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Sanders Foresees ‘Progressive’ South Carolina

Two years after a tough loss in South Carolina’s Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders returned Saturday to the state where he said his progressive message is resonating more strongly than before.

In an interview with The Associated Press following a rally attended by roughly 1,000 supporters, Sanders said, “The day is going to come, sooner than people believe, that South Carolina is going to become a progressive state.”

“We have helped transform political consciousness in this country,” the Vermont independent said.

Sanders’ trip to the home of this first-in-the-South presidential primary came as part of a swing through several other states with early positions on the primary calendar. Next up was Iowa. A visit to Nevada was planned for next week.

The South Carolina trip differed from many of Sanders’ other stops, where he’s stumping with congressional candidates. None of them campaigned with him in South Carolina, with some young Democratic leaders in the state eschewing his trip as a self-serving exercise.

Still, Sanders received thunderous applause from his crowd of supporters.

“So there are progressives in South Carolina! I was told that nobody would come out to a meeting like this,” Sanders said. “Thank you all very much for being here.”

The trip was billed as a “Medicare for All” rally at the behest of Our Revolution, an offshoot of Sanders’ 2016 presidential effort.

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October 21, 2018 6:34 am
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LISTEN: Khashoggi Praises Bernie Sanders in ‘Secret’ Interview

The journalist Rula Jebreal has revealed that she did a “secret” interview with Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi before his disappearance. Jebreal did the interview as part of a larger story she was writing for Newsweek about Saudi Arabia, Khashoggi’s homeland. On October 19, Newsweek decided to make the audio of the interview public. You can listen to that audio here, and you can also read the full transcript here. The full story, on Newsweek’s site, is available to read here.

Jebreal doesn’t say exactly when she carried out the interview with Khashoggi. She writes that she didn’t put it up sooner because they were speaking in confidence; the interview was never meant to become public. But after Saudi Arabia confirmed that Khashoggi was dead, Jebreal changed her mind, and said she wants everyone to hear Khashoggi.

During the interview, Jebreal asked Khashoggi about the need for reform in Saudi Arabia. Khashoggi said that Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi crown prince, is basically just a “tribal leader” with no true interest in reform.

And Khashoggi said that part of the problem is that nobody in Saudi Arabia can stand up to the crown prince. He said there is also no real pressure being brought to bear on him by the international community. Khashoggi said that in the United States, the only politician who seriously criticizes MBS is Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator and one-time presidential candidate.

Khashoggi told Jebreal, “First of all, there is no political movement in Saudi Arabia that could pressure him, number one. And the world is happy with him. Do you see anybody in America except for Bernie Sanders who is calling for putting pressure on MBS? I only saw Bernie Sanders, but no one else.”

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October 21, 2018 6:35 am
magsview
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October 22, 2018 7:24 am
LieparDestin
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October 21, 2018 6:37 am
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Sanders stumps for Scholten in Sioux City

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont was in Sioux City Saturday night stumping for J.D. Scholten, the Democratic congressional candidate seeking to unseat U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in Iowa’s 4th congressional district.

Sanders was the last of six speakers at Eppley Auditorium on the Morningside College campus. Other Scholten supporters on stage included Sioux City middle school political activist Langston Saint; recent Morningside graduate Cody Hankerson; Our Revolution president and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner; Woodbury County Democratic chair Jeremy Dumkrieger; and Scholten himself.

While the other speakers largely talked about issues like healthcare, Sanders’ loud and passionate speech was wide-ranging, touching on a variety of subjects: Wages and wealth disparity, universal healthcare, free college and the current level of student debt, climate change, the Republican tax cuts, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, voter suppression and voter turnout, abortion restrictions and Republican racial and social attitudes.

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October 21, 2018 6:40 am
magsview
magsview

I sure hope J.D. Scholten beats the white supremacist King. Yesterday I read about King’s latest trip to Austria in which he was very clear about his extreme right-wing beliefs.

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October 22, 2018 7:28 am
LieparDestin
LieparDestin

Sanders and Warren are heading for a stand-off

Bernie Sanders thinks he has a lock on his supporters. Elizabeth Warren thinks she can get enough of them, and enough elsewhere to run regardless. Allies and supporters are anxious they’ll destroy both their chances, and kneecap progressive politics along the way.

