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jcitybone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/16/abc-town-hall-shows-trump-faces-great-peril-outside-fox-news-bubble/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-e-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&utm_source=reddit.com

President Trump deigned to take hard questions at a town hall on Tuesday night, and the verdict of his propagandists is in: Trump was treated with hideous unfairness even as he managed to convert the spectacle into a triumph through sheer force of his forthrightness and deep benevolence.

After Trump appeared at the ABC News forum, which featured Pennsylvania voters questioning Trump, Fox News’s Laura Ingraham pronounced the affair an “ambush” that could have been staged by the Democratic National Committee. The Fox chyron read:
ABC SPRINGS AMBUSH ON PRES TRUMP AT TOWN HALL

This response, and the town hall itself, capture a larger truth about the moment. When Trump is not permitted to freely dissemble with abandon or coddled by an interviewer who treats his magnificence as a foundational premise — as he so often is on Fox — he is actually very bad at answering difficult questions about his performance.

In a way, the Tuesday night town hall really was an ambush. It was an ambush of facts and follow-up questions that blew more big holes in the protective shield his propagandists have tried to construct around a record of extraordinary failure.

jcitybone

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/biden-reminds-trump-whos-prez-when-potus-blames-him-for-not-issuing-mask-mandate

Democratic president candidate Joe Biden, aka the guy who isn’t president, had a fairly important reminder for President Donald Trump on Tuesday night after the latter bizarrely attacked him during a town hall for not implementing a national mask mandate amid COVID-19.

“To be clear: I am not currently president,” Biden tweeted with a video of Trump’s strange deflection when a town hall participant in Philadelphia asked him why he didn’t support a mask mandate.

The President said he wears a mask “when I have to,” then suddenly switched to an attack against Democrats on the issue.

“They said at the Democrat convention they’re going to do a national mandate. They never did it, because they’ve checked out and they didn’t do it,” Trump told the town hall member. “And a good question is, you ask why Joe Biden…they said we’re going to do a national mandate on masks.”

When ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos, who was moderating the event, pointed out that Biden has in fact called on governors to implement a mask mandate, Trump falsely replied “Well no, but he didn’t do it. I mean, he never did it.”

jcitybone

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/16/hes-describing-massacre-trump-touts-herd-immunity-approach-covid-experts-warn-would

Insisting during a town hall Tuesday night that Covid-19 will simply disappear on its own—echoing a baseless claim he also made in February, March, April, May, June, July, and August—President Donald Trump touted a so-called “herd immunity” approach to the pandemic that public health experts warn would lead to hundreds of millions of new coronavirus infections and millions of additional deaths.

“We’re gonna be OK. And it is going away,” Trump told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. “And it’s probably gonna go away now a lot faster with the vaccine. It would go away without the vaccine, George.”

When Stephanopoulos replied that “many deaths” would result such a scenario, Trump said: “You’ll develop like a herd mentality. It’s gonna be herd developed, and that’s gonna happen. That will all happen. But with a vaccine, I think it will go away very quickly. But I really believe we’re rounding the corner, and I believe that strongly.”

‘Herd mentality’ is what his cult followers have,” epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding tweeted following the president’s comments late Tuesday. “‘Herd immunity’ without a vaccine is deadly. Trump’s idiocy on science is killing us.”

University of Michigan professor Justin Wolfers noted that “developing herd immunity doesn’t just take time, it works by infecting over a hundred million and killing hundreds of thousands.”

“He’s describing a massacre,” tweeted Wolfers. “If you think the problem here is that he said herd mentality rather than herd immunity, you’re missing the big picture. Whatever word he spoke, the idea is to sacrifice several hundred thousand more people’s lives.”

wi62

Like Skippy Walker in WI Trumpcorp needs the scripted softball questions to be effective, Walker did very few non scripted interviews. Most people saw how he did when he ran for president

jcitybone

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/politics/bernie-sanders-chuck-schumer-mcconnell-letter/index.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer of New York are calling on Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to create a new bipartisan committee focused on election integrity and schedule hearings to reassure Americans over a process President Donald Trump has repeatedly sought to undermine.

