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jcitybone

“Bernie Sanders, Not Joe Biden, Sets the Democratic Party Line”

https://www.theringer.com/2019/9/13/20863859/democractic-presidential-debate-bernie-sanders-joe-biden

Biden’s rivals paid homage to Obama’s efforts to overhaul the healthcare system. They asserted Obama’s singular responsibility for Obama’s legacy, for better or worse. They denied Biden credit for, well, anything. Meanwhile, they regarded Sanders with measures of deference that elude Biden. “I want to give credit, first, to Barack Obama for really bringing us this far. We would not be here if he hadn’t the courage, the talent, or the will to see us this far,” California Senator Kamala Harris said. At the end of July, Harris withdrew her support for “Medicare for All,” if only to launch her own proposal which would permit private insurance. “I want to give credit to Bernie. Take credit, Bernie! You brought us this far on ‘Medicare for All,’” Harris continued. In these debates, “Medicare for All” has proved as influential in theory as Obamacare has proved in practice. Sanders has proved more vital than Biden in determining what the candidates even bother to discuss. Biden has proved inessential in most policy discussions, though he remains indispensable, in purely practical terms, as a bulwark against Sanders at the polls.

But Biden struggles to deny Sanders’s influence within Obama’s party, a point reinforced by Castro in the debate. “I also want to recognize the work that Bernie has done on this,” he said. “We owe a debt of gratitude to President Barack Obama. Of course, I also worked for President Obama, Vice President Biden, and I know that the problem with your plan is that it leaves 10 million people uncovered.” Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar opened the debate with complaints about “off-track” proposals and partisan extremes; she later formalized her opposition to “Medicare for All.” “I don’t think that’s a bold idea. I think it’s a bad idea,” she said. To bolster her criticisms, Klobuchar needed only turn to the party’s alternative figurehead, Obama, in her push for a public option. “What I favor is something that Barack Obama wanted to do from the very beginning,” Klobuchar stressed. She echoed Biden without ever deigning to defend him.

Biden may be popular among Democratic voters, but he becomes a marginal figure in the company of his Democratic rivals. In a quaint moment for an otherwise slick participant, South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg fretted about Castro’s hostility toward Biden. “This is why presidential debates are becoming unwatchable,” Buttigieg interjected. “This reminds everybody of what they cannot stand about Washington: scoring points against each other, poking at each other.” Castro relished the irony in Buttigieg’s seizing a debate stage to rail against the very existence of disagreement: “It’s an election,” Castro responded. Viewers might have struggled to discern which candidate’s example proved more Obama-esque: Buttigieg’s post-partisan posturing or Castro’s irreverent challenge to a front-runner on the defensive. They might struggle to accept Sanders’s vision for U.S. health care. But Biden offered viewers little reason to believe he might dominate the Democratic imagination as Obama once did—and how Sanders now does.

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/13/abc-and-dnc-should-be-ashamed-say-progressives-after-just-one-question-climate

A major climate refugee crisis is currently underway after one of the most catastrophic storms in recorded history ripped through the Bahamas, but the 2020 Democratic presidential debate Thursday night featured just one question and less than five minutes of discussion on the planetary emergency that is intensifying extreme weather, taking lives, and threatening to render large swathes of the planet uninhabitable.

“I don’t know how Tom Perez and DNC leaders can look themselves in the mirror after tonight,” said Varshini Prakash, co-founder of the youth-led Sunrise Movement. “When Tom Perez and Democratic Party leaders rejected a climate debate last month they promised us that they would ensure this issue got the attention it deserved. Tonight their check bounced.”

Angering climate campaigners, many of the 10 candidates on stage—including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose Green New Deal plan has been hailed as a benchmark for climate policy—were not given an opportunity to respond to the question.

polarbear4

and how many of these politicians and elites have vacationed in the Bahamas and now are OK with refusing entry to these desperate people?

jcitybone

The Democratic frontrunner cannot speak in complete sentences when he is feeling tired or defensive. And 90 minutes of debate is enough to make him tired. And a reference to something that he said about race in the 1970s is enough to make him defensive.

