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Don midwest
Don midwest

legal rights for Lake Erie

IN FEBRUARY, MORE than 60 percent of participants in a special election in Toledo voted to establish a Bill of Rights for Lake Erie. It was a unique ballot question that would grant Lake Erie the right to “exist, flourish, and naturally evolve.” The intent was to give Lake Erie and its human allies legal standing to file lawsuits against polluters.

well, can’t stop “progress”

EARLIER THIS SUMMER, environmental activists in Ohio were alarmed by the passage of a mysterious state budget amendment that would close a new avenue for residents to sue polluters. The provision invalidated a landmark anti-pollution initiative passed by Toledo voters just a few months before. Now, emails obtained in a public records request reveal that the Ohio Chamber of Commerce secured the cooperation of a key Republican lawmaker in a successful effort to slip the amendment into an appropriations bill at the eleventh hour.

The emails depict the chamber’s environmental policy director requesting a last-minute meeting with state Rep. Jim Hoops to discuss the Lake Erie Bill of Rights, the newly minted ballot initiative allowing citizens to sue polluters on behalf of Lake Erie. A legislative aide responded quickly, scheduling a same-day meeting. Despite the chamber director’s admission that his proposal would need to be submitted after the legislature’s deadline, the aide produced draft amendment language to share with him three weeks later. The chamber’s subsequent revisions made their way into the final bill, effectively nullifying the Lake Erie Bill of Rights.

“This shows the influence of the Chamber of Commerce writing our laws and undermining the democracy of the people of Toledo,” said Bill Lyons, a board member of the Ohio Community Rights Network, an environmental advocacy organization. After the May vote, Lyons filed a series of public records requests to try to figure out which lawmaker introduced the amendment. The emails were provided to The Intercept and The New Food Economy by the Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund, an affiliate of the Ohio Community Rights Network.

HOW OHIO’S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE KILLED AN ANTI-POLLUTION BILL OF RIGHTS

wi61

Anyone remember that lake Erie was declared dead in 1970 due to excessive and unregulated polluters?

Benny

That could happen again if the GOP continues to rule the Executive Branch.

Don midwest
Don midwest

something different – search and rescue in Yosemite

slide show given at a geography conference in UK by a mapper who used his skills

Case Studies: Yosemite Search and Rescue

jbob

Amy Goodman is nothing more than another talking head!

Yesterday she kept calling Greta Thunberg, “Thunberry”
What an effing disgrace!
I was under the impression that she was pretty good.
Now I see she (Amy Goodman) is just another talking head.
The audio has been carefully edited for replay on the Democracy Now web site.
I heard it live yesterday morning.

Tyrannocaster

Bizarre! No idea what’s that was about; I would imagine she’s getting significant pushback on that.

Don midwest
Don midwest

I respect Amy Goodman

She may have had a senior moment, but for decades she has been in the fight, and reported from dangerous places around the world, to get a story out.

Here long form interviews are among the best on the web. Spending a whole program with Chomsky or Greenwald or others is a real service.

I would never call her just a talking head

Benny

Agreed!

LieparDestin

Goodman/Democracy Now did great work in bringing Standing Rock to the forefront on discussion at the time

jbob

During the segment she was interviewing another student activist who was pronouncing Thunberg correctly and was still saying Thunberry! If that’s a senior moment it’s massive! It was like she was not even listening to what was being said. Perhaps she should retire.

Alex Went

Greta’s name is pronounced ‘Thunnberry’ in Swedish. Listen to how she introduced her own testimony in Congress today (18 September 2019) if you are still unsure.

WindDancer13

I do not think it is a senior moment. I think she is ill. For around a year now, I have noticed that she has developed a persistent cough.

As she is overall very careful with her pronunciations of people’s names (a feat that I certainly could not do nearly as well), this is a surprise. There could be a myriad of reasons for it, such as a denture or hearing problem. I do not see a pronunciation problem as a reason to throw out all of the good work she has done.

LieparDestin

Thats unfortunate as can be. I am curious to see how many outlets wrote about Gretas journey and arrival. Will donsome digging when Im not driving!

Alex Went

It is pronounced Thunberry in Swedish.

Tyrannocaster

orlbucfan

B-UTE-T-FUL! 🙂

polarbear4
polarbear4

Hope all is well, orl.

orlbucfan

Ugh and double ugh!! (grumble, grumble) 🙁 Latest skinny via Weather Underground (terrific site BTW) is it’s starting to slow down. Projected to hit the southern part of the state. Still, being an ornery natural cyclonic force, we still don’t know exactly where on landfall, or how strong it will be. Cat 4 is cropping up in knowledgeable weather circles.

humphrey
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Benny

This is why Der Herr cancelled his trip to Eastern Europe. If it were hitting NOLA or Brownsville, TX, he wouldn’t care.

