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10/7 VP Debate & OT; Happy Hour

The Progressive Wing Posted on October 7, 2020 by BennyOctober 7, 2020



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The vice-presidential debate actually matters this time

Not only are Vice President Pence and Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) as different as night and day politically, but also they present an inescapable demographic contrast between two Americas. Harris, of Jamaican and Indian descent, and Pence, quite possibly the Whitest man in the country, bring different life experiences and represent what many see as the future and the past.

Demographically, as well as politically, it seems the future is brown and female. America’s past, as pollsters and pundits never tire of reminding us, is White and male.

Should such things matter? Obviously, what matters most are character, intelligence, experience and beliefs, combined with temperament and those incalculable human qualities we’ve been missing these past four years — empathy, sincerity, warmth, wisdom, seriousness of purpose and, so important, humor. Self-deprecation, something we’ve seen in presidents going back generations, is a sign not only of confidence but also of humility. Donald Trump is the first president I can recall who clearly has no idea what I’m talking about.

While it is customary to evaluate whether a vice president is presidential material should circumstance warrant, such warranting is a serious matter this time around. Democratic nominee Joe Biden is 77 and, though it can be uncomfortable to discuss, is increasingly showing his age, even if he seems healthy and sharp most of the time. The number 80 looms large in any presidential calculus. Trump is 74 himself and, oh yes, currently is infected by a deadly virus.

Thus, the compelling questions: Does America consider Harris, who dropped out of the Democratic primary race early because of her weak standing, ready to be president of the United States at a moment of enormous uncertainty and upheaval? Her résumé, which includes serving as California’s attorney general and a U.S. senator, needs little buffing. Ironically, her prosecutorial record, in some ways, reads more conservative than the liberal, Black Lives Matter emissary she has become. Then again, voter volition is more complex than political biography.

For Pence, the test is different. What has he become after almost four years as one of Trump’s closest advisers and supporters — one who, protected by the Constitution, couldn’t be fired?

The vice president is no slouch either, as résumés go. Before joining the Trump team, he was governor of Indiana and a six-term member of the U.S. House. Most likely, however, the image most people likely conjure up of him now is silent sentinel over the president’s shoulder. He’s very much more than that, however. Newt Gingrich has said that Pence is, after Trump, one of the few people with the most policy influence in the administration.

When, just a few days ago, Pence seemed poised to take over the presidency (at least temporarily) when Trump fell ill with covid-19, the nation was suddenly forced to consider what that would be like. Given how things have gone these past days, perhaps they thought they could get used to it. On Monday, in one of his oddest performances to date (which is saying something), Trump stood at attention on the White House balcony and held a sustained military salute like something choreographed by Kim Jong Un’s propaganda machine. This signified — what? That the commander in chief, newly home from the hospital, was reporting for duty?

What to know about the 2020 presidential debates

In the same news cycle, a manic Trump irresponsibly and dangerously advised Americans not to fear covid-19.

So voters can be forgiven as they watch Wednesday’s debate and imagine a different future.

Is America ready, if not now, then perhaps in 2024, for a President Pence? A President Harris? At least there’s a solid chance people can form an opinion after tuning in. Unlike last week’s angry, incoherent presidential debate, which was anything but presidential, Pence and Harris can be expected to discuss the issues like normal politicians. There may be occasional barbs, but if you’re interested in how the two tickets’ policies differ, this is the one to watch.

For now, it seems that for a growing majority of voters, including in swing states the polls say are drifting toward the Democrats, a Harris administration would be better than a second Trump term. Yet, if Trump does make a comeback, it could be because of Harris. From my own reading of conservatives, many would happily vote for the familiar Biden but fear his potential succession by Harris, who they believe would turn the country hard to the left. A strong and credible performance by Harris on Wednesday could allay some of those fears.

In 2020, Joe Biden and Donald Trump may be the headliners, but, clearly, Kamala Harris and Mike Pence are far more than also-rans.

More news, tweets, videos, and jibber-jabber in the comments. Happy Hump day!

Update: a Tweet that is riffing off Goodfellas. Can you guess the song?

Had to update it pic.twitter.com/dlhVIZzyN2

— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) October 7, 2020

Benny’s Bar is Now Open for Happy Hour. Mocktails, Beer, Wine, Mad Men cocktails served upon request in the comments.

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Posted in 2020 Elections, Open Thread | Tagged COVID, Derek & the Dominos, Goodfellas, Happy Hour, Kamala Harris, Mike Pence, Trump, Vice President | 144 Replies

Bernie’s the most popular politician in US. Favorability at 58% among Women.

The Progressive Wing Posted on April 21, 2017 by Subir GrewalApril 21, 2017

The Harvard Harris poll sampled over 2000 voters across the country last week (April 14-17). Sanders is viewed favorably by 57 percent of registered voters, according to data from a Harvard-Harris survey provided exclusively to The Hill. Sanders is the only person in a field of 16 Trump administration officials or congressional leaders included in the survey who is viewed favorably by a majority of those polled. […] Only 32 percent have a negative view of Sanders, including nearly two-thirds of Republicans. — thehill.com/… It’s important to note that the survey looked only at current politicians, not those who aren’t in office today. Obama’s … Continue reading →

Posted in Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton | Tagged Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Donald Trump, Elizabeth Warren, Hillary Clinton, Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Rex Tillerson

2016 VP Debate

The Progressive Wing Posted on October 4, 2016 by BennyOctober 4, 2016

Elaine Quijano is the moderator. For those who haven’t heard of her, here’s some info. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-elaine-quijano-moderator-of-the-vice-presidential-debate/ Debate format is sit down, identical to the one in 2004, where Sen John Edwards stumbled against Darth Vader (VP Cheney). More about that later.

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Posted in Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Meta | Tagged debates, Mike Pence, Tim Kaine, Vice President

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