There is growing anxiety among Democrats, and some Republicans, that Trump will not only continue to sow doubt over the legitimacy of the coming election but throw the subsequent count into chaos by declaring victory before all the votes can be tallied, including the millions that will arrive by mail.

In a letter to McConnell, Sanders and Schumer quote back the Kentucky senator’s own words, in which he attested to the reliability of mail-in voting by citing its successes in Oregon, Washington and Colorado, which have been using the system for years.

Trump has repeatedly questioned the validity of mail-in voting, promoted conspiracy theories questioning election security, called on supporters to act as unsanctioned “poll watchers,” and suggested that the absence of a clear result by the evening of November 3 would in some way cast doubt on the eventual outcome. Key allies in powerful positions, like

Attorney General Bill Barr, have followed suit. Barr has persisted in puffing up a debunked claim that ballots received by mail would somehow strip the sender of their privacy — ignoring well-established safeguards.

By escalating the matter now, Sanders and Schumer are responding to growing concern, in partisan and nonpartisan spaces, that Americans are not adequately prepared for the potential of a longer-than-usual wait for results or Trump’s willingness to short-circuit the democratic process if he smells defeat.

“Democrats and Republicans in Congress must come together to ensure that we have a free and fair election where every vote is cast and counted without intimidation,” Sanders told CNN, “where no one has to put his or her health in danger to cast a ballot, and where we have full confidence in the results.”

Benny

Not that Mitch will listen. If Charles Booker were McTurtle’s opponent, he would pay attention.

orlbucfan

Amen X 100!😡

jcitybone

https://www.justsecurity.org/72434/mass-job-losses-and-other-economic-costs-of-president-trumps-inaction-on-coronavirus/

The president, of course, argues that the economy is in shambles not because of a failed public health response on his part, but instead due to the lockdowns implemented in most states across the country. These measures, he argues, are the real reason consumer demand has crumpled. The president believes that economic activity would roar back to its pre-pandemic level if only the United States were open again for business.

That’s a false hope built on mistaken empirical assumptions. There is strong evidence suggesting that the fear of the virus’s spread (perhaps compounded by an inadequate policy response) led to an economic slowdown before stay-at-home orders were even in place. As early as February, real-time economic data show a marked decline in spending on high-contact activities. From mid-January to mid-March, consumer spending on (i) transportation, (ii) entertainment and recreation, and (iii) restaurants and hotels declined by 24 percent, 24 percent, and 9 percent, respectively. Spending on groceries, on the other hand, surged by 43 percent over the same time period, indicating a clear public acknowledgement of the health risks of venturing out of the home and economic belt-tightening.

This phenomenon also holds true across states. Analysis shows that states with more serious restrictions did not see worse economic outcomes than states with more lax ones. In many cases, the economic outcomes in states with longer stay-at-home orders improved after lockdowns ended. States that gambled with their residents’ lives by not shutting down or by reopening too quickly ended up with nothing to show for it economically.

This patchwork of lockdowns has only compounded the confusion. Since the beginning of the pandemic, states have been in a constant shuffle of reopening and shutting back down based on caseloads within their borders. Yet there are serious problems with delegating lockdowns to states, the most obvious one being that Americans are mostly free to move between them. Even the most diligent state can have its progress in combatting the virus erased by an inflow of infected guests or a transient mask-weary population.

While the implementation of a national lockdown may be unconstitutional, the president could have taken significant steps to encourage people to stay home and adopted other mitigation measures, and then collaborated with states to enforce such policies. Instead, he offered conflicting messages on wearing masks, downplayed the risks, pushed fake cures, and tried to turn state lockdowns into partisan issues.

Now, the United States is virtually alone among wealthy countries in its mounting death count.

wi62

Its not the wealthy that are dying so no problem, the rich went off to their maga yachts or islands

jcitybone

More success down ballot as opposed to the top race for Senate

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/16/wave-2020-progressive-challengers-usurp-moderate-delaware-democrats/5790540002/

Four of the seven incumbent Democratic lawmakers on the ballot on Tuesday lost their seats to underdog challengers, an indication the state’s Democratic voter base appears to crave progressive law changes and candidates.