These were my three main takeaways from the Democratic Party’s third presidential primary debate in Houston on Thursday. And they’ve left me rather apprehensive about the prospect of the Democrats sending Joe Biden into battle against Donald Trump next year. A three-hour debate can be tiring. But a 14-month campaign would seem considerably more so. If Biden can’t keep his talking points straight for an entire evening, what shape will he be in after running the gauntlet between today and his televised showdowns with the president next fall? And if a pointed question from an ABC News anchor can reduce him to spasms of anxious blather, how well will he hold up when Trump comes after his family?

But that strikes me as a needlessly risky bet to make, given the party’s myriad other options. Polling continues to indicate that, contrary to conventional pundit wisdom, Bernie Sanders is a formidable general election candidate. Elizabeth Warren’s favorability has steadily increased throughout the duration of her campaign, as has her standing against Trump in the polls. But if you are more moderate in your ideological sympathies, or nervous about nominating someone “too progressive,” there are plenty of sharper centrists you can back. Cory Booker is a gifted orator. Amy Klobuchar is good at winning soft Republican voters in the Midwest. Beto O’Rourke is quite tall.

Before Thursday, none of Biden’s ideologically sympathetic competitors had dared to explicitly sell themselves as a more mentally “with it” alternative to Uncle Joe. But after Julián Castro (clumsily) went there during the debate, Booker embraced the “many people are saying Joe Biden’s lost few steps” line of attack.

jcitybone

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/12/20863709/democratic-debate-abc-biden-record-player

First, the Democratic frontrunner’s answer to a question about his alarming past comments on race — arguably the central issue of the Trump era — is a grab bag of policies plus some word salad involving record players and Venezuela. He simply does not attempt to reconcile his comments with his current attitude; we’re still in the dark as to what he actually thinks about his old attitudes on slavery. It’s an especially notable dodge given that Biden launched his campaign in Charlottesville, positioning himself as the opposite number to Trump’s racial demagoguery.

Second, the nonsense parts of the answer (the record player reference in particular really made me think about some of Trump’s rambles) has to raise questions about Biden’s mental fitness for office, especially given his age. It’s an uncomfortable and difficult topic to talk about. But it’s an issue that, as my colleagues Tara Golshan and Ella Nilsen explain, Democratic voters are increasingly worried about.

jcitybone

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/third-democratic-debate-houston-big-moments-883834/

Joe Biden’s record on race has been an albatross of his campaign, especially on the debate stage. In June, he was eviscerated by Kamala Harris over his history regarding school bussing and his recent praise of a segregationist lawmaker. He didn’t fare very well on Thursday night, either.

When moderator Lindsey Davis told Biden she wanted to talk to him about “inequality in schools and race,” the frontrunner guffawed. Davis went on to bring up when in 1975 Biden told a reporter that he’ll “be damned” if he’s going to “feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago,” regarding slavery. Biden continued to smirk as Davis then asked him what responsibility Americans have today to repair the legacy of slavery

His response did not include any sort of apology or qualification of the comment mentioned by Davis. Instead, Biden offered a bizarre prescription centered around the need for more school psychologists, and also more…words.

“Social workers help parents deal with how to raise their children,” he said. “It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t know what to play the radio, make sure the television — excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night — make sure that kids hear words. A kid coming from a very poor school, a very poor background, will hear 4 million words fewer spoken by the time we get there.”

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wi61

If the status quo fits your narrative for the next president then Uncle Joe is your man. If you want to move forward and improve the human condition Then Bernie’s the one. He had a nice world view in one of his segments that really struck home with me. The mods certainly didn’t respond nor the crowd I think it went over their heads.

jcitybone

I particularly dislike the endless heartwarming or heartbreaking personal anecdotes.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/13/the-democratic-debate-was-boring-and-centrists-were-to-blame

For much of the debate, it would have been hard for someone tuning in for the first time to tell the candidates apart. A Julián Castro outburst aside, most Democrats stuck to banal slogans that most party backers would agree with. They spoke about their personal experiences, shared suspiciously pithy lessons imparted from their parents, and other inspiring cliches (“A house divided will not stand”).