Some close to Sanders feel like Warren was trying to muscle him out of the race, and laugh at the idea that she will be able to compete with him for his supporters. Some close to Warren feel like Sanders has an outsized sense of his power over the nomination and his chances to actually win it or beat Donald Trump.

“She’s engaged in a chess game where she’s moving her pawns around and she’s trying to demonstrate to many people, including Bernie, that not only is she running, but is fully capable of running, and is so far ahead that you should just give in to her,” said one key player in Sanders’ world.

Warren’s opening flop last week with her DNA test has his team thinking she might not be so hard to beat after all.

Sanders hasn’t decided about running, though it weighs heavily on him to make sure Trump loses. Part of the thinking behind his week-long cross-country tour campaigning for other candidates is testing how much his appeal has held up (so far, to over-packed overflow rooms). As Sanders decides whether to run again, advisers often cite the 45 percent of the primary vote he got in 2016, though the senator himself thinks less about getting deference from his performance two years ago than drawing on the strength he’s continued to build since.

He and Warren are ideological allies who have developed a good working relationship—not friends, but warmer with each other than most senators are. He respects her, thinks she gets it, despite the distinctions she’s recently made to point out that she, unlike the Democratic socialist from Vermont, is “a capitalist.” Sanders invited her to appear at a few events he hosted. They did some web videos together. Showdowns were avoided, like when Sanders declined to endorse his old ally Dennis Kucinich in the Democratic primary for Ohio governor earlier this year because it would have put him at odds with Warren, who had immediately backed her protégé Richard Cordray in the race.

Warren is close to pulling the trigger on a run, and spent the last two years putting together the pieces for a campaign, accelerating since the end of the summer. This included some deliberate overtures to Sanders’ world, like reaching out to Nina Turner, the former Ohio state senator who now runs the Sanders-inspired group Our Revolution, and to RoseAnn DeMoro, the former head of the National Nurses Union, which spent millions and went all out for him in 2016.

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October 21, 2018 6:39 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

yeah, i’m thinking there must be some substantial differences for the two of them not to join forces right now, for the country.

what does, “i’m a capitalist” mean to her? obviously, Dem Socialism includes a form of capitalism, so it seems snarky and a little Third Wayish. Trying to play both sides, and maybe that’s a big part of how they just don’t fit together. But if they manage to put her in instead of Bernie, I would (fervently) hope she sees the wisdom of him as her partner. I hate to even commit these words to print, but might as well get it out there.

That said, BerNIE, BerNIE!!!!

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October 21, 2018 10:59 am
TheLeftistheCenter
TheLeftistheCenter

I think she believes she can do it by playing the in between, but I think she is wrong, for the people are generally more drawn to someone who is unapologeticly themselves more than someone who is trying to ‘fit’ something.

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October 21, 2018 12:45 pm
polarbear4
polarbear4

agree. that trying to “fit” is where they get into trouble. as in, “let’s try to fit in at this big bankers’ meeting.”

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October 21, 2018 2:56 pm
humphrey
humphrey

I think that the MSM is trying to hype this up more than it is. They seem to neglect the fact that there are many more moderate Dems vying for a run who will divide the establishment vote.

That said true progressives will flock to Bernie as they did in the past.

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October 21, 2018 3:15 pm
LieparDestin
Benny
Benny

Two more endorsements, this one from the San Antonio Express-News:

Cruz complains that there exists a “caricature” of him as a “bomb thrower.” But, senator, it can take just one bomb to be a bomb thrower if that bomb is nuclear. And it was clear from his first term that even those in his own party have not exactly taken a shine to him. Trump bested him in the presidential race.

Fortunately, for every good reason not to vote for Cruz, there are good reasons to vote for O’Rourke.

Cruz has gone all out to characterize O’Rourke’s views as too extreme for Texas. Untrue. The senator has to ignore plenty of nuance to get there.

O’Rourke, mindful that Texas leads the nation in the number of uninsured, wants some form of universal health care that might include a choice for people, even those in employer-provided plans, to opt into Medicare even if they’re not yet 65.

Cruz says this will bust the budget, but this come from a senator who says he led the fight to pass the recent GOP tax bill that will balloon the debt and deficit according to credible experts. Cruz simply denies this will happen.

Cruz says he is for protecting pre-existing conditions but has voted to repeal this along with all of the ACA and we have not discerned a credible replacement.

