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LieparDestin

Just throwing this here instead of the ‘open discussion’ as I think the two could be considered ‘related’

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/obama-clinton-campaign-charlotte/index.html

President Barack Obama makes his campaign trail debut with Hillary Clinton Tuesday, his own legacy at stake as he works to elect a Democratic successor.

Appearing onstage with Clinton in Charlotte after lending her a ride from Washington on Air Force One, Obama hopes to confer his relative popularity on a candidate still struggling to gain voters’ trust. He’ll tout the four years she served as his top diplomat as evidence of tough-nosed grit, and acknowledge that he himself is a Clinton convert after their nasty 2008 primary campaign.

Clinton’s campaign aides expect Obama to tell the story of his rival-to-friend relationship with Clinton on Tuesday in North Carolina, offering Americans a validating voice on the former secretary of state’s character, fitness and qualifications.

..

Polls suggest more Democrats trust the President than the candidate herself, and Tuesday’s campaign comes amid refreshed scrutiny of Clinton’s trustworthiness. Obama will issue his first in-person call for Clinton’s election just as his administration completes its investigation into her email practices. The probe brought her to FBI headquarters for an interview Saturday.

The awkward timing is unfortunate for Democrats, who believe Obama can rouse voters not yet clamoring for Clinton. Even as the White House vows utter detachment from the FBI investigation, the question of political interference looms as large as ever.

Former President Bill Clinton’s tarmac conversation with Obama’s attorney general, Loretta Lynch, only made matters worse.

But any question of waiting until after the Justice Department concludes its work was cast aside as Obama grows increasingly vocal in his denouncement of Donald Trump, and ever more eager to ensure Clinton is elected commander-in-chief.

Eagles92
Eagles92

I just scanned the article and may have missed it — is there a time for this scheduled appearance? I’m interested to know whether it was previously scheduled for a time later than what Comey has chosen for his announcement. (Meaning, will Comey pre-empt?)

Dro

Good question. I seem to recall previous anouncement of him to begin campaigning with her today-prior to the recent news.

Star Strider

Posted after yours was a tweet that Comey speaks a 11 AM and the campaign rally is at 2:45 PM.

It’s quite likely that the rally was scheduled long before Comey’s news conference was announced (the 3½-hour interview occurred only two days ago), so even if Obummer knows the substance of Comey’s statement, it would be awkward to cancel it now, in the absence of some sort of serious national crisis.

I’m hoping this is the very last flight on Air Force One for she-who-must-not-be-named!

Linda Thieman

Seems like the more Obama tries to prop Hillary up, the more evident it is that she is actually pulling him down.

Caerus
Caerus

Trusting Obama more than $hrillary ain’t saying much.
I “believed” in “Hope & Change” – an we got Rahm emmanuel as fist COS. Tim Geithner ( ex NY Fed who KNEW but did nothing!) at Treasury, pandering to Joe Lieberman, no Single Payer, and TPP
I’m done believing in ANY Democrat.
Bernie or Bust.

ZimInSeattle
ZimInSeattle

Hi Caerus, good to see you. Dollars to donuts Comey comes out with no there there, but one can hope. I’m done voting for any incumbent Democrat that hasn’t put forth legislation to go to public financed elections and any challenger that hasn’t promised to do so. As this whole primary has shown, the elections are rigged. Why bother voting at all? The outcome has been predetermined. #JillNotHill #BernieOrBust

eve

And Comey is not getting rave reviews either:
http://observer.com/2016/07/james-comey-sells-out/

AlphaLop
AlphaLop

Big charges! Big Charges! Come on, no Whammies! STOP! 🙂

I shouldn’t be pressing my luck like this.

Cali Scribe
Cali Scribe

So far just reviewing the process. Probably to assure folks that they were thorough.

Bern_So_Good

Comey certainly is giving a long statement of what they looked at, such as whether classified was either stored or used on that system intentionally or grossly negligent way or if there as evidence of hostile intrusion (hacking), etc.

Meanwhile, Hillary will be stepping off of Air Force One with the President—as this is being announced. At the taxpayers’ expense. For her campaign.

Is the timing of these two events coincidental?

Ken in MN
Ken in MN

To be fair, the Clinton campaign will have to reimburse a portion of the expense for using Air Force One, which is estimated to be about $200,000 per hour. Now we know where all of those Dollars for Hillary are going…

Bern_So_Good

True, a portion of it and the timing of it really pisses me off. This looks so stage crafted. The Bill-Lynch meeting, her FBI interview days later, and then the FBI results fall on the same day she steps off Air Force One with the President.

It looks corrupt. The AG and the President should have distanced themselves from her FBI investigation.

Sybil Liberty
Sybil Liberty

My government is an embarrassment. I’m sick to death of being an “Embarrassed American”.

Raggedy Ann

Me, too.

