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Don midwest
Don midwest

under invasion?

after spending trillions on the military, do we need militia to save the day?

orlbucfan

No, we’re dealing with the 21st century version of the Fourth Reich. It’s international in scope, too.

wi61

It will be the last one and wont last all that long as mother earth will conquer it.

WindDancer13

Warning: You may find yourself humming this for the rest of the day.

magsview

It remains incredible to me that Biden is maintaining his position, but it appears that of the three points Harris lost two of them went to Warren and one to Bernie (or Buttigieg I suppose).

Tyrannocaster

Isn’t this one of those polls with shady metrics?

orlbucfan

I don’t buy into these polls. No way Biden is that popular. He’s lost two POTUS campaigns. He wasn’t a serious threat then. He sure isn’t now.

WindDancer13

Some of these pollsters are willing to make the Big Gamble. If they cannot manipulate people into choosing Biden, then they are going to end up being completely discredited.

magsview

It really hard for me to believe (Biden ahead by so much).

When jcitybone gets back I’m going to ask for a list of which polls are trustworthy. Benny is super-smart that way too. Might be better for me to limit poll results to the trustworthy ones that LD, Benny and jcitybone list.

Does anyone else here have a good list? I believe Quinnipiac is ok, right?

bernin
bernin

Here’s a list at FiveThirtyEight that shows how they rate each poll. (Quinnipiac gets an A-)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/

That’s how reliable they think the OVERALL numbers are. But they say the polls with low sample size (like Quinnipiac) can be way off for the subgroup breakdowns (African Americans, young people, etc.). (For example, the new Quinnipiac poll shows only 1% African American support for Harris, which is just way off. But their overall numbers for her are consistent with other polls.)

magsview

Thank you bernin, I appreciate what you’re doing. (fist bump)

WindDancer13

Yes. They are a part of Politico. Undecided is not allowed. Those polled MUST choose someone; that in itself will favor Biden. The absolute worst polls though are any of those who team up with HarrisX.

magsview

FWIW, this poll (HuffPost/YouGov-probably not too accurate tbh) shows less than 50% polled even have a “good idea” of who they will vote for at this point (the big blue block).

The big red block lists people who said that they are “still making up” their minds (~44%) and then another ~4% said “not sure”.

WindDancer13

A couple of months back, I used to delve into the polls, analyze them and post the results here. It didn’t appear people were too interested at the time, so I quit posting them; although, I do check many of them still for my own information. Most have issues that show a deliberate bias.

magsview

I’m a total numbers geek and enjoy analyzing poll results. So feel free to post away as far as I’m concerned! I’m still learning which ones to trust though.

After last week’s Night One debate I saw a slew of online polls and every single one showed Bernie as ‘winning’ that night’s debate decisively. And, as we now know, Night Two was a fiasco. So it’s strange to me that Biden seems to be holding tight when he looked so unsteady and that Bernie hardly seems to have moved. I can see why Warren went up (and Harris down). So I do have to wonder if these polls are only polling voters via landlines and solicit only older voters.

WindDancer13

I will make it simple: Do not trust any of them . . . even the ones you like. Note: Internal campaign polls are a different breed, though.) Pollsters are businesses and corporate minded. They are the ultimate in manufacturing consent.

However, they do have to show a glimmer of truth in order for anyone to take them seriously at all or be out of business, so they hedge in ways that are not so obvious to the casual observer.

magsview

Transmission received Wind Dancer!

jcitybone

Remember that for polls about who does best in the debates, they ask people who have watched at least part of the debates. People who watch debates skew older, wealthier, and more educated, which is definitely Warren’s demo (also Buttigieg) so she naturally will do great if she puts in a competent performance. Bernie’s demo is less likely to have watched so he won’t poll as well even though objectively he had just as competent a performance as Warren.

Tyrannocaster

I don’t know how true this is; it is Twitter. But make of it what you will –

magsview

Oh probably 😉 this is one of those times I miss jcitybone more than usual-jcitybone seems to have a good sense of which polls to trust.

polarbear4

😎new avi. passionate Bernie!

magsview

Mood 😎 ✊

jcitybone

Yeah, I really pay the most attention to movement in the same poll. The MC poll has been fairly static for a while. Warren has risen a little but definitely not at the expense of Bernie. This poll does show second choices. Bernie is now first place in Warren voters second choices (formerly Harris). Bernie voters still have Biden as their most popular second choice and vice versa, but Warren has definitely narrowed the gap for both. Right now according to this poll, the race is between leader Biden and Bernie/Warren who are the clear next tier with Harris fading a little.
The MC poll usually skews somewhat Republican. These results actually are better for Bernie than some others. Unfortunately, there are people supporting Biden because of “electability” and Obama’s VP.

magsview

Thank you jcitybone!

polarbear4

Reposting this bc I listened and ut is excellent—she is a very engaging economist. on Bloomberg TV.