Cruz complains that O’Rourke voted for a $10 a barrel tax on oil — a mainstay of Texas’ economy. But O’Rourke actually voted against a “concurrent resolution” that symbolically opposed an Obama proposal that never became law. He never voted “for” that tax, much less a 24 cent a gallon price hike.

O’Rourke believes climate change is real. It’s much too difficult to pin Cruz down on what amounts to an existential threat for Texas, the nation and the world. O’Rourke rejects the “false choice” of having to choose between damaging the oil industry and growing alternative energy.

Some slam O’Rourke for a DWI and another minor charge in his past. But he takes responsibility and has successfully recast his life. This is admirable, even if the offenses aren’t.

O’Rourke for U.S. Senate.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/editorials/article/O-Rourke-for-U-S-Senate-13321785.phpthis list with editorials on those races. We encourage you to exercise your right to vote.

and from the Corpus Christi Caller-Times:

this list with editorials on those races. We encourage you to exercise your right to vote.

Early voting starts Monday. Election Day is Nov. 6.

U.S. Senator: Beto O’Rourke (D)

The likable El Paso congressman has run a positive campaign about bipartisan solutions, affordable health care and commonsense immigration reform. Incumbent Republican Ted Cruz is the Senate’s least-liked member. That can’t be in Texas’ best interest. We’ll explain this decision further in coming days.

https://www.caller.com/story/opinion/2018/10/19/texas-midterm-elections-2018-corpus-christi-caller-times-endorsements/1663741002/

Both newspapers leans moderate as they also endorsed Greg Abbott to be re-elected for Gov.

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October 21, 2018 3:20 pm
LieparDestin
LieparDestin

Giant ‘Beto’ sign stays, Houston-area couple tells HOA officials who want it gone

A Houston-area homeowners’ association says an order to remove a giant sign painted on their front lawn isn’t a political matter, but one of the HOA’s bylaws.

A Katy couple thinks it’s because their neighbors don’t like Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke.

Matthew Duffy, a retired Marine, and his wife, Shannon Bennett, started painting the sign that reads “Beto” in giant letters Oct. 14 and ran afoul of the Chesterfield Community Association shortly after that, the Houston Chronicle reported.

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The couple received a visit from HOA officers while they were painting their sign and were told it was a violation of deed restrictions.

We researched this very carefully before we did it, and I don’t believe that we’re violating any of the deed restrictions,” Bennett said, according to the Chronicle. “[HOA president Nicolas Jessett] said that we’re violating the landscaping requirement and it’s a nonpermanent change.”

Bennett and Duffy counter that they are in compliance with the state’s property code.

“The [email subject line] says political sign violation and then in the body it says you’ve violated the landscape declaration,” Duffy told Katy Magazine. “I know I’ve violated their sense of political affiliation, but that’s it.”

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October 21, 2018 6:45 am
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October 21, 2018 6:47 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

good one.

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October 21, 2018 11:02 am
LieparDestin
LieparDestin

Teen Climate Activist to Crowd of Thousands: ‘We Can’t Save the World by Playing by the Rules Because the Rules Have to Change’

Addressing some 10,000 people in Helsinki on Saturday at what some campaigners are calling Finland’s largest ever climate demonstration, 15-year-old Greta Thunberg urged marchers to fight for the major systemic changes that experts have said are necessary to limit greenhouse gas emissions and avert a looming climate catastrophe.

“Today we use 100 million barrels of oil every day. There are no politics to change that. There are no rules to keep that oil in the ground, so we can’t save the world by playing by the rules because the rules have to change. Everything needs to change and it has to start today,” declared the Swedish teenager, who traveled to the capital city of her nation’s Nordic neighbor for Saturday’s massive march.

“A lot of people say that Sweden or Finland are just small countries and that it doesn’t matter what we do,” Thunberg added. “But I think that if a few children can get headlines all over the world just by not going to school for a few weeks, imagine what we could do together if we wanted to.”

Thunberg garnered international media attention when, ahead of Sweden’s September election, she refused to attend school and instead protested outside the Swedish parliament, handing out educational pamphlets to passersby. Now that the election has passed, the self-described “climate radical” and others who have joined the strike return to school for four days each week but still protest on Fridays.