Caerus
Caerus

My government is an embarrassment AND CORRUPT TO THE CORE! We must somehow get the Democratic party out of the Klutches of the Korrupt Klintons, even if it means ( for a few years) saying the words President Trump. Short term consequences for long term gain –

The USA, if it elects the Clintons, again, will be an EMBARRASSMENT to the world.

Obama can keep his TPP, go back to his backers on Wall Street and make lots of money = just PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don’t let the CLintons get away with these crimes. So sad, Obama is destroying what little credibility he had left. I weep for him, and us.

Bernie or Bust.

Bern_So_Good

No intentional misconduct with regard to her attorneys’ sorting method.

Bern_So_Good

There is evidence they were extremely careless in handling of classified information!!!!

delphine

FYI, no one at TOP discussing this . . .

Bern_So_Good

They are now and all cheering about it. This is not good news for her campaign. Not being criminally charged is a low bar. The findings of the report that she was negligent, reckless, careless with classified information may well sink her campaign.

Hillary already has a trust problem—this certainly wont help her.

delphine

I know. Yay, our nominee is just careless and reckless!

(And lied to us!)

NVPainter

You and I might wish it would sink her campaign. But she and her people will consider her cleared. “See? Nothing here to look at, people….”

Bern_So_Good

Any responsible person in her position should have known there was no place for that!

Bern_So_Good

Does it rise to gross negligence!?!??!!!

Benny

Not enough to bring charges.

Benny

Sounds like what I expect that Clinton was careless with her server, she should have known better, but not necessarily attempting to conceal anything.

State Dept gets most of the blame.

reflectionsv37

Holy shit!!! Am I dreaming?

Caerus
Caerus

No, you are having a NIGHTMARE and it’s really happening!

reflectionsv37

At the time I posted that comment, Comey was still delivering his list of things Hillary had done that were wrong. At that moment, I truly believed he was going to announce a number of charges against her. I was completely dumbfounded when he said there would be no recommendation for charges. I’m still in a state of disbelief!

delphine

Please keep posting for those of us who aren’t watching! Thx

Bern_So_Good

It is IS POSSIBLE THAT SHE WAS HACKED!!!

gustogirl

Perhaps she intended to be hacked. From what I have learned she was quite insistent on not using State Dpt servers and absolutely insisted upon using her own.

All the intersection with the Clinton Foundation during her tenure – no emails about any of that? I see this as the reason she might have insisted on an unsecured server. As SoS she sure had a lot of quid to pro quo, and I assume a lot of that is information . A hack would leave her hands clean.

Caerus
Caerus

It is possible she was hacked ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE WAS TRAVELING is what he said.

Just think about THAT. Government Documents HACKED while she was traveling.

grapevines

yup…she did a lot of work from her unsecured personal Blackberry…all any foreign power (friend or foe) that wanted to ease drop had to do was know where she was, do a GPS fix and satellite right in on every word.

Cali Scribe
Cali Scribe

She screwed up — but it’s not criminal, just stupidity.

Once again, sigh.

delphine

It’s not illegal to lie to the American public.

Blueslide
Blueslide

and it pays very very well.

gustogirl

As Fox proved in a Florida court!

polarbear4

But as SoS, isn’t it her duty to know what the rules are? And if you know the rules and break them, isn’t that intent?

And if she didn’t know the rules, what the heck is she doing as our presumed nominee, much less SoS?

Bern_So_Good

Supposedly, she didn’t know that she was sending classified emails in an unsecured way. So there is no intent.

But, the fact she set up a secret server shows intent imo, in that she knew she was skirting the law because she set up equipment in her private home to hide her emails.

reflectionsv37

I posted a few weeks ago over at C99 that the decision may have been made a long time ago. I pointed to Bryan Pagliano, the one who setup her server and why he was given immunity so early on. I speculated that the information that he had, may have been so damaging that the powers to be never wanted it discussed. I suspect they gave him that “limited” immunity to make sure he never spoke another word about it. He used that immunity to take the 5th in the Justice Watch case and I wouldn’t be surprised that he is still under a gag order with the threat of prosecution if he ever opens his mouth again.

Some reporter needs to ask the FBI and the DOJ this question, “Now that no criminal wrongdoing has been found on the part of any individual involved in this case, Is Bryan Pagliano free to discuss what he knows about the setup of her server and will you release the transcripts of your interviews with him to the public?”

new2this

I watched the Bryan Pagliano interview with Judicial Watch last night – what a joke! He didn’t answer a single question! Total waste of time.

reflectionsv37

That’s my point. He hasn’t and he never will. Comey talked about “several” different servers, we basically only knew about 2. There were reports that at one point the IP address of Hillary’s server had changed locations. For a period of time, the IP address of the server was associated with the address of Bill Clinton’s office in Manhattan. Which, coincidentally, is the location of the offices of the Clinton Foundation.

