climate debate from the get-go, fearing it could sow discord in the base and hamper the eventual nominee in the general election.

HINT! Hint!

The establish candidates don’t want to offend their big donors.

Symone Sanders, a senior adviser of presidential candidate Joe Biden, was among those who urged the DNC on Thursday to vote down a climate debate, saying it would be “dangerous territory in the middle of a Democratic primary process.”

magsview

How ridiculous of Symone.

jcitybone

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Benny

Sell Out

humphrey

magsview

What an interesting link Humphrey, the political aspect to natural disasters. Certain people have a way of viewing such events as a way to gain access and/or profit.

Was relieved that this Boeing 747 ‘Supertanker’ will apparently use water.
(Some of the chemicals used nowadays seem very bad for the environment)

Bolivia’s President Evo Morales announced on Wednesday that Bolivia had contracted a Boeing 747 ‘Supertanker’ to help extinguish huge forest fires in the Amazon have that spilled over from Brazil. By Wednesday evening, the government confirmed that the tanker is arriving in the country and will be operational on Friday.

The ‘Supertanker’ can carry more water than any other aircraft in the world, capable of flying with 115, 000 liters, equivalent to a 100 regular air tankers. Prior to the tanker’s arrival, the military will fly planes over the region to assess where exactly the tanker should focus.

polarbear4

🙌🙌🏿👀🙌🏾🙌🏽🙌🏼🙌🏼👀🧚🏽‍♂️🔥🦜🔥‼️😎💕💕💕❤️

humphrey

I think that the reference is to Pacific time.

humphrey

Tim Black does not mince words. LOL

humphrey

WindDancer13

Trump’s plan for the coming recession: Cut Corporate Tax Rates

WindDancer13

Yes, it is CNN, but it is the first minute that I think people need to see where it is detailed how in 24 hours Trump has shown that he has truly gone off the rails. Two of them I had not see before and those two are truly, truly worrisome in terms of who we are dealing with here.

If you watch beyond the first minute, there are a couple of other interesting points but not near as enlightening as that first minute. I just wanted to note that being CNN, they couldn’t get the dig in that Dems should nominate a moderate.

humphrey

humphrey

Hard to imagine that he is leading in the polls. SMH

WindDancer13

Love the comments about making him run is elder abuse and should be reported.

humphrey

Poor orl. This is your Senator.

humphrey

humphrey

polarbear4

😂😂😂🤑🤑🤑🤮🤮🤮😂😂🤑

Benny

Now the Obamas have 3 homes, just like Bernie does!!!

Bernie and Jane’s place was $635,000 and no trimmings.

humphrey

jcitybone

Don’t know that it’s so rare, but whatever, the article is positive.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-wins-labor-love-frustrates-foes-medicare-all-play-n1045451

With that minor tweak, the iconoclastic Sanders executed a rare act of political dexterity to turn the narrative of him ignoring the pleas of his friends in labor on its head.

“I think it was very important politically,” said Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., a national co-chairman of Sanders’ campaign. “There was a misinformation campaign, and a cynical misinformation campaign, to imply Medicare for All would hurt union workers when it would help them.”

He also left Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., as the only leading Democrat with a Medicare for All plan that doesn’t have a union carve-out and earned himself some badly needed attention in the national media.

Republicans and his rivals for the 2020 Democratic nomination called it a flip-flop, while Sanders’ allies insisted it was simply a clarification of his existing position — he had previously said employers would pass savings on to workers without mentioning his plan to require that. But most important for him, unions welcomed the maneuver as part of a trend of candidates taking their concerns to heart.

“Labor’s positions have been clear and those are being reflected in candidates’ positions,” John Weber, press secretary for the AFL-CIO, said in a telephone interview with NBC News.

Sara Nelson, international president of the Association of Flight Attendants, said Sanders has long held his current position on savings being returned in wages or benefits but that it is just now being understood because voters and members of the media are diving into the details of his policy for the first time.