The glimmers of life, however, came because of the presence of one them in particular.

The entrance of Bernie Sanders has injected new life into the show. As Clinton supporters were keen to remind people in 2016, “he’s not even a real Democrat.” But maybe that’s why his presence has had such an impact in the party.

It’s hard to imagine what the opening portion of the debate – an actually lively discussion around healthcare – would have sounded like without him. Though most rejected his call for Medicare for All and favored some form of public option instead, Sanders was actually invoked respectfully by most candidates (no doubt aware of his own popularity and that of the proposal).

Bernie himself was hoarse and not his usual self. But his impact was exactly what he had in mind when he decided to run for president in 2016. “Four years ago,” he told ABC after the debate, “I decided that I didn’t want the Democratic primary to be a place in which the needs of working people were not represented.” He discussed how his key issues – Medicare for All, climate change, good jobs – had become mainstream. And how he wants to continue to lay out the “need to take on the very powerful corporate elite”.

But in the long period in the middle of the debate, when he was seemingly iced out by the debate moderators, the Democrats sounded like, well, Democrats. They spoke to their base, they took few strong stances, they entirely avoided income inequality and the financial pressures that cause so much anxiety for working people. The economy eventually played a role, starting in the last hour, but only on issues of trade, with Trump’s tariffs at the forefront. The triangulated statements meant to offend as few people as possible that the ensuing discussion inspired sounded like the party debates I’ve heard for decades.

Early on in this primary season, many Democrats have tacked to the left. But tonight was a reminder that the equivocating core of the party has not yet been vanquished.

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/09/13/challenging-biden-iraq-war-vote-sanders-denounces-bloated-trump-pentagon-budget

Distinguishing himself from his 2020 presidential rivals on the issue of America’s obscene military spending—which continues to soar year after year with bipartisan support—Sen. Bernie Sanders touted his record as the only candidate on stage during Thursday night’s Democratic debate who has opposed all of President Donald Trump’s Pentagon budget proposals.

“I think… I am the only person up here to have voted against all three of Trump’s military budgets,” the Vermont senator said to applause. “I don’t think we have to spend $750 billion a year on the military when we don’t even know who our enemy is.”

In 2017, Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), and then-Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas.)—the only other 2020 contenders on stage Thursday who were in Congress at the time—all voted for the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2018, which handed the Pentagon $700 billion. Sanders voted no.

Sanders also voted against the 2019 NDAA and a procedural motion for the 2020 NDAA. The House and Senate still have to reconcile the 2020 NDAA before both chambers take a final vote on the legislation.

“I think that what we have got to do is bring this world together—bring it together on climate change, bring it together in fighting against terrorism, and make it clear that we as a planet, as a global community, will work together to help countries around the world rebuild their struggling economies and do everything that we can to rid the world of terrorism,” said Sanders.

“But dropping bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq was not the way to do it,” added the senator.

wi61

This is the part that went over a lot of peoples heads as I mentioned in another comment. We have to evolve in this direction.

I think that what we have got to do is bring this world together—bring it together on climate change, bring it together in fighting against terrorism, and make it clear that we as a planet, as a global community, will work together to help countries around the world rebuild their struggling economies and do everything that we can to rid the world of terrorism,” said Sanders.

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Benny
magsview

Thx, made one ‘good’ comment (shared WI poll from today’s thread) and one ‘snarky’ comment, couldn’t resist. 😉

wi61

The mods didn’t ban you for the Snarky one? 🙂

Benny

Mags is no longer a usual suspect at TOP. 🙂

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jcitybone

Presidential candidate Joe Biden is adding lies on top of lies to cover up his backing of the Iraq invasion.