She explains funding for M4A—that the insurance and pharmaceutical corpses will be facing the biggest losses, but even more interesting is just a peek at part of MMT.

As best I can, the government doesn’t “borrow” like a household does bc it put the money there in the first place. She explains much better with a simple example, like we are maybe in high school, but not condescending.

The whole “borrowing” thing that is drummed into us can be totally modified.

polarbear4

we are outsourcing in our most sensitive areas, apparently. on the website, just one of the many areas SERCO “services.”

Serco Completes Acquisition of Leading Provider of Naval Ship and Submarine Design and Engineering Services – United States

The tweeter may be on the opposite end from me, so i haven’t RT’d (yet), but i agree that this is very troubling. it’s a thread.

don’t know why he followed me—looks very right wing.

polarbear4

Wow! Tulsi is talking about how M4A takes away choice, among other things. And how she’s only looking at it from the “people” perspective, not a political perspective. Baloney! When you keep private insurance you hurt the people on Medicare and it is no longer Medicare for all.

I wonder if she feels slighted by Bernie or perhaps she was always going to do a turnaround, like Obama. Who knows anymore?

polarbear4

please make this not true.

WindDancer13

In April 2019, The Onion was acquired by a private equity firm, Great Hill Partners.

polarbear4

🤦🏻‍♀️

Tyrannocaster

MSDNC on Twitter is the new Onion.

polarbear4

magsview

In case you encounter someone who seems to believe propaganda about Canada’s h/c system:

polarbear4

polarbear4

Don midwest
Don midwest

What is going on with our economic wars against Iran & Venezuela?

First a word from Snowden

And our “public” radio

NPR Shreds Ethics Handbook to Normalize Regime Change in Venezuela
NPR needs no state coercion to toe Washington’s regime change line on Venezuela.

Benny

magsview

My understanding is that this is Pallone’s first primary challenger in twenty years.

WindDancer13

Interesting comments blaming a whole class of people for the country’s and one’s own problems. They are rather like the broad generalizations that Trump likes to use.

Tyrannocaster

No sympathy at all. It’s counterproductive, exactly the opposite of what they should be doing.

WindDancer13

For an early break:

polarbear4

well,at least closing the gap fast. 🔥🦜🦜

magsview

Influential former NH refugees, immigrants endorse Sanders 2020 bid

MANCHESTER — The New Hampshire campaign of 2020 Democratic hopeful Bernie Sanders confirmed it has landed a big catch of “New American” residents in the state who support his second White House run.

The announcement comes as National Co-Chairman and California Congressman Ro Khanna visited the state.

Khanna arrived Sunday to campaign in the first-primary state through Tuesday.

The new slate backing Sanders, I-Vt., includes representatives from the Bhutanese, Rohingya and Congolese communities, many who are former refugees who fled violence and persecution in their home countries.

This is the third round of endorsements for Sanders.

The first two rounds of support came from elected officials and community leaders.

“Bernie’s message of Medicare for All, a $15/hour minimum wage, tuition-free college and trade schools, and an economy that works for all of us resonates with New Americans because like millions of immigrants and former refugees before us, we came here to build a better life for ourselves and our families,” said Suraj Budathoki, who is constituencies director for Sanders’ New Hampshire campaign.

“Bernie believes in bringing people together to create a country that works for all of us. That’s why I am proud to work for him, and proud that so many members of my community are supporting this campaign.”

The latest endorsement list includes:

•July Blaise Nganyi Imembe of Concord, president of the Congolese Community of New Hampshire
•Ro Mohammad Mustak of Nashua, executive director of the Rohingya Society of Greater Nashua
•Geraldine Kirega of Manchester, African community leader
•Surya Thapa of Manchester, Bhutanese community leader and entrepreneur
•Krishna Nepal of Manchester, Bhutanese community leader and program director of the Maintaining Independence Adult Day Services
•Victor Mbuyi of Concord, past president of the Congolese Community of New Hampshire
•Rajesh Chauwan of Penacook, Bhutanese community and business leader

https://www.unionleader.com/news/politics/national/influential-nh-refugees-immigrants-endorse-sanders-bid/article_5e15f440-ce7e-54af-af9e-aabc3b4ef23e.html

magsview

Is this one credible??