Bryan Pagliano has all of that information and knows all about those “several” servers and why Hillary’s server was temporarily moved to offices of the Clinton Foundation. But we’re never, ever going to hear about that. They didn’t give Pagliano immunity for his testimony. They gave him immunity so they could shut him up and make sure what he knows never reaches the public.

Star Strider

Yes.

It is not possible to have a security clearance and not know the essentials of how to handle it properly. Everyone with a security clearance has mandatory ‘training’ a few times a year, complete with anecdotes of the horrible fates of those who got caught mishandling classified material, either deliberately or negligently.

Caerus
Caerus

Not if you’re a Clinton! Rules don’t apply. She’d send one of her sycophants to do it, and then say “see, it wasn’t me.”

Caerus
Caerus

READ this http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook to understand how FBI DIrector Comey CHANGED THE RULES so “intent” doesn’t matter anymore!

polarbear4

is national review trustworthy?

Eagles92
Eagles92

They’re a conservative/RW site. Which is neither here nor there at this point, IMO. The article seems well argued.

grapevines

The comment section was particularly interesting as well.

Eagles92
Eagles92

EXACTLY what I’ve been wondering — why was this not gross negligence?! Comey even referred to that at the beginning of his statement. Well, here’s the answer:

In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence.

NVPainter

So they rewrote the rules to exonerate her….

Eagles92
Eagles92

Not technically — but I think the point is that Comey invoked the inability to prove intent as the reason not to recommend indictment, even though proving intent isn’t required.

polarbear4

Thanks. Important point. geesh.

Caerus
Caerus

” I’m reckless and extremely careless with TOP SECRET Government Documents and I lie, can’t be trusted to ever tell the truth, always untrustworthy, only interested in my own political viability and making as much money as I can doing as little as possible to earn it, and MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR ME TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.”

Bern_So_Good

Unusual transparency is in order, but no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
NO CHARGES.

LieparDestin

I cannot get any streams from work but heres the liveblog from the guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jul/05/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-obama-campaign-trail-live

GreatLakeSailor
GreatLakeSailor

Comey just rolled over and let her off.
I’m shocked.

Cali Scribe
Cali Scribe

I think it’s more a case of couldn’t find enough to hang her — sort of like a prosecutor dropping charges against a defendant because of lack of evidence. Technological carelessness isn’t a felony — yet.

GreatLakeSailor
GreatLakeSailor

I respectfully disagree. On just the few above-top-secret (I forget the acronym) is a felony – intent not an issue.

Comey worked hard pretending this was not a predetermined conclusion.

grapevines

Perhaps he was considering the future of his 5 children…or being transferred to Nome Alaska for the rest of his career.

gustogirl

Evidence on a computer is more easily “disappeared” than most people assume. Note Comey did not say there was evidence that she’d been hacked – such evidence can only be trapped by a secured server – but he sounded quite sure that she had been hacked by foreign, hostile nations.

LieparDestin

I think this has been pretty ‘ordained’ from the get-go, and the events the past week or so have only furthered that. With the timing before the first campaign appearance with Obama.. I pretty much knew for sure where this was headed.

All in all… it’s still about judgment and it’s still shown to be poor.

GreatLakeSailor
GreatLakeSailor

Oh yeah, the fix was always in.
My “I’m shocked” statement was pure sarcasm.
The Deep State does not eat itself.

Bern_So_Good

reflectionsv37

Too big to jail!! I’m in complete disbelief at his recommendations after the crimes he just listed and identified. Unbelievable!!!

Eagles92
Eagles92

He did basically call her incompetent.

Not that it will matter.

IMO, any super who now willingly supports her is a fucking idiot.

Blueslide
Blueslide

Yeah well, any subjectivity will get tossed aside as political from a conservative FBI director. The queens court will be sure to tout that even the Republican Comey said what she did was not illegal.

Eagles92
Eagles92

Already happening. As it does.

Bern_So_Good

Poor judgment, reckless, careless…and no respect for the rules. Hillary is above the rules and can do as she chooses.

Per the DOJ report, she broke the rules and per the FBI, Hillary was “extremely careless” when she sent and received highly classified emails. “She should have known.”

It’s also very likely she was hacked.

Cali Scribe
Cali Scribe

Stupidity isn’t a criminal offense — otherwise I’d be doing 20 to life about now.

I can see some legislation regarding tightening of governmental procedures regarding email coming out of this SNAFU, but unfortunately the barn door’s already been left open when it came to Clinton. May just have to wait till the results of the investigations into the Clinton Foundation doings finish up — those may be bigger than this anyway.

Eagles92
Eagles92

I don’t get why they couldn’t take the “gross negligence” route.

FFS.

new2this

Did Comey mention when that other investigation into the Clinton Foundation would be wrapping up?