WindDancer13

He probably stayed so he could direct his staff who are now scurrying around securely the valuables and lawyers stashing paperwork that he doesn’t want found in case his palace is overthrown by the bigly wet, um . . . water.

Don midwest
Don midwest

“The Supreme Court is not well. And the people know it,” the senators conclude. “Perhaps the Court can heal itself before the public demands it be ‘restructured in order to reduce the influence of politics.’ Particularly on the urgent issue of gun control, a nation desperately needs it to heal.”

4 dem senators on gun control and Supreme Court

SENATORS CALL OUT PARTISAN ‘PROJECT’ TO TIP SUPREME COURT IN FAVOR OF NRA-BACKED PLAINTIFFS
Whitehouse, Hirono, Blumenthal, Durbin, Gillibrand warn of long-term damage to the Supreme Court’s reputation in delivering for special interests despite longstanding judicial principle

the coup continues as more institutions are destroyed

Don midwest
Don midwest

A UK climate blog DESMOGUK begins a new series

The New Climate Activism

Just a start. Here is the preview

Extinction Rebellion and the global school strikes led by Greta Thunberg have ensured climate activism hit the headlines throughout 2019. But is any of this really new? Or is it just the same old people with fancy new logos?

DeSmog has created a special series to try and understand how this new wave of campaigning has affected protests across the UK.

polarbear4

polarbear4
WindDancer13

On the bright side, Bernie won’t be stuck between Warren and Biden as she shreds him as he was when he had to stand between Biden and Harris (Bernie looked very uncomfortable during that side show.).

I noticed in the last debate that Biden hung on Bernie’s every word, so imagine Biden’s discomfort when he has to turn his back on Warren.

The positioning also allows Bernie to be perceived as the underdog, and thanks to human nature, many people cheer for underdogs. Most people won’t know or understand the whole position assignment and polling results anyway.

Don midwest
Don midwest

Didn’t realize this about Islam

Have been reading the Middle East Historian Juan Cole who I believe has converted to Islam years ago. Juan has written about peace in the the Quran.

This is another academic in Islamic Studies at Indiana University

Three Phenomena That Have Puzzled Me

In this essay, I am going to talk about three phenomena, each in its way related to the role of questions and disagreement in Islamic society. Each has puzzled me. I will suggest that they all relate to the same underlying feature of the Islamic religion (a tolerance of permanent disagreement) and that they ultimately explain each other. I will list them now and then discuss each in more detail.

1.  Why did Muslim scholars endorse diversity in matters that would seem to have only one right answer: legal schools, texts of the Qur’an, authoritative collections of hadith, and the like?

2.  Why did Muslims adopt a curriculum for training ulema that stressed form over content, an educational method that stressed interpretive methods that only a handful of scholars would actually have practical use for?

3.  Why were Muslims successful in generating a consensus about the relation of religion and society in the Middle Ages but unsuccessful in doing so in modern times?

The Islamic Art of Asking Questions

Don midwest
Don midwest

a enormous problem is the lack of common ground between many groups

more from the article above

The Classical Islamic Attitude to Disagreement

Islam is a religion of unity and of law. What I propose to do here is give an account of how medieval Muslims came to a consensus about how to deal with disagreement, how they created an educational system that reflected that consensus, and how we might understand current Islamic issues in the light of the medieval Islamic understanding of disagreement.

Muslims, being human beings, disagreed with each other even in the time of the Prophet, but disagreement posed no intellectual problem in those glorious days: issues could simply be put to the Prophet himself, who would settle them. It was not until two centuries or so after his death, with the emergence of distinct legal schools, that the question of disagreement became a serious intellectual problem. Before that, disagreement certainly existed among eminent Muslim scholars, but the issues had been argued on the assumption that only one party could be right and the others must be wrong—in other words, without asking questions about the nature of disagreement as such. Gradually, though, fair-minded scholars realized they faced the risk of splitting Islam over fine points of law on which they had honest disagreements. Unwilling to do so, they conceded that disagreement over issues of law and other matters was going to be a permanent feature of Islam.

Articles today in WA Post about religious conservatives and Republicans, and other conservatives and Republicans. Trump has shown the true colors of the republican party and as they pack the courts and steal elections, if it continues, we will possible never get our republic back.

Bernie has an important contribution in his tolerance of disagreement. The establishment is doing everything it can to stop disagreement.

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