WindDancer13

I have not found the underlying data yet, but according to the report they pooled 1258 (though it does not break that down into party, so no way to tell yet if that is what the results are based on) and has a margin of error of 5& *which is high).

This is interesting from the article though. Look at how misleading the article title is:

Biden leads Democrats as minorities favor most electable candidate vs Trump

Among racial minorities who identify as Democrats or independents, 23% said they would vote for Biden and 23% said they would support Sanders, which is up 2 points for each candidate from July.

The number of minority people polled was 494, which is a bit small.

Rising on The Hill YouTube talked about this poll today or yesterday. They are calling it a statistical tie (given the moe).

polarbear4

does this work?

WindDancer13

No, I checked it out earlier. It is only the graph, not the data sheet.

polarbear4

magsview

magsview

An Interview with Yanis Varoufakis

“We have to talk to people in a way that combines addressing these [economic] anxieties with the issues of the environment. Unless we manage to do that, we will fail.”

In Europe, all politics is now climate politics. The question is whether the left can ground the conversation about rising temperatures in a broader egalitarian vision that can counter tepid centrist technocracy and far-right xenophobia alike, and the response of each to the existential threat hurdling toward us. In its push for a Green New Deal, DiEM25 wagers that it can, but it has hit no shortage of road bumps along the way. Engaging in the largely symbolic European Parliament elections was one piece of an effort they’ll continue as the left attempts to craft the kind of systemic and internationalist climate response that science is demanding.

Kate Aronoff: DiEM25 and many others are advocating a Green New Deal, something you’ve worked on for several years. What do you think it is about that framing that is grabbing people’s attention, despite it being seemingly so American?

Yanis Varoufakis: What is important about a Green New Deal is that it concentrates the mind on the main task, which is to swiftly and efficiently find massive funding for a cause that is in the public interest. The New Deal began with Roosevelt in the 1930s in the midst of a Great Depression. The innovation of this thinking by Roosevelt, who wasn’t exactly a radical, was to concentrate on the fact that even during the Great Depression—when everybody was short of money—there was a mountain of idle cash, which could be converted into investment. So instead of thinking of a different social system, like changing property rights, he used the toolkit of the federal government, and in particular U.S. Treasury bills, to put billions of dollars into the service of investments in jobs, in building roads and hospitals, even art projects and so on.

Our version of the Green New Deal [in Europe] combines the original aims and inspiration of Franklin Roosevelt. We want governments to use public financial instruments to massively increase investment in good quality jobs, and technologies and facilities that are necessary for green transition in the fields of energy, transport, manufacturing, and agriculture. That is absolutely essential, and this is what we’ve been working on for years now.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/an-interview-with-yanis-varoufakis

Tyrannocaster

DNC Lawyers Argue Primary Rigging Is Protected by the First Amendment

despite the characterization of the Becks as peddlers of conspiracy theory, the defense counsel failed to mention the motion for protection filed by the Becks earlier in the litigation process. They also failed to note the voice-modulated phone calls received by the law offices of the Becks which contained a caller-ID corresponding to the law offices of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a defendant in the case. In light of this context, the Becks hardly appear to be peddlers of conspiracy theory.

But get this:

The DNC defense lawyers then argued:

There is no legitimate basis for this litigation, which is, at its most basic, an improper attempt to forge the federal courts into a political weapon to be used by individuals who are unhappy with how a political party selected its candidate in a presidential campaign.”

The brief continued:

…To recognize any of the causes of action that Plaintiffs allege based on their animating theory would run directly contrary to long-standing Supreme Court precedent recognizing the central and critical First Amendment rights enjoyed by political parties, especially when it comes to selecting the party’s nominee for public office.”

It appears that the defendants in the DNC Fraud Lawsuit are attempting to argue that cheating a candidate in the primary process is protected under the first amendment.

It seems here that the DNC is arguing for its right to appoint candidates at its own discretion while simultaneously denying any “fiduciary duty” to represent the voters who donated to the Democratic Party under the belief that the DNC would act impartially towards the candidates involved.