At last night’s Democratic Party debate hosted by ABC News Biden lied about his Iraq record, just like he did at the first two debates.

During Thursday night’s debate, Biden claimed that he voted for the Iraq invasion authorization to “to allow inspectors to go in to determine whether or not anything was being done with chemical weapons or nuclear weapons.”

But the congressional vote happened on October 11 (see Biden’s speech then). And by that time Iraq had agreed to allow weapons inspectors back in. On Sept. 16, 2002, the New York Times reported: “U.N. Inspectors Can Return Unconditionally, Iraq Says.” (This was immediately after a delegation organized by the Institute for Public Accuracy—where I work— had gone to Iraq.)

jcitybone

From Bernie:

“Congratulations, California! No one should be allowed to profit off of the incarceration of other human beings. When I am president, we will ban for-profit prisons and detention centers nationwide.l

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/12/california-private-prison-ban-immigration-ice

jcitybone

From Bernie:

“Whether you have health care or not should not be decided by your employer. Whole Foods is owned by the richest person in the world, Jeff Bezos, but like millions of Americans every year, Whole Foods workers are having their insurance changed or cancelled. This is why we fight for Medicare for All. Medicare for All means stability — no one will ever lose coverage.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/12/whole-foods-to-cut-healthcare-for-1900-part-time-employees-in-2020.html

magsview

Benny

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WOW

Benny

TY, Mags!!

magsview

You’re most welcome Benny! Thank you for your debate thread last night!! It was a difficult one to watch, made me so lousy nervous, but had to do it.

Benny

I’m amused that Kyle calls him Bernie at the end, rather Sen. Sanders.

magsview

lol, I didn’t even notice that-I wonder if Berni..I mean Senator Sanders, noticed!

Benny

LOL. I’m not certain Kyle noticed either. 🙂

jcitybone

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-private-insurance-positive.html

The idea of eliminating private insurance is frightening because the idea of getting a new health plan, in America, is frightening. When people think about being taken off a policy that is currently providing their medical care—however annoying and loophole-laden that policy may be—they’re terrified, because we’ve all been conditioned to understand that the alternative is a paralyzing, vulnerable second-class status. The defining feature of American health care, even beyond the high costs, is the fundamental unpredictability it means for everyone.

This is where Sanders and Warren, who have otherwise educated voters about progressive policies so effectively as to change the parameters of American politics, have fallen short. They haven’t acknowledged that core fear of destabilization during their debate appearances. And so they haven’t made their answer to it—that M4A would mean people would always be covered, for everything—tangible. They haven’t told the narrative of what would happen if you were sick or injured in their vision of single payer: going to a doctor’s office or hospital without having to look up whether it accepts your insurance plan, receiving treatment without having to worry that you’re being subjected to a given procedure just to bill the insurance company for it, and leaving without being charged (then or by mail two months later) for a deductible or copay or enormous surprise out-of-network balance.

Rather than conveying the feeling of security that they’re selling, they’ve treated the private insurance question as one of efficiency and outrage: Under M4A, it would be unnecessary and illogical to keep private insurance around, and getting rid of it would stick it satisfyingly to some bad actors. They haven’t addressed the gut-level worry that the phrase “losing insurance” triggers—and explained that their proposal isn’t “kicking you off” your health coverage as much as it’s kicking everyone onto a plan that you can never lose.

polarbear4

A good chance for Bernie to educate well showing his softer side. Someone message that campaign!

polarbear4

haha i just did. the more, the better, tho! thanks, jcb 🦜🦜🦜

magsview

Benny

WISCONSIN
• Biden 44, Trump 42
• Bernie 49, Trump 43
• Warren 43, Trump 42

MICHIGAN
• Biden 42, Trump 41
• Trump 43, Bernie 40
• Trump 42, Warren 41

PENNSYLVANIA
• Biden 45, Trump 41
• Bernie 44, Trump 42
• Warren 43, Trump 41

(via @FirehouseStrat and @Be0ptimus) https://t.co/qn1qFSEFvx

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) September 13, 2019

wi61

I was surprised to see Bernie spoke this much, Clearly the mods provided Warren and Biden enough time to go off on one another.

