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polarbear4

i’m pretty sure Stephanie Kelton does not agree with part of this thread that shows an MMT guy saying we don’t need exports. But I think it’s important to look at these arguments now and I hope Stephanie answers this specific claim, which is further down in the thread.

It’s interesting, because Matt says that Bernie thinks more like him, and that we do have to pay things back, while Stephanie does not, according to Matt. Pretty sure that is a simplification by Matt.

Obviously I am out of my league and did not comment on the thread LOL

polarbear4

still at it.

humphrey

Something to consider.

Benny

Ouch!

WindDancer13

If the entire speech was incoherent, and the only thing that made some kind of sense at all was the Obama assassination remark, what choice did MSM have but to go with that?

Tyrannocaster

I am astonished that the Kent State remark didn’t get major coverage; it should have. EVERYBODY who lived through that remembers it. To get that so wrong is over the top bad.

WindDancer13

People in that thread are talking about it. MSM went with the remark that would most easily be dismissed. Although, I think they are sadly mistaken in that conclusion.

Benny

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CNN will do anything to lump Trump and Bernie in a soundbite to make viewers think they are a lot alike when it comes to governance.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said he would use tariffs as a negotiating tool if he wins the White House but slammed President Donald Trump’s latest maneuvering in his trade war with China.

“What the President is doing is totally irrational and it is destabilizing the entire world economy,” the 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said in an interview that aired on CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday. “You do not make trade policy by announcing today that you’re going to raise tariffs by X percent and the next day by Y percent, by attacking the person you appointed as head of the Federal Reserve as an enemy of the American people.”
When asked by CNN’s Brianna Keilar if he would use tariffs to cut a deal with China during his own presidency, Sanders said that he would.

“Yeah of course, it is used in a rational way within the context of a broad, sensible trade policy. It is one tool that is available,” he said. “You’re looking at somebody, by the way, who helped lead the effort against permanent normal trade relations with China and (North American Free Trade Agreement).”

Actually, the anchor asked if Bernie would use tariffs as a “tool”, not necessarily just on China.

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polarbear4

plenty of poc out here shaming poc bernie poc, too. some Are now saying that they are only talking to the white mean Bernie Brose. I called BS

WindDancer13

Sometimes it takes humor for us to see a problem that we would otherwise not pay much attention to except maybe on special occasions (e.g., Oscar time).

This is from 2016, but serves as a good example of how racism is fostered by the entertainment industry (I would include video games in that).

Hollywood’s excuse that they need a big name star to make a profit is total bullshit, especially when you consider that a big star is going to cost them a huge portion of their budget. If the story is good, then the story will bring in the audience.

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polarbear4

it may be due to increased property tax, but then he should say so.

WindDancer13

Fox has better take on Biden than you will see on so-called liberal media. Bernie and Warren also take their hits, mostly for nonsense though. It is interesting to see a Republican/conservative’s prophecy that Bernie will be the nominee.

It is always good to see what “the other side” is promoting. The last remark about Warren being “a fake Indian” is a huge hint what will happen if she is the nominee.

From the comments:

L Paine
Warren endorses Reparations …Ok…so she should return all the money that she made (with adjustments for inflation) since she began pretending to be a Native American .
That would be a genuine apology.

WindDancer13

What is one thing sure to drive Trump over the edge (yes, I know he would have to back up to do so)? Primary challengers who start to erode his base.

Joe Walsh announces GOP primary challenge against Trump

The video in the link is worth watching.

“I helped create Trump,” Walsh told Stephanopoulos, “and George, that’s not an easy thing to say.”

From the video:

He is not capable of being decent.

WindDancer13

Well, it’s about time. Will yet another treaty be broken is the question though?

The Cherokee Nation wants a representative in Congress

The Cherokee Nation announced Thursday that it intends to appoint a delegate to the US House of Representatives, asserting for the first time a right promised to the tribe in a nearly 200-year-old treaty with the federal government.


The Cherokee Nation’s right to appoint a delegate stems from the same treaty that the US government used to forcibly remove the tribe from its ancestral lands.