Adding to the latest news regarding the DNC Fraud Lawsuit was the recent finding by the UK Supreme Court, which stated that Wikileaks Cables were admissible as evidence in legal proceedings.

If Wikileaks’ publication of DNC emails are found to be similarly admissible in a United States court of law, then the contents of the leaked emails could be used to argue that, contrary to the defendant’s latest brief, the DNC did in favor the campaign of Hillary Clinton over Senator Sanders and that they acted to sabotage Sanders’ campaign.

The outcome of the appeal of the DNC Fraud Lawsuit remains to be seen.

WTF. WTF. WTF.

polarbear4

so it’s looking more and more like Tulsi will not be throwing her support to Bernie, but will stay in and suck votes. dang.

WindDancer13

Pretty sure that she will drop before Iowa. Also, the cut for the third round of debates will make it hard for her to qualify.

polarbear4

hope you’re right. maybe just her supporters working so hard for Gravel’s endorsement?

WindDancer13

From Gravel’s posts, his endorsement of her is not as full-throated as it is for Bernie.

Meanwhile, I am not 100% that she will endorse Bernie as I think she may be angling for a Biden VP bid. She may wait to see which way the wind is blowing.

She recently claimed that she did not go after Biden on his Iraq vote at the debate when she had the chance because he has since “apologized” for it. Snort!

polarbear4

yeah, what a turnaround from Bernie 2016! if she does that, she’s lost to me.

but she could make the argument that she could do all she could to roll back the MIC.

polarbear4

Bernie may have let her know that he wasn’t considering her….

WindDancer13

In which case, she should be shooting for Secretary of State.

polarbear4

yes! i wonder why they don’t seem to be communicating well. i hope he’s not avoiding her bc the Assad smear.

Biden is more in line with her stance on Israel.

WindDancer13

I have not seen anything to indicate that there is any kind of rift between Tulsi and Bernie.

A WaPo article pointed out that Tulsi and Beau Biden had a close relationship, so she might have some qualms about keeping the record straight on Biden’s actions.

polarbear4

they never quit.

WindDancer13

Reminder: Biden said he was A-OK with invading Venezuela.

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

polarbear4

❤️🦜💕

eve

Your Dad isn’t alone, will! Other lifelong Republicans I’ve spoken to like Bernie. And the father of a young man I know shocked his son in 2016 – he voted for Bernie in the primary because he trusted Bernie to tell him the truth.

eve

Thank you, LD!!!!
This is one of the most inspiring videos of Bernie’s Town Halls that I have ever seen.
All the speakers speak from the heart and their stories are touching.
Wonderful people.
We must do better.

WindDancer13

Oh, my . . .

Citing Racist Massacres and ‘Inexcusable’ Prevalence of Guns, Foreign Countries Issue Travel Safety Warnings for United States

Many in the US may scoff at the two countries that (so far) have posted warnings. (Note: The scoffing comes from the US devaluing these countries.)

The foreign ministries of Venezuela and Uruguay issued urgent warnings to people in their countries who may travel to the U.S. following the deaths of 31 people in the two mass shootings. Both countries informed their citizens of the “indiscriminate possession” of guns by the U.S. population and the refusal of the federal government to address the problem.

But they will have to sit up and pay attention to this:

In Detroit on Sunday, the Japanese Consul also alerted Japanese nationals with plans to travel to the U.S. that they “should be aware of the potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States,” according to the Los Angeles Times.

And an interesting stat:

A minority of U.S. households own guns, yet a 2017 study found that there were 120.5 civilian-owned firearms for every 100 people in the United States.

polarbear4

jcitybone

Also because Bernie supporters skew less wealthy, they have less money to spread around to different candidates and need to put their dollars to where they think it will count most.

polarbear4

WindDancer13

People are confusing the mental health issues of suicides with the actions of mass murderers. This will only add to the stigma that already exists around mental health issues.

polarbear4

Benny

Bernie in Long Beach, CA:

polarbear4

WindDancer13

Okay, I will admit that for me a lot of this is like listening to a program in a foreign language, but i can catch enough to say, “Uh oh.”

polarbear4


Some people just stay beautiful. Just a

polarbear4

that comment was meant for a Toni Morrison tweet i lost. sorry

but then paula jean is on track for same.

polarbear4

polarbear4

@LieparDestin

polarbear4

magsview

magsview

Ooops, wrong thread, lol, imma gonna leave it here anyway 😉

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