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Benny

Except on climate change. 🙁

jcitybone

Copy cat Liz is at it again. Her plan is good but not as good as Bernie’s

https://truthout.org/articles/warrens-social-security-reform-is-not-as-ambitious-as-sanderss/

So, unlike Bernie’s bill, whose progressive taxation of plutocratic wealth would guarantee the solvency of the Social Security trust fund for the next 50 years, Warren’s more modest proposal would extend it for less than half that span, or for 20 years.

Therefore, her claim that she is proposing the “biggest and most progressive increases in Social Security in nearly half a century” is a bit overblown, and not just because it copies the Sanders bill without crediting it. Her language is a lot less class-conscious than his is. Instead of demanding that the wealthy pay more, she is politely “asking” them to, as though they actually have the choice to refuse. Her suggestion that plutocrats contribute more is also far less than what ordinary people might consider a “fair share.” This is especially true since this requested, allegedly fair share serves to protect the long-term interests and the rattled psychic security of the rich in this age of rising civil discontent. Her tax reforms to benefit regular people are really no skin off rich financial noses at all. Best of all, the convoluted tax figures which she puts forth, unlike a true permanent scrapping of the cap, would be very much subject to back-room tinkering and bipartisan sausage-making and horse-trading, with maximum input from the minimally affected donor class and their teams of hungry lobbyists. The poor, of course, have no lobby.

Interestingly enough, Warren did not join with four other Democratic senators — current presidential contenders Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, along with Jeff Merkley and former contender Kirsten Gillibrand — in co-sponsoring Bernie’s original Social Security expansion bill in 2017.

polarbear4

it’s becoming more and more clear that she and her donors are BFF.

we barely knew you, Liz. truly sad for us and the world.

jcitybone

wi61

Bernie’s not slowing down,
town hall, 3-5 p.m., on Friday at the Carson City Community Center, 851 E. William St. Doors will open at 2 p.m.
University of Nevada, Reno’s Mathewson-IGT Knowledge Center, 1664 N. Virginia St., is scheduled for 5:45-6:45 p.m.All times are PT.
Hopefully he speaks softly and takes something to ease his vocal cords.

polarbear4

magsview

Bernie not liking this new info.

polarbear4

I wish the debate audiences could see this side of Bernie. Brings me to tears.

polarbear4

magsview

Cute but we know there are other sides of Bernie! 😉

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polarbear4

polarbear4

similar to VietNam days.

Benny

I want this sign!

jcitybone

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-debate-interview-exclusive-884254/

The third Democratic debate was a bizarre affair, marked by whimsical outbursts by Kamala Harris (“Hey-y-y-y, Joe” seemed to catch everyone off guard), the unveiling of Yosemite Sam-inspired epithet (Cory Booker’s “Dagnabit”), and heated exchanges between Julian Castro, Joe Biden, and “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg.

One candidate who didn’t participate in the silliness was Bernie Sanders. Hoarse after a tiring stretch of campaigning — Bernie says he lost his voice after a huge rally in Denver three days ago — Sanders, as he has all campaign, doggedly pushed hardcore issues like Medicare for All, climate change legislation, and a reduced defense budget.

Sanders in this race has been all business. Despite numerous reports of his demise, and transparent efforts by some media outlets to write him out of the race early (a New York Times graphic before the debate placed Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden alone in a “center stage” graphic), he remains entrenched as one of the finalists in what increasingly looks like a three-candidate field atop the polls.

In 2016, Bernie had little trouble outlining for voters the differences between himself and a single familiar opponent, Hillary Clinton.

In the 2020 race, his challenge will be drawing contrasts with two very different candidates in Biden, an old-school establishment Democrat, and Warren, the ascending liberal challenger.