All four of the Democrats who defeated incumbents on Tuesday are either Black, openly gay or Muslim, and if they win in November would diversify the 62-person General Assembly’s largely white lawmaking body.

The most powerful lawmaker to fall was four-decade incumbent Senate President Pro Tempore David McBride, who lost to Christiana Hospital social worker Marie Pinkney by 282 votes.

Tuesday’s stunning upsets could tip the scales on left-leaning bills that need just a few more votes, such as stricter gun control, legal marijuana and a $15 minimum wage.

Benny

that’s a smile! thanks for sharing!!!

jcitybone

This is good for Dems to have on the ballot

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/fl-ne-florida-minimum-wage-monmouth-september-poll-20200916-p2xk3atobzgdxdna4bdvtognzi-story.html

A Monmouth University Poll shows 67% of Florida voters plan to support the November referendum that would gradually increase the state’s minimum wage to $15 an hour.

If the findings hold through the election, that’s more than enough than the 60% required for passage.

The proposal has the support of 67% of registered voters, with 26% opposed, according to the Monmouth poll released on Tuesday.

jcitybone

For orlbuc. The Orlando area may deliver Florida for the Dems

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/15/orlando-democratic-voters-trump-reelection-415526

In the shadow of Walt Disney World, in one of Florida’s fast-growing metropolises, Democrats are assembling a political machine that they’re counting on to destroy President Donald Trump’s dreams of reelection.

The president must win Florida to capture a second term. But the increasingly Democratic Orlando region stands in his way as one of the few places in Florida with a bench of Democratic officials and a grassroots infrastructure to go along with it. As a result, the Biden campaign and Florida Democrats think it can help deliver the crowning blow to Trump in November.

That’s what brought Joe Biden to Central Florida Tuesday, where he had a campaign stop in the Puerto Rican-heavy city of Kissimmee. While the visit was ostensibly about connecting with Hispanic voters in honor of Hispanic Heritage month, the bigger target was populous Orange and Osceola counties, which have taken on heightened significance in 2020.

Orlando’s Orange County has voted Democratic in five consecutive presidential elections. But last month’s primaries provided ample evidence that the county is ready to turn an even deeper shade of blue after the party won two county commission races and nominated a rising star in Democratic and Florida Puerto Rican politics, state Rep. Amy Mercado, to become countywide property appraiser.

Driving the leftward momentum: explosive urban growth, fueled by young voters and those with Puerto Rican roots, like Mercado. They are spreading from Orlando and Kissimmee throughout the swing state’s swing area, the Interstate 4 Corridor, which the Orlando media market anchors in the middle of the state.

Recent Orange County elections — which showcased Democrats’ growing mastery of vote-by-mail absentee ballots amid the pandemic — served as a warning sign to Republicans who worry that the county could run up the score so much that it puts Biden over the top in this closely fought state.

orlbucfan

The infamous 🙂 I-4 Corridor stretches from Daytona Beach to Tampa. Daytona is still quite conservative, but not Orlando nor Tampa. I’ve got Hispanic friends who will vote rock solid blue.

orlbucfan

Problem is the voters approve measures like med pot, allowing convicted felons who have served time to vote again, and now the minimum wage hike (it will pass with no problem). The crooked FRighwingnut aholes who still control the FL House and Senate in Tallahassee either ignore the voters or delay, delay, delay.

jcitybone

So far Pelosi is siding with liberals/progressives and not moderates.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/516652-pelosi-we-need-to-put-covid-deal-on-the-floor-that-will-become-law

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday said that she has no intention of staging a vote on emergency coronavirus legislation if it lacks the bipartisan support to win President Trump’s signature.

“We could put a bill on the floor, but we want to put a bill on the floor that will become law,” Pelosi said in an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program.

The comments will be a disappointment to some moderates in her caucus who, furious with the partisan impasse over the next round of emergency relief, are calling for Pelosi to bring another Democratic bill to the House floor, both to pressure Republicans back to the negotiating table and to provide vulnerable lawmakers with political ammunition when they return to their purple districts.