LoneStarMike

No. While the folks over at TOP are celebrating, they seem to have forgotten about the other case.

The first case was about her handling of classified emails on a private server.

The second case involved public corruption

The FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email as secretary of state has expanded to look at whether the possible “intersection” of Clinton Foundation work and State Department business may have violated public corruption laws, three intelligence sources not authorized to speak on the record told Fox News.

This new investigative track is in addition to the focus on classified material found on Clinton’s personal server.

“The agents are investigating the possible intersection of Clinton Foundation donations, the dispensation of State Department contracts and whether regular processes were followed,” one source said.

[…]

The development follows press reports over the past year about the potential overlap of State Department and Clinton Foundation work, and questions over whether donors benefited from their contacts inside the administration.

They talked a little bit about the second case on FOX News.

I’d love the remind the fine folks over at TOP about the second case, but I stopped commenting over there, and it most likely wouldn’t be well-received.

phatkhat

We can always hope.

belle de jour

I had been hoping and sending requests to the universe that some incredibly determined, brilliant and fast legal terrier could construct the pinnings of a promising RICO case quickly enough.

No longer have faith that this will happen in time before either convention or election. Hope I’m wrong.

Bern_So_Good

This is fucking bullshit. Any other person would be have been charged.

And it really pisses me off about this Air Force One photo op with Hillary as this is being announced.

Raggedy Ann

Only the common people would have been charged – not any other person that is in the 1%.

Bern_So_Good

Trump campaign is busy as we speak, cutting that tape for an ad about how negligent and reckless she was.

grapevines

…well actually, I heard he doesn’t have enough money too buy ads…besides he’s busy saying what a great guy Saddam Hussein was today.

Eagles92
Eagles92

It disgusts me that Obama will still attach himself to her, despite all of this.

Man, Philly is going to be interesting (to say the very least).

Bern_So_Good

polarbear4

I’m curious to see what Trump will really do.

belle de jour

You know with Trump, here’s the thing: he could stop all his other objectionable view spouting on almost any topic other than the utter awfulness of Hillary Clinton, imo, and pull ahead in the polls.

Stay out of trouble, attack Hillary, win.

Any decent strategist and writer could offer him short, effective talking points, a way to steer every single topic back to take another swing at Hillary, come up with some zinger, damaging catch phrases for his audience to latch on to, and he’d be set.

Honestly: he should be hiring acid comedy one-liner writers, great ad copywriters, and inspirational/Hallmark writers – right now.

His own ego & lack of discipline may keep him from following this plan, from staying on a winning topic, from hiring anyone to whom he’d actually listen, however – and it might well be the one thing that will keep him from winning.

polarbear4

do you think he really wants the job?

belle de jour

I’ve mostly doubted it in the past… but sometimes I think the joke has now gone on well past him, and that his ego might not let him ‘lose’ at this point – even in some sort of coordinated, false-flag event that gave him an out + gave the repubs another candidate they preferred.

If he actually does want to win now, I’m betting he wants that win to be wholly his… 100% due to the Great Donald. I don’t know if he could smartly or openly share enough control or ‘credit’ with anyone else enough to even listen to their advice or accept their help to get there, though.

grapevines

He was busy shooting himself in the foot at a NC rally today; saying what a great guy Saddam Hussein was.

bebimbob

It’s like losing the lottery by one number. I can’t believe he rolled. Must want to keep his job. Maybe Russia will release emails now!

LieparDestin

“It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.”

reflectionsv37

That’s the Hillary Clinton version of cooperation!

Fleur de Lisa

When her lawyers went through the emails to determine which were not work related, didn’t they have access to top secret information that they didn’t have clearance to see? How many ways was sensitive material compromised here?

magsview

Comey claimed that her lawyers didn’t ‘read’ those deemed personal. The lawyers claimed that they searched for personal emails based on headers type thing, and then just deleted them (!).

Lesson for future information hiders, just put ‘yoga class rescheduled’ in the subject line (wink wink) and your lawyers will delete them for you! No fuss, no muss.

Dro

Were the lawyers vetted to view ‘top classified’?

Star Strider

I seriously doubt it. Having once had a security clearance, even low-level clearances are not easy to get, and high-level clearances are much more difficult.

phatkhat

That’s the truth. And, had I, or someone like me, exposed any of it, even inadvertently, we’d have ended up in the brig.

Star Strider

We couldn’t talk about what we were doing outside the buildings. If we wanted to use secure emails or the encrypted telephone, we had to get permission and have someone open he vault so we could access the computers and phones.

Yet she-who-must-not-be-named had known classified material on an unsecured server is perfectly legal?

We have two systems of justice in the U.S. A lenient one for the privileged, and another, harsher and unforgiving one for the rest of us.

GreatLakeSailor
GreatLakeSailor

Yet she-who-must-not-be-named had known classified material on an unsecured server is perfectly legal?