On his way to Nevada for a campaign event, Sanders spoke to Rolling Stone podcast hosts Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper by phone. In a special episode of Useful Idiots, he talked about fighting corporate talking points, the “huge” differences between himself and Joe Biden on policy, and his thoughts on how best to take on Donald Trump.

magsview

I recall at one point when the debate seemed to be turning into a variety show with candidates seemingly trying to outdo each other as to whom could entertain the crowd the most, who could elicit the most laughter, it was getting ridiculous, then it was Bernie’s turn and he just looked out at the crowd for a few long seconds, waiting for the giggling to die down. I thought it was a good moment for him. It’s fun to laugh, but this IS somewhat serious stuff, after all.

jcitybone

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/sanders-accuses-biden-of-distorting-medicare-for-all-plan/2019/09/13/0669dc68-d684-11e9-8924-1db7dac797fb_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders accused former Vice President Joe Biden on Friday of distorting his proposal to provide single-payer, universal health care through “Medicare for All.”

Campaigning in the early caucus state of Nevada, the 78-year-old Vermont senator said one of the things that “disturbed” him about Thursday’s debate was that he was hoping “to have a serious discussion about the health care crisis in America.”

“I was not pleased that Vice President Biden distorted what Medicare for All is and, in fact, simply parroted the line coming from the health care industry,” Sanders told about 300 people at a town hall meeting at the Carson City Convention Center.

“Apparently the vice president thinks it is just wonderful for people to be paying $1000 a month … just for health care premiums. Having deductibles of $4,000 or $5,000 or more — not a problem. Paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs — not a problem. Well, I think those are problems,” he said.

jcitybone

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-slavery-record-players_n_5d7aff41e4b03b5fc880b4b0

Former Vice President Joe Biden gave one of the strangest answers of the night in Thursday’s Democratic presidential debate, connecting kids listening to TV and record players as a way to erase the stain of slavery on the country.

“He’s talking about people in communities like mine listening to record players,” Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said to CNN after the debate, questioning whether Biden had what it took to be the nominee. “There are definitely moments when you listen to Joe Biden and you just wonder.”

jcitybone

Poor Kamala. Those donors are not heading to Bernie though LOL

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/13/wealthy-donors-unimpressed-with-kamala-harris-debate-performance.html

Sen. Kamala Harris’ debate performance on Thursday failed to impress many of her party’s big-money donors who were on the fence about her candidacy.

Going into the Democratic primary debate in Houston, Harris’ closest supporters privately acknowledged that if the senator from California did not come out swinging against her opponents and clearly define her policies, wealthy donors could shy away from her campaign.

Many of them were hoping for a repeat of the aggressive tactics she used in the first debate, when she took on former Vice President Joe Biden for his willingness to work with segregationists as a senator in the 1970s.

Now these sources say that those uncommitted contributors are still not convinced they can dedicate their expansive networks to her cause alone.

Harris has relied on contributors willing to give up to $2,800 — the maximum amount allowable by law — in order to finance her presidential run.

One source close to a political fundraising powerhouse in California, Harris’ home state and a region where she’s dominated in the fundraising game, said Friday that they had been having trouble persuading their donors to back her candidacy before the debate. The negative opinion didn’t change after the debate.

“I don’t think anything has changed, and it’s been grim,” this person said. Donors believe that on the debate stage Harris is still “unclear about her message and strategy,” this person said. They liked the “Trump focus,” this person said, “but there was too much odd laughter and canned lines.”

This person added that most of their donors want to help former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., or South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

polarbear4

hmmm. you’d think someone with his wealth and connections would get implants or at least dentures that are held in place with implants (stay in always). i knind of feel for him, but geez.

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jcitybone

Biden’s incredibly offensive answer is definitely getting noticed.

polarbear4

polarbear4

huh. could this be an actual good thing?

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polarbear4

shame.


what is it with “ Comfortable”? school especially is a time of challenging beliefs.

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polarbear4

Had no idea Bill show was so right wing. Krystal and Michael bring it home.

polarbear4

last i hope lol

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