In interviews and text messages, several union officials said members are largely supportive of Medicare for All and similar proposals to shift toward a universal health insurance model — even if it means giving up private health insurance plans. The key question is the one Sanders sought to address: what happens to the money employers save.

jcitybone

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/22/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-fact-check-1472482

The claims that Sanders’ plan would allow more private insurance seems to stem from the fact that his new proposal lets union members negotiate for private health benefits as long as they don’t duplicate what’s covered under Medicare for All (which is, essentially, everything). But Sanders has permitted that all along.

The accusations that Sanders is flip-flopping are inaccurate. The new proposal doesn’t alter anything in the original bill and private insurance will still be virtually eliminated — even if does give union members a big advantage under the plan compared to non-unions workers with private insurance.

humphrey

humphrey

humphrey

Kamala for the 1%

jcitybone

😢😢😢

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/22/kamala-harris-health-care-1471421

For Harris, the health care morass is also threatening to become an ominous symbol for why, after her surge following the first debate, she’s fallen back since early July to where she started. She now polls closer to Pete Buttigieg and Beto O’Rourke than Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

humphrey

polarbear4

❤️❤️❤️

jcitybone

https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-bernie-sanders-rally-california/28791327

Presidential hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders was in California on Thursday, campaigning across the Golden State, where he unveiled his big plan for a new green energy future.

“We need bold and decisive action to combat climate change,” Sanders said in Paradise, California, where he met with survivors of the Camp Fire, California’s deadliest wildfire.

Later in Sacramento, Sanders attracted thousands of people who gathered in Cesar Chavez Plaza for a campaign rally. Sanders supporters were enthusiastic about his $16 trillion plan to avert a “climate catastrophe.”

“That money is extremely well spent because what’s scary is our planet is literally collapsing,” said Jonah Paul, a Sanders supporter from Sacramento. “We are facing ecological catastrophe. And we have to spend money like we’re waging war. So we are waging war against climate change.”

For supporter Tristan Brown, Sanders’ plan is the right approach to “save the planet from global warming.”

Brown said the plan was important for providing, “the next generation of jobs that are going to be in the industry sector. And that’s going to take some good investment.”

jcitybone

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article234163067.html

Vermont senator and 2020 presidential contender Bernie Sanders drew an overflow crowd to his downtown Sacramento rally on Thursday evening, part of a multi-day swing through California as he vies for the Democratic nomination to take on President Donald Trump next year.

“I’m here this evening to ask for your help to win the Democratic primary in California,” Sanders boomed to a fired up crowd filling Cesar Chavez Plaza — young people, parents with children, men and women in business attire, and retirees in wheelchairs.

But Sanders said he was also asking for more from his area supporters.

“It’s not just good enough to defeat Trump, he said. “We have to take on Wall Street. We have to take on the insurance companies. We have to take on the drug companies. We have to take on the fossil fuel industry. We have to take on the prison-industrial complex. We have to take on the military-industrial complex. We have to take on the whole damn one percent!”

polarbear4

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polarbear4

this is really touching.

polarbear4

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humphrey

polarbear4

😂😂😂😂too bad it’s rl.

humphrey

WindDancer13

Because of the cyclical nature of capitalism, the US is currently overdue for a recession. However, recessions can be mild and not create a situation like we saw in 2007. Except, between Trump’s policies and Wall street’s gambling again (see the latest Keiser Report), I expect it will be just as bad as that one if not worse, especially as the economic denial does not allow people to prepare. Part of that denial is in skewing the unemployment numbers.

Job creations for the last year have been revised massively . . . downward.

polarbear4

yeah. gop and msm are already screaming about the deficit. Bernie. Must. Win.

or we will have the same cycle, only worse.

humphrey

humphrey

polarbear4

humphrey

polarbear4

humphrey

Bernie hasn’t lost his touch with the people!

polarbear4

humphrey

humphrey

humphrey

Calling it a night as the site appears to be having issues.🤔🤐

polarbear4

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