“We young people don’t have the vote, but school is obligatory,” she told The Local in August. “So this a way to get our voices heard.”

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October 21, 2018 6:51 am
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October 21, 2018 6:51 am
Benny
Benny

Don’t Get Too Excited’ About Medicare for All

And many voters seem confused by the fundamentals. In polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation, about half of Americans said they believed they would be able to keep their current insurance under a single-payer plan, which is not the case.

Optimism without specifics carries risk, as Barack Obama learned after promising that people wouldn’t lose their doctors under the Affordable Care Act. That promise haunted the Obama administration — it was singled out as PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year” in 2013 and is still mocked by members of the Trump White House.

There’s also the thorny issue of how Medicare for all would affect the thousands of jobs at private insurers. “We have an insurance industry in Omaha, and people say, ‘I worry about those jobs,’” said Kara Eastman, a Democrat running on Medicare for all in Nebraska’s Second District. She suggested people could be retrained, saying there would have to be “repurposing of positions.”

Critics of Medicare for all, on the other hand, tend to exaggerate the costs of single-payer: “Denmark’s top tax bracket is nearly 60 percent!” (True, although that’s largely not because of health care.) “Doctors’ incomes will drop 40 percent!” (True, specialists in private practice would probably see pay cuts, but primary care doctors could well see an increase.)

Canadians generally pay higher taxes than Americans do — specifically a goods and services tax, and higher taxes on the wealthy. In Germany, working people pay 7.5 percent of income as a contribution toward comprehensive insurance.

But many Americans pay far more than that when you count premiums, deductibles, co-payments and out-of-network charges. Estimates of the tax increases required to support a Medicare-for-all or single-payer system are all over the map, depending on how the plan is structured, the prices paid to providers and drug makers, and the generosity of benefits.

I have to confess: I want VA care for all. But the Vets would likely object.

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October 21, 2018 8:43 am
Benny
Benny

Should We Be Socialists? A Politicon Panel Discusses.

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October 21, 2018 8:46 am
Benny
Benny

You will note who is sitting on the left edge of the panel.

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October 21, 2018 8:47 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

gag.

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October 21, 2018 11:05 am
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 9:57 am
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October 21, 2018 10:00 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

We have a feel good bond measure up for “affordable housing” that is basically a huge giveaway to developers–no requirement of a cap on rent, no requirement that the money go to nonprofits, just $$$$$ for developers. But a respected minister who works with the houseless at times came out for it in a big way and it has divided the progressives.

I’m voting No, after attending the OR meeting yesterday, but I fear that it is popular bc on the surface it looks “caring.” Our city is really messing up. They are giving developers millions and millions in tax breaks for building luxury housing around a part of town that is now very much an integrated community. I’m a little shocked, honestly. I guess if i couldn’t still be shocked, i wouldn’t be here.

We also have star voting up–yes on that one! But again, i don’t have the highest of hopes, bc it’s different and likely needs a lot more familiarity, like M4A. Hopefully, this will at least get people looking at it. It’s like runoff voting.

And somehow proposals to restrict abortion rights got on the ballot. Thought we were past that here.

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October 21, 2018 11:12 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

I haven’t watched this debate on socialism v. capitalism yet, but I’m intrigued by this partial description, especially the first paragraph!

I respect Dr. Mitchell for two reasons: First, he was extremely polite and “played fair.” Neither one of us interrupted the other and it did not descend into awkward personal sniping. We both stuck to the ideas. Second, Dr. Mitchell was extremely honest about the implications of his position. He admitted that he was opposed to democracy, that he thought offshore tax havens were good, that he believed workers shouldn’t have any rights beyond their contracts, and that he had no idea how capitalism could possibly avert the climate change crisis. The right often tries to avoid discussing these implications of its philosophy. Dr. Mitchell was quite blunt in saying that democracy is bad and tax avoidance is good. I am grateful to him because, while I find these positions morally objectionable in the extreme, it is helpful when I can point to someone’s actual words rather than having to accuse them of burying their true feelings beneath euphemisms.