As a result of the 1835 Treaty of New Echota, the Cherokee were ultimately made to leave their homes in the Southeast for present-day Oklahoma in exchange for money and other compensation. Nearly 4,000 members of the tribe died of disease, starvation and exhaustion on the journey now known as the Trail of Tears.

A delegate in the House of Representatives was one of the ways the US government promised to compensate the Cherokee Nation.


Right now, the federal government and Native American tribes largely operate as two sovereign nations that interact with one another, Rosser said. Representation in the House would incorporate the Cherokee Nation into the US government itself.


There are currently six non-voting members in the House. Washington D.C. and four permanently inhabited US territories — American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands and the US Virgin Islands — are represented by a delegate, who serves a two-year term. Puerto Rico is served by a resident commissioner, who is elected every four years.

Those representatives can’t vote on the House floor, but they can vote in committees that they are on, introduce legislation and engage in debate. Hoskin said he hoped the Cherokee Nation’s delegate would help advance the interests of the tribe and, more broadly, all Native Americans.


Will there be resistance to the move?
Maybe.

There’s reason to believe that the US might not recognize its treaty with the Cherokee Nation. In the past, the Supreme Court has upheld legislation that infringes on US treaties with tribal nations, according to Rosser.

Some organizations could mount legal challenges to the Cherokee Nation’s push for a delegate, Rosser added, potentially arguing that the move gives members of the tribe more representation in Congress than non-indigenous US citizens.

Rosser said it’s also likely that the Cherokee Nation’s appointment could face resistance from other tribes, particularly those who were also forced from their lands but weren’t granted their own delegate through a treaty.

Other tribes might argue that a delegate for the Cherokee Nation threatens their own relationships with the US government, according to Rosser. The Cherokee Nation’s delegate could end up becoming the de facto voice in Congress for all tribal nations, raising fears that the representative might favor the Cherokee Nation at the expense of other tribes.

polarbear4

Exciting times for tribal lawyers.

WindDancer13

What would it be like to have the EU as the Number One leader of the world instead of the US? This could be where it starts.

As the Amazon Burns, Europe Seizes Title of Climate Champion

PARIS — As the Amazon burned and the world faced an ecological disaster, President Emmanuel Macron of France bluntly criticized Brazil’s leader this week and threatened to kill a major trade deal between Europe and Brazil.

President Trump, on the other hand, posted a tweet only Friday evening, saying that the United States was ready to help contain the fires, but adding that “future trade prospects” between the United States and Brazil “are very exciting.”

The contrast highlighted the gap in leadership on issues affecting the global climate. As the Trump administration denies established climate science and has abandoned an international accord intended to fight global warming, European leaders have energetically stepped in to take up the mantle of leadership.

What happens to the US economy if we drag our feet long enough that the European countries take up a major portion of the manufacturing of green products? I believe that I read somewhere that China is already the biggest producer of solar panels. If Europe gets a large enough head start, the US will probably not be able to catch up.

WindDancer13

One word for the MSM seeking sympathy: Assange.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-allies-target-journalists-over-coverage-deemed-hostile-to-white-house/ar-AAGjq3C?ocid=mailsignout

WASHINGTON — A loose network of conservative operatives allied with the White House is pursuing what they say will be an aggressive operation to discredit news organizations deemed hostile to President Trump by publicizing damaging information about journalists.

It is the latest step in a long-running effort by Mr. Trump and his allies to undercut the influence of legitimate news reporting. Four people familiar with the operation described how it works, asserting that it has compiled dossiers of potentially embarrassing social media posts and other public statements by hundreds of people who work at some of the country’s most prominent news organizations.

The group has already released information about journalists at CNN, The Washington Post and The New York Times — three outlets that have aggressively investigated Mr. Trump — in response to reporting or commentary that the White House’s allies consider unfair to Mr. Trump and his team or harmful to his re-election prospects.


MSM is having to walk a mile in the shoes of those whom their own misleading stories have walked.

But the material publicized so far, while in some cases stripped of context or presented in misleading ways, has proved authentic, and much of it has been professionally harmful to its targets.