I haven’t parsed his mealy-mouthed Deep-State-Protects-Their-Own speak, but I don’t recall him saying it was legal, only his excuse that boiled down to him lacking the moral compass/moral courage to bring charges in a case prosecutors were not absolutely positively certain to win.

Star Strider

So … they destroyed government documents, and possibly destroyed evidence necessary for a criminal prosecution. Are none of those indictable offences?

bebimbob

Well, she did perjure herself to Judge Sullivan in the Judicial Watch case. I can’t see how anyone can vote for her, regardless of who the opponent is.

polarbear4

Many supporters do not let this register as a big deal. They are not politically savvy and many still watch the MSM. While they may be somewhat skeptical, a steady drip, drip, drip of MSM news tends to skew your reality.

Star Strider

I’ve heard of Judge Sullivan. He’s definitely one of the ‘good guys’ in my opinion.

If she-who-must-not-be-named perjured herself, she should be in jail.

GreatLakeSailor
GreatLakeSailor

Depends on where the meaning of “lie” lies.
/s

Bern_So_Good

I thought the fix was in and she would get off but did have a small glimmer of hope…so I’m feeling so very disappointed after hearing this news.

LieparDestin

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation

..

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

Eagles92
Eagles92

As if anyone will sanction her for anything. Nope, nothing to see here. No security sanctions. She’s learned her lesson so we can all move on to electing a grossly incompetent candidate to the Presidency.

Go home, America, you’re fucking drunk.

NVPainter

Ahhh, but perhaps they’re considering the alternative, and considering him so grossly incompetent that they’re willing to overlook this….

bebimbob

If she becomes president, how in god’s name does she get a security clearance?

Fleur de Lisa

Ha! Typing at the same time. Great minds think alike, @bebimbob!

Fleur de Lisa

How about a lifetime revocation of access to classified material? That seems like the least they should do, but it would make serving as president damn near impossible, now wouldn’t it.

Star Strider

It was certainly disappointing that the FBI did not recommend an indictment, but my impression is that is only on the basis of the precedent that they reviewed. It is possible that this is such a novel situation that the prosecutors will decide that precedent needs to be set with respect to such negligent handling of classified material, especially by high-ranking individuals. The prospect of an indictment may still be an option if the prosecutors can develop a theory on which criminal charges will be brought.

This is nevertheless seriously damaging to she-who-must-not-be-named, even without an indictment. What we do not yet know is what the net effect will be.

phatkhat

Take away her security clearance! Then she is unqualified.

Eagles92
Eagles92

This is exactly what should be done … but who’s going to do it?

No one, that’s who.

polarbear4

How could she not have “intended” to violate laws? She was SoS, and it wasn’t her duty to know those laws?

More of the elite gets to break the law and we’ll look the other way.

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

Someone on the YouTube comments said, “The next time a cop pulls you over, tell him you didn’t intend to break the law. See how far that gets you.”

gustogirl

Even “ignorance of the law” is not allowed as a defense.

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

No, it is not allowed. But in this case, intent to criminally harm seems to be the factor for prosecution and Comey’s team could not find her guilty of criminal intent. It sucks. The Clintons are Teflon-coated.

NVPainter

So he’s saying that there’s a different set of rules for anyone other than Secretary Clinton, basically.

(And ooops… accidentally hit downrate instead of Reply… but I uprated it then a second time, so it seems to have corrected itself.)

LieparDestin

From The Guardian (bolding theirs):

How damaging was that for Clinton? The FBI just made a liar of her when she said that she never handled any information on her personal email that was “classified at the time”. Comey’s characterization of Clinton as “extremely careless” in handling top-secret information raises serious questions about her judgment.

Yet it does not appear as if criminal charges are in the offing.

But how damaging was that?

AlphaLop
AlphaLop

It’s gonna kill her in the General.

Donald will get about 15 commercials just out of this one interview.

All we can do at this point is get into position for 4 years of Trump and getting moving on a new party for 2018/20 cycles.

NVPainter

I disagree. I think MSM will sweep it under the rug. Everywhere else in the world, where they can see clearly what’s happening here, they will think we’re nuts and incredibly corrupt. (Of course, they do more and more now, just watching this whole charade.)

In the meantime, Trump is getting raked over the coals for that latest anti-Semitic tweet. He’s being taken less and less seriously all the time — and people will think, well, at least she’s rational.

Bern_So_Good

Extremely careless with our national security and a show of poor judgment. And this is the Democratic candidate? 🙁

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

Ask me if I’m surprised at this outcome.
“She was extremely careless.”
“Sloppy”
“Someone in her position should have known….”
No charges.
No charges.
No charges.

OzoneTom
OzoneTom

Anyone been brave enough to post a link to the FBI statement on TOP?