The debate we had was very illuminating on the contrasts between the capitalist philosophy and the socialist one. I explained how the premises of laissez-faire, that “voluntary contracts” between people would ensure maximal freedom, were false: In fact, power tends to concentrate in the hands of a few extremely wealthy elites, and because wealth is power, those who have very little wealth have very little power. We are subjected to the “private government” of corporations; while elected officials can be voted out, a company like Facebook can do as it pleases because it has cornered a market, and users have very little say in what happens. The debate was partly about “big tech” and I showed the contrast between the “participatory” governance of Wikipedia and the top-down governance of the large for-profit companies, explaining why socialists thought it so important that ordinary people be allowed to take part in decisions that affect their lives.

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October 21, 2018 11:20 am
polarbear4
polarbear4

I like how he points out that it’s more theater than earnestly convincing people.

There is a very strong prevailing sentiment among leftists that debate is futile, that you do not beat the right politically by besting them in an argument. I have always thought that this misunderstands what a public debate is for: It is not so that you can convince the other person they are wrong, and it is not so you can meticulously list a slew of logical fallacies they have committed. It is a theatrical spectacle, and if you master it, it helps draw people to your cause.

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October 21, 2018 1:09 pm
Benny
Benny

Glad to see Symone getting out on the trail for someone in the Plains.

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October 21, 2018 12:09 pm
Benny
Benny

Bernie with JD Scholten this afternoon.

(I almost wrote just JD, but I didn’t want to confuse our JD with the Iowa’s JD!)

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October 21, 2018 1:36 pm
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 2:36 pm
jcitybone
jcitybone

Good polling news from Florida

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/21/politics/cnn-poll-florida-senate-governor/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fpolitics%2Fnew%2F

As the final two weeks of campaigning begin, Democrats hold an edge in both the gubernatorial and Senate contests in the key state of Florida, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS. Democratic nominee Andrew Gillum holds a wide 12-point edge over his Republican opponent Rep. Ron DeSantis in the race for governor, while the Senate contest is a closer matchup with incumbent Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson at 50% to Republican Gov. Rick Scott’s 45%.

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October 21, 2018 1:36 pm
Benny
Benny

Friendly reminder that CNN is hosting the Gillum-DeSantis debate 8 ET/7 CT/6 MT/5 PT
tonight. It’s being held at a PBS station in Tampa.

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October 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Benny
Benny

No wonder we have Trump. Sick Rott is the role model.

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Rick Scott has financial ties to the vendor that operates the troubled SunPass toll-collection system.

Scott’s financial link to the SunPass vendor is at least the seventh reported example of the wealthy governor’s personal investments in corporations that do business with or are regulated by the state he governs.

Here’s how public documents explain the latest link:

• By late June, records show, a manager of a hedge fund called Highline Capital Management held 7 million shares of stock worth $127 million in Conduent Inc.

• Scott and his wife Ann have invested at least $5 million in the fund managed by Highline, according to a financial disclosure Scott filed in July because of his U.S. Senate bid.

• A Conduent subsidiary, Conduent State and Local Solutions, won a $287 million Florida contract in 2015 to manage SunPass.

• The contract, which has grown to $343 million, was awarded by the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) whose secretary is appointed by Scott. Direct oversight of Conduent is the responsibility of the Florida Turnpike Enterprise, an arm of FDOT.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/10/19/revealed-rick-scotts-financial-link-to-botched-sunpass-contract/

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October 21, 2018 1:58 pm
polarbear4
polarbear4

That’s our tax money that pours out now that we have private/public partnerships. They sound so innocuous, but instead are insidious!

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October 21, 2018 2:54 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

Sick Rott is a real indictment of the American public. He spent $75M of his stolen coin to get elected and out from under legal heat. He slithered into office, steals as much money as he can, and gets legally re-elected. What’s that tell you? He’s still stealing it–there’s a report out that he’s hooked into the power restoration in Puerto Rico. He’s a scum bag and an insult to all good decent humans everywhere. He’s got plenty of slimeball company in this country and Florida. The early vote totals look heavy here. We’ve just started. But if the talk about the mail-in ballots is accurate, this state will have a yuge turnout for the midterms. Hope, hope, hope! 🙂 T and R to the usual always excellent TPW suspects!!

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October 22, 2018 2:03 pm
Benny
Benny

With little competition in RGV general elections, Beto O’Rourke hoping he can burst through

If the conclusion is inevitable, what’s the point in voting?

“Every time you don’t have a competitive race here in the Valley, Republican versus Democrat, voters are hard to turn out,” said longtime state Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa, D-McAllen. “Because people — both sides — don’t have to be out there working in their communities getting the vote out.”