“If the @nytimes thinks this settles the matter we can expose a few of their other bigots,” Mr. Schwartz tweeted on Thursday in response to an apologetic tweet from a Times journalist whose anti-Semitic social media posts had just been revealed by the operation. “Lots more where this came from.”


Karma

In a statement, a CNN spokesman said that when government officials, “and those working on their behalf, threaten and retaliate against reporters as a means of suppression, it’s a clear abandonment of democracy for something very dangerous.”

Still think we are not a fascist state?

polarbear4

WindDancer13

Today’s random thought:

I keep reading that Bernie does well among the non-college educated. Warren has the college educated sewn up. Is this a fact?

Bernie’s number one occupational donors are teachers. When is the last time you saw a non-college educated teacher?

As for those Amazon and Walmart workers? There is an old saying that I ran into when I was considering law school: There are just as many law graduates tending bar as there are practicing law. How many of those graduates are currently working for Amazon and Walmart?

Anyone remember the articles in 2016 about people who worked on Wall Street who supported Bernie? All college educated. While some may have switched to Warren, I suspect many are still with Bernie.

Conclusion: The polls as well as the information from MSM (which then is picked up by independent media using MSM and polls as their sources) are skewed to advance the Bernie Bro narrative. We have already seen how this is being done with black and women voters, so what is one more misdirection?

humphrey

Bernie rallies with striking AT&T workers in Kentucky.

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But Bernie’s day was not quite done!

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MSNBC just won’t let go of the Russia! Russia! Russia! story.

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polarbear4

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humphrey

It is a start but long overdue.

polarbear4

humphrey

It should be keeper.👍👌😁

humphrey

polarbear4

That’s a shame. I had not seen that yet.

humphrey

A bit dated but this is her tweet.

polarbear4

magsview

humphrey

For jcb. Jennifer Rubin’s new column.

polarbear4

They had their fun about Mr. Tony Tig’s song and then they didn’t even play it, the cowards!

polarbear4

humphrey

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This Joe Walsh.

polarbear4

polarbear4

magsview

It seems like if it doesn’t happen near more populated areas they can get away with hiding it.

polarbear4

geez

humphrey

humphrey

Yesterday this was posted. The establishment💩 had a ready response.

The fact that Bernie (and his motivated supporters) do well in caucuses has nothing to do with it.😜🙄

polarbear4

scary stuff. the rigging is de riguer

humphrey

magsview

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humphrey

This is how the MSM controls the narrative.

humphrey

Last…… A good and fair read concerning Bernie in Salon.

It is difficult to translate the gist of the article in a few quotes so I suggest you read it in its entirety.

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/25/elegy-for-bernie-not-quite-yet-sanders-2020-poses-a-conundrum-democrats-must-solve/

Bernie Sanders’ 2020 trajectory doesn’t make much sense. That is, it doesn’t make sense to those people who still believe they know “how things work” in American politics — the people who haven’t absorbed the central lesson of the last three or four years, which is that nobody knows how anything works.

According to the “I’ve got this figured out” crowd, Sanders was a semi-irrelevant figure in the 2020 race. He was too old and too weird. He had bitterly divided the Democratic Party in 2016 and had — in some obscure way — helped elect Donald Trump. His supporters were entirely bearded young white men in Brooklyn, Portland and Ann Arbor, not-so-subtly contaminated by racism, misogyny and various kinds of unexamined privilege. Both his personality and his policies were well outside the acceptable range, and would send “suburban moderates” and “Obama-Trump voters” — those objects of bottomless Democratic lust — screaming back into the toxic cult of You Know Who.

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His supporters are not just disproportionately young (which we all understood) but disproportionately working-class and disproportionately non-college-educated. According to the Sanders campaign, the No. 1 occupation among his 750,000 or so individual donors is teacher. The No. 1 employer among his donors is Walmart, with Amazon, Target and UPS not far behind. (No other candidate comes within 300,000 of that donor number.) The early-campaign assumption that Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were competing for the same left-progressive voters also appears untrue: In general terms, Warren dominates among affluent, educated, middle-aged white people who identify as “very liberal,” while Sanders dominates among left-leaning people of color, lower-income white folks and younger voters.

polarbear4

last

polarbear4

we’ll kick your ass
and steal your shit. lol

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