They would be partying like 1999 over there “no charges!” but I wonder if some won’t actually read it and see some “issues.”

Toby Ziegler
Toby Ziegler

Clinton supporters over there are acting like this is Christmas come early even though the reputation and judgement of their candidate just got ripped up by the head of the FBI on live TV.

Completely and utterly clueless.

Bern_So_Good

They are in deep denial and intellectually lazy. That’s why they refuse to discuss the issues and facts. It’s all about cheering the “blue team” for them. That’s easier and requires no critical thinking.

Trump is going hammer her with this.

Toby Ziegler
Toby Ziegler

Not to mention that the Democratic Convention is going to be ridiculous.

progressive grandma
progressive grandma

I’m still thinking about sending him the hammer 😉

OzoneTom
OzoneTom

Thanks for diving in over there!

belle de jour

They’ve also taken the opportunity to renew calls for Bernie to concede and endorse. Of course. Because waiting for this this predictable FBI farce was the only possible thing that could ever keep Bernie from supporting a lovely person like Hillary Clinton.

realdasein

Hey Ozone, I keep trying to figure out what “TOP” stands for. It’s the DK site, right..?

Eagles92
Eagles92

“TOP” = The Other Place. Often also known as “GOS,” or the Great Orange Satan.

realdasein

Ah, perfect! Thank you. Now I can go back to associating DK with Dead Kennedys.

reflectionsv37

Or LOF, Little Orange Footballs.

bebimbob

Comey did not take any questions.

LieparDestin

Sanders: FBI decision will not affect mine

A Bernie Sanders spokesperson tells ABC News that Sanders’ decision to stay in the race will not be affected by Comey’s announcement of a recommendation of no charges against Clinton.

— MaryAlice Parks (@maryaliceparks) July 5, 2016
Sanders spokesperson says FBI announcement re Clinton emails will not impact the senator’s decision to stay in the race

Benny

Good for Bernie! Onward with the best platform to defeat Drumpf.

Benny

Someone at the DU had the best Subject Line: Hillary Wins FBI Primary!

Bern_So_Good

Heh. #FBImWithHer

Hillary is making history!
First time ever a candidate has been under FBI investigation during a Presidential campaign.

Hilary would have been fired as SoS if this happened during her appointment and she probably could not become AG due to both the DOJ report and the FBI report. Breaking the rules and being “extremely careless” disqualifies people from certain jobs. The President not being one apparently, depending on how the country votes.

Raggedy Ann

Trump or hrc – will not matter in the long run. We will be screwed, royally. Here’s a great article to ponder:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/mumia_abu-jamals_fourth_of_july_20160703

Bern_So_Good

Yep, we are pretty much fucked. Hillary will continue to pillage the middle class and poor to serve her donors and we really don’t know what DT will do but it wont be good. Either way, the economy is likely headed for another big crash since neither candidate will turn things around enough to create any long term stability or sustainability.

bebimbob

I hope that Bernie decides to run on the Green Party ticket, or there is a write-in campaign for him.

Otherwise, I am not voting for president.

Benny

Bernie’s put too much into trying to reform the DNP, so I don’t think he’ll run 3rd party this year. But who knows in following years if our wing will morph into a strong 3rd party down the road.

NVPainter

I agree — he’s trying to transform the party to respond to the people. I’m going to support him in whatever he decides.

roonie

Perhaps the day after Inauguration Bernie will tell us he is setting up a 3rd party because the other two are irredeemable.

magsview

For those who care, and because I told the asshole that I would let you know, I want to tell you that we are being spied on, our activities here are being tracked AND reported to at least the readers of DailyKos.

I am disheartened to share this comment from the DK thread about this matter:

tjampel

Glad it’s what you hoped for; it’s also what I hoped for as a fellow Bernie voter. Apparently it’s not what other Bernie die-hards hoped for:

theprogressivewing.com/…

The spying asshole went on in his next comment to say:

Well, I have some good friend/family members who are swept up in that madness, as I see it, and I make it a point of kind of keeping tabs on this particular site at least, at significant moments.

The disappointment and CT sentiments (the fix was in, etc.) are pretty intense there.

My heart is heavy and my anger is roused. I asked the asshole why would he do such a thing????

magsview

The text below tjampel’s name and the link to this post should have been block quoted as that was the asshole’s comment. I’m kind of upset right now..

Bern_So_Good

Sorry, {{{magsview}}}. There are some weirdos on that site. A lot of older, lonely guys who get their rocks off on lashing out. Many of them have serious issues.

That site is comprised in large part of a male dominant culture where inappropriate rage is normalized.

I know it can be hard not to take it personally but really, their problems are not our problems.

And just to clarify, I mean that in the sense of try not to let their issues get to you, not to say that it’s not ok to discuss here.

magsview

Thanks @Bern_So_Good . I was so upset I am just now checking back in. And he claims to be a Bernie voter!