The unrest has bubbled over this week, following the House’s return to Washington after a long summer recess. Leaders of the various moderate groups — the Blue Dogs, the New Democrat Coalition and the Problem Solvers Caucus — have all voiced concerns that the four months that have passed since the HEROES Act vote has created perceptions among voters that House Democrats have stopped working to address the accelerating crisis.

Pelosi emphasized Wednesday that Democrats have already slashed their demands for the next relief bill, from $3.4 trillion down to $2.4 trillion, only to see Republicans moving in the opposite direction.

While Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) had initially pushed a $1.1 trillion package, the bill he brought to the chamber floor last week featured only $650 billion in aid. Senate Democrats quickly defeated the measure.

“We have come down,” Pelosi said. “But the needs of the American people — we can only go so far.”

Amid the intracaucus squabble, Pelosi has won the strong backing of liberals, unions and powerful committee chairs, who are busy working to change certain timelines within the HEROES Act provisions to lower the cost of the overall bill without cutting actual benefits. Pelosi cautioned, however, that new needs have emerged since May and additional provisions will likely be added to the package.

Benny

I think an up or down vote is better. Sorry, but it would expose Trump more.

OzoneTom
OzoneTom

Not to mention Representatives who are opposed to helping their constituents.

Maybe that’s the problem.

polarbear4
polarbear4

shahid would pounce, rightfully so.

jcitybone

Booker is good on this issue

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/15/a-savagely-broken-food-system-cory-booker-wants-radical-reform-now

From a viral pandemic to the movement for racial justice to the worsening climate crisis, Senator Cory Booker says the massive challenges facing the US right now are all tied to a “savagely broken food system”.

And last week, his most recent challenge to that system gained new momentum, when a coalition of 300 farm, food, and environmental advocacy organizations sent a letter to Congress urging legislators to pass a bill that would eventually eliminate the country’s largest concentrated animal feeding operations (Cafos).

Speaking exclusively to the Guardian, Booker, a New Jersey senator who ran for the democratic presidential nomination earlier this year, says: “Nobody seems to be calling out how multinational, vertically integrated industrial agricultural companies are threatening American wellbeing, and I just think that the more people learn about these practices, the more shocked they are.

“I don’t think most Americans realize that the way we raise animals is such a betrayal of the heritage of our grandparents. I don’t think they realize that … these big companies like Smithfield and Cargill and others have our American farmers now living like sharecroppers in constant debt, forced to follow their rules. I’ve watched the suffering in North Carolina of minority communities who live around Cafos and can no longer breathe their air … and I’ve seen workers in the meatpacking plants and how dangerous those plants are.

“Everybody is losing in this system – except for the massive corporations that have taken over the American food system.”

Benny

I’m starting to buy more meat from local farms. Expensive as get out, but as there is only Mr. Benny and myself, I can get two – three meals from a lb of ground beef or chicken. The local farms are now starting to advertise when they will be making shipments to our community, and I think that’s one place to start with sustainable ag. But, a poverty stricken family can’t afford their prices ($8 a lb for Angus beef) or $5 per lb for pork country ribs. Moreover, many local farms still don’t take SNAP coupons or cards, even though they are issued through the USDA.

polarbear4
polarbear4

I forgot to tell people that imperfect.com it is actually nationwide, not limited to the left coast. It may not be in your area but it doesn’t hurt to check it out. Imperfect food for less. Just as delicious though. It’s not as cheap as I’d like, but it is cheaper. And it’s not just vegetables. Get a pound of wild caught cod for eight dollars. Lots of other stuff. Worth a look.

polarbear4
polarbear4

and they source veggies locally when they can.

wi62

A nephew of mine married into a farm family a while back, so that means fresh beef , just pay for processing. The difference between processed meat and the fresh is amazing

orlbucfan

One of my dearest friends lives in the NC foothills, and she’s taken me for drives by the corporate pig farms. The stench from the poop holes is horrendous. That’s on top of how these poor animals are raised. Tortured is more like it.😡🤬