Democratic Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke is hoping to burst through the lack of competition in the Valley and inspire the region to show up at the polls in record-shattering numbers to overcome incumbent U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz. After all, there are hundreds of thousands of registered voters in South Texas, and 10,000 more people have registered to vote in Hidalgo County since the March primary.

O’Rourke has drawn up to 2,000-person crowds in recent visits here — nearly 10 of them in the last 20 months. Hinojosa and U.S. Reps. Vicente Gonzalez, D-McAllen, and Filemon Vela, D-Brownsville, who have all participated in some of these events, said they’ve never seen crowds like these in the Valley.

However, Hinojosa and Vela have almost never faced a serious Republican challenge (Gonzalez is running for his first re-election, against a mostly anonymous Republican opponent). Hinojosa won his 2016 general election by more than 20 points; Vela won his by 25; and Gonzalez won his inaugural election by nearly 20 points.

I’m wondering how much polling WSJ/Marist, etc, are doing in the Rio Grande Valley?

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October 21, 2018 5:24 pm
Benny
Benny

I’m watching the CNN debate. 70 seconds for responses, 30 sec rebuttals.

DeSantis already coming out swinging on opening statement, saying that Gillum will raise taxes and that he is a failed mayor, corrupt.

Gillum responds: well that was a mouthful. Then starts giving his brief bio, running for those who were told they don’t belong. Very proud to be Floridian and looking forward to an engaged conversation.

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October 21, 2018 7:04 pm
Benny
Benny

First question is about climate change (as related to the recent hurricane). DeSantis isn’t quite embracing climate change or trying to do anything about it, doing something “California” it would raise electricity rates and hurt seniors.

Gillum responds that he believes in solar energy.

Another question which industries would you put on notice for hurting Florida’s environment and what would they have to change? Gillum responds many of the biggest polluters were donors to DeSantis’ campaign. Then he starts attacking Gillum for wanting to impeach Trump, not work with him. Gillum responds DeSantis voted 33 times against clean water. DeSantis claims he has endorsed by Everglades Foundation. Gillum points out the board is only 3 people.

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October 21, 2018 7:10 pm
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 8:54 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

I skipped it cos DeSantis is an Orange Dimwitted Creamsicle Looneytune fan. My ballot is set anyway. I hope that the turnout is yuge. I’m always hoping for that to happen. LOL. There was a ridiculous article in the local paper selling the line that non-voters are cool. Sure, and I just grew a second head.

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October 22, 2018 2:09 pm
Benny
Benny

Next question is about healthcare and that DeSantis thinks Medicare is a far left socialist program. Gillum says he’s totally wrong and wants to expand Medicaid. DeSantis tries to scare viewers that Medicare for All will do away for Medicare for seniors and take away Tri-Care. Gillum mentions that DeSantis voted to allow stripping away pre-existing conditions. Leads to the question for DeSantis: should insurance companies be allowed to charge more to poeple with pre-existing conditions. DeSantis doesn’t answer the question, but instead keeps hamering about government run insurance. Gillum fires back that healthcare is number one issue–it affects livelihood. DeSantis won’t say what his plan is when Gillum presses him.

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October 21, 2018 7:16 pm
magsview
magsview

Not sure where this tweet fits in, but I saw this:

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October 22, 2018 7:44 am
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

That’s cos the FRightwingnut ahole doesn’t have a plan.

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October 22, 2018 2:11 pm
Benny
Benny

Next question is about raising the state minimum wage. DeSantis is asked what the minimum wage should be. He pivots by attacking Gillum by saying he wants to raise taxes rather than answering the question. Gillum complements Disney for raising their minimum wages to $15 per hour by 2021. DeSantis tells a whopper, says Seattle raised the minimum wage, businesses left and jobs were lost.

Gillum is asked about the corporate tax rate. He is proposing top 3% — one billion to pay for better pay for teachers, job training, healthcare etc. DeSantis counters that Gillum likes tax hikes and gave himself a better pension/benefits. (I don’t quite know where DeSantis got that 80K worth of more benefits).

DeSantis tries to lie about Tallahassee’s crime rate.

Isn’t there a commandment “Thou shall not bear false witness?” I’ve never heard so many lies as I’ve heard in the GE season, and I thought 2016 was bad.