Bern_So_Good

Hope you are feeling better!

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

I know one not registered to TPW can read the comments. Maybe Liepar might not want to allow reading of the comments unless one is registered to the site? That will be his decision. I know you have to register and then log into many sites in order to read comments. Otherwise, don’t worry about it. They are petty, ridiculous people if they believe their lurking here to spy will change anything.

magsview

Thanks @KayCeSF . I think anyone should be allowed to read comments here. I lurked at DK for years before becoming brave enough to sign up.

It was just really upsetting to read a comment from a supposed Bernie voter pile on the bashing of us over there. And the spying and reporting back with a link was super-creepy!

NVPainter

I just signed up at TOP this spring, but I lurked there for a couple of years first, too.

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

I’m one who likes to read the comments at different sites, too. I also lurked atTOP for about 2 years, reading diaries and comments, and finally got the nerve to jump in to speak. I think it allows people to acquaint themselves with the community, too. But I agree with you, spying and reporting back to TOP is creepy.

realdasein

It is creepy that folks over there would be so paranoid as to still give a shit about Bernie, or his supporters, at this late date. They WON, for Chrissake. They got what they wanted. What they should ALL be saying, including Markos, is

“We’re sorry, we just really wanted it, didn’t want to see our anointed Dem leader and first woman President fail again. We love Bernie, of course, and he’s right about everything, and we really hope Hillary will choose him as VP. After all, they get along better than most post-campaign opponents. Then we’ll get our Universal HC, our free college, and reasonable income equality! What a chance for our nation to enter the 21st Century. Maybe we’ll even get First-World Country status!”

belle de jour

Mags, there’s another one of those pseudo-apologist/finger-wagging diaries today by ‘former Bernie supporter’ Cthulhu http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/5/1545245/-Bernie-from-one-of-your-partisans-it-is-time-to-concede-and-endorse-Clinton which has several comment instances of Seventh Planet hemorrhoids citing spying on the alternative sites that Bernie supporters escaped to after Napoleon Blowaparte blew apart his own site.

When we aren’t still there to marginalize, evidently, they have to come in search of us.

Part of me thinks we must fascinate them, on many levels: they don’t get it; they might never get it; they resent the hell out of that… but they still can’t keep themselves from trying anything to make themselves feel better about all of the above.

I want to laugh at this. Picture them getting all double-naught seven over here, wearing their Groucho Marx eyeglass + nose with mustaches, sitting at our cafe table, trying to be inconspicuous and observe. Searching the menu for some scrap of understanding of the secret sauce components and recipes that will never taste like anything but spoiled, rotten rubber chicken when try to make it themselves in their own restaurant, Chez Hillary.

Don midwest
Don midwest

Right wing rightly pissed off & expect ongoing coverage of this

They took small scandals and ran with them for years

There are many in Fox, National Review, etc that have already come up. Found in trending hash tag Comey

Here are a couple (not responsible for consenting adults who read this stuff)

From national review

FBI Rewrites Federal Law to Let Hillary Off the Hook

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

From Fox news

John Fund: Nine big questions for FBI Director Comey about Hillary’s emails

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/05/john-fund-nine-big-questions-for-fbi-director-comey-about-hillarys-emails.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fopinion+%28Internal+-+Opinion+-+Mixed%29

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

Good questions from both OpEds. My questions, as well. The fix is in.

Bern_So_Good

CNN just cut the audio from Hillary stepping off of Air Force One that has arrived in Charlotte for her Obama rally to go to a presser with the State Dept where they are discussing whether or not the dept took enough care with classified info.

Maybe the timing of their rally isn’t working out so great for them after all?

Jacquelynn Booth
Jacquelynn Booth

Cenk on TYT said w/o indictment, Hillary Rat-fucking Clinton gets the nomination — but I think he’s got it bass-ackward.
Dir Comey (God bless the FBI and Comey’s R heart!) proved HRC , in 4 yrs as SofS, used several different homebrew servers, received and sent classified to top secret data, refused to abide by security guidelines, and sent official dept emails which she had still not voluntarily submitted , and which, in fact, claimed did not exist.
Comey made a point that the reason an indictment is not recommended is that FBI could not, from their analysis of the multiple mostly untraceable communications on multiple unauthorized servers COULD NOT PROVE CRIMINAL INTENT. ALTHO THEY HAD THE EVIDENCE OF ILLEGAL ACTS & BREACHES OF SECURITY, THE FBI FELT IT COULD NOT PREVAIL IN COURT WITHOUT EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL INTENT. It can certainly be inferred, but the case would fall apart in court without a showing i of criminal intent.

My first fed job, which I held for 5 years, was doing background investigations for the granting of security clearances. I was at Los Alamos. The FBI agent did the security reviews on scientists. I and others did investigations for clearances for all others who worked or entered on site – down to whoever filled the soda machine.

HILLARY RAT-FUCKING CLINTON, BASED ON COMEY’S SPEECH TEXT, COULD NOT BE CLEARED TO ENTER LOS ALAMOS, EVEN TO FILL A SODA MACHINE.

A president who would fail a background investigation. Something you don’t expect. The Donald would pass the criteria because he is blackmail proof. He has no secrets. HRC is a Chinese puzzle toy. Nothing but lies and secrets, and a hell of a security risk!

Another reason for superdelegates to move to Bernie. I just explained all that in an email to my D governor and asked him to support Bernie.

Maybe the security clearance/ blackmail situation can be used by others with D superdelegates in their home states.

Good luck!

Don midwest
Don midwest

I agree. Might not be over. The hope now is election fraud.

Cenk may have been too quick to say that it is over

But for sure, Obama giving her a ride on Air Force One and being on stage shows that the establishment is going to ride that horse as long as it can

KayCeSF
KayCeSF

I think the fix is in, Don. We might as well scream to the heavens for the gods and goddesses to force any justice.

Eagles92
Eagles92

While I know this is true for the unwashed masses:

HILLARY RAT-FUCKING CLINTON, BASED ON COMEY’S SPEECH TEXT, COULD NOT BE CLEARED TO ENTER LOS ALAMOS, EVEN TO FILL A SODA MACHINE

I harbor little hope that it applies to HRC. I mean this question seriously: What background investigator would actually have any authority to block HRC’s security clearance? Seems to me she’d just be exempted from it — problem solved.

This is all fucking nuts.

Benny

Keith Olbermann seems to feel as I do that HA Goodman is a little over the top: https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR. Sorry, but I think his tweets aren’t helping Bernie’s causes. Keith’s tweet

Eagles92
Eagles92

A little over the top?

I couldn’t listen to the guy. He always seemed a little unhinged and a lot in love with himself.

Cora Regina
Cora Regina

Agreed. He’s seemed particularly bad lately, too.

Star Strider

We’ve all shared in the angst today over the FBI’s impressive evidence collection efforts and its completely missed call on not recommending that she-who-must-not-be-named be indicted. I’m still hoping that Justice decides to make an example of she-who-must-not-be-named, and finds a novel legal theory to indict her and so set precedent for other high-ranking individuals.

Now, how do we keep the pressure on to be sure she-who-must-not-be-named faces the most significant consequences possible for the emails, corruption, and others of her serious — and deliberate — lapses-of-judgement? She has to be held to account. She’s obviously unqualified, as the FBI so convincingly demonstrated this morning.

We can deal with DJT’s lack of qualifications later. First things first.

Bern_So_Good

Hillary just said, “We’re going to make college debt free for all. And we’re going to build on the President’s idea to make community college free and help millions of people struggling with existing student debt.”

How does she plan on making college “debt free? ”

She also said “We’re going to raise the federal min wage” but she didn’t specify the amount. Interesting. She’s obviously back to her $12 per hour position but it’s hard to keep track because she flip flops so much.

She is such an incredibly boring speaker…Even Obama is having to work at looking enthused. He seems distracted.

Toby Ziegler
Toby Ziegler

HILLARY’S A PROGRESSIVE WHO GETS THINGS DONE

BLUE TEAM! BLUE TEAM! BLUE TEAM! YAAAAAY!

Eagles92
Eagles92

He seems distracted.

By what, I wonder? /s

I’m confounded that he’s willing to embarrass himself this way. Actually, scratch that. I’m confounded that I was fooled into voting for him twice, when he’s so obviously willing to pander for the favors he will now likely get for his support.

Star Strider

Obummer’s apparent distraction is likely due to his (possibly) not knowing about the unsecure email server while she-who-must-not-be-named was SoS, and he should have? Did he know, or was the knowledge deliberately kept from him? As others have said here, had he known, he should have fired her. Is he worrying about that?

This is beginning to not look good for both of them.

Benny

In observing the joint campaign appearance in NC, it appears to be more of an event aimed at Bernie and his supporters, not Trump so much.

Fishtroller03
Fishtroller03

I just read Comey’s complete statement. If this email/server system had been investigated by the State Dept. while Hillary was SOS, Obama would have had to fire her. As it was, she didn’t fill the position of Inspector General at State while she was there, and employees who raised questions about the system were told to stop talking about it.

She’s a oily and corrupt as they come.

Now on to the three other investigations approved by three Federal judges who are concerned about intentional violations of FOIA.

Fleur de Lisa

Ok, probably I’m reading this with overly optimistic eyes, but, when Comey went on about how people who do things like this face security or administrative sanctions, he said, “but that is not what we are deciding now.”

Is it what they are deciding later? What if he does revoke her security clearance? That’s his call, isn’t it? And he made a strong case for it.

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