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October 21, 2018 7:25 pm
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 9:02 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

FRighties lie all the time cos they get away with it. The craporate MSM is a big player in facilitating them, too. Example: POX “News”

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October 22, 2018 2:13 pm
Benny
Benny

DeSantis has set up a strawman argument about immigration. If someone is here illegally, they should be turned in (and hence no sanctuary cities).

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October 21, 2018 7:41 pm
Benny
Benny

DeSantis doesn’t answer the question whether he would have supported the legislation that Scott signed after the Parkland shooting.

DeSantis keeps lying about the crime rate in Tallahassee and refuses to acknowledge any of the facts.

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October 21, 2018 7:44 pm
jcitybone
jcitybone

You are a saint for watching these debates. Listening to Republicans lying gives me agita.

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October 21, 2018 7:59 pm
Benny
Benny

Gillum had a strong finish:

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October 21, 2018 8:35 pm
jcitybone
jcitybone

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October 21, 2018 8:05 pm
Benny
Benny

I always liked that album by 3 Dog Night because it also had One Man Band and Joy to the World. I just looked it up and the LP’s titled is “Naturally.”

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October 21, 2018 8:29 pm
polarbear4
polarbear4

ditto, thank you benny!

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October 21, 2018 8:07 pm
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 8:26 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

Sounds about right, Andrew. 🙂

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October 22, 2018 2:15 pm
Benny
Benny

Miami Herald Endorses Gillum:

andrew Gillum is the best candidate to pull Florida back to the center, back to making sure the middle class and working class don’t continue to bear the brunt of Tallahassee’s misguided spending; back to acting on behalf of the Floridians denied health insurance by the current administration; back to putting public schools, which serve the majority of the state’s children, in the spotlight; back to being a leader in the fight against sea-level rise and the degradation of the environment.

The tenacity, political smarts and commitment to public service that propelled this Tallahassee mayor to victory from the bottom of the pack of better-known candidates in August’s Democratic primary speak volumes. We think that each quality will serve him well as he likely confronts and negotiates with a Republican-dominated Legislature. These lawmakers were used to falling into line behind a governor whose often skewed sense of public service too often matched their own.

Floridians can only expect more of the same should Gillum’s Republican opponent, Ron DeSantis, move into the Governor’s Mansion. That wouldn’t be good for Florida or the people who call it home.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article220402140.html

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October 21, 2018 8:19 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

Orlando Sentinel aka ‘Slantinel’ endorsed him, too.

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October 22, 2018 2:16 pm
jcitybone
jcitybone

More Come ON Tedddd
“Ted’s been to every county… in Iowa!” continues Davis, while the ad notes that Cruz’s attendance record places him in the bottom 10 percent of Senators. “I’m not paying for that anymore. Six more years of your aspirations? You go, Ted! Don’t let us get in your way.”
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/amp24020233/richard-linklater-ted-cruz-beto-orourke-ad/

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October 21, 2018 8:24 pm
Benny
Benny

Booker went to campaign for Staecy Abrams. I think that is a good thing.

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October 21, 2018 8:37 pm
polarbear4
polarbear4

maybe she’ll rub off on him. 😉

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October 21, 2018 9:24 pm
Benny
Benny

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October 21, 2018 9:08 pm
jcitybone
jcitybone

Chris Sevier is also named as a plaintiff. Sevier has filed lawsuits across the country in opposition to same-sex marriage, the newspaper noted.

He previously filed a lawsuit in Houston arguing that if men can marry other men, he should be allowed to marry his laptop.

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October 21, 2018 9:28 pm
Benny
Benny

Good tweet which sums up the CNN debate tonight between Gillum and DeSantis:

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October 21, 2018 9:12 pm
TheLeftistheCenter
TheLeftistheCenter

Gillum is a very good politician being very smooth and confident, but also very straight in his policy positions (unlike most typical politicians), so even though hes not quite progressive enough for me hes still so good as a package and so much better than the typical Fl gov, I actually like him alot and easily forgive his negatives.

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October 21, 2018 10:05 pm
orlbucfan
orlbucfan

He’s got my vote and the votes of everyone I respect politically. The jesus jerks excluded. I am hoping Nelson wins, too.

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October 22, 2018 2:20 pm
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