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joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Bueller’s piece doesn’t really belong with the rest. He isn’t asking the question “Why don’t millennials like Hillary Clinton?” He accepts that they don’t, and seems to agree with them. His piece is about why (some – as you note, they are giving her her largest margins) millennials won’t hold their nose and vote for her in order to defeat Trump. That’s a different question, one that doesn’t assume that disliking Clinton must be wrong.

Oh, and Beutler also point that it’s galling and dishonest for Baby Boomers or anyone else to point fingers at millennials in this piece.

magsview

I liked that Beutler piece.

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joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Ha ha, autocorrect.

Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

magsview

Thank you Spring Texan, for highlighting what appears to be Hillary’s (and the Dem party’s) Achilles heel. Because one gets the impression that the PTB do not get it.

You may have seen this article I posted yesterday:

Clinton hasn’t won over millennials. And no, sexism isn’t to blame

Hillary Clinton is having a harder time beating Donald Trump than she bargained for. According to a recent poll, a staggering 44% of millennials say they’ll be voting for either Green party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Gary Johnson. The chief reason for Clinton’s dip in these polls is not – as Barack Obama claimed on Sunday – that she’s a woman (though sexism does have a lot to answer for). It’s because Clinton has assumed a third of the electorate – millennials – would vote for her out of fear of her opponent.

Simply put, we want more.

What Clinton can do now is prove that she’s listening. Doing so could bear fruit in the polls, but only if she shows she’s willing to part ways with her billionaire friends and push for policies that are in line with what millennials really want.

At a time when Americans across the political spectrum are turning against the status quo, Clinton seems to be embracing it. She spent weeks in August wooing millionaire donors in Silicon Valley and Martha’s Vineyard, and has chased endorsements from Bush-era official and war criminals like Henry Kissinger. It’s out of frustration that millennials will register protest votes, not ignorance.

I agree with Kate Aronoff.

Clinton represents everything that hasn’t worked for us.

If Clinton and the Democratic party carry on with ‘politics as usual’, it could very well signal the end of the party.

p.s. Kevin Drum has become a laughingstock. As has Mother Jones. It’s sad.

NVPainter

Kevin Drum’s pieces on this, blaming Bernie, have been appalling. And I’m so sorry to see Mother Jones head in this direction.

Interestingly, HC talked about raising the income tax levels on high income earners, so they “pay their fair share” — a phrase borrowed from Bernie. Do you think maybe she’s getting a clue?

magsview

I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good catch by the way.

And I agree with you about Mother Jones. It pained me to unfollow them on twitter. I’ve read them for years!

Sorry millennials. Clara Jeffery, Editor-in-Chief of Mother Jones, hates you AND your little dog too!

Gosh Clara, this is sorta harsh, don’cha think?

i have never hated millennials more https://t.co/q042TC2Lul pic.twitter.com/zHoqYJ2UwO

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) September 15, 2016

‘Sounds like the Editor-in-Chief at Mother Jones hates people who don’t vote for Hillary Clinton, especially young Democrats who would rather support Bernie Sanders or Gary Johnson.

She seems cranky.’

grapevines

Unfortunately, talking about some thing and actually doing it are two separate things. I see no indication from her record in the Senate that indicates she’ll raise those tax brackets, in fact she supported just the opposite while there.

I think she was just pandering too the working class in order too get their vote.

NVPainter

You’re absolutely right about the difference between talk and action. But Trump’s talk is about reducing the income tax for himself and his buddies! I’m sure he means it. And that would definitely NOT be helpful.

But if we back up Bernie — and he needs us behind us, showing how much that and other issues he supports matter — then we can help him hold her feet to the fire.

wi62

I have to agree with grapevines on her comment, I remember a debate with Walker and Tom Barret,(goveners race) it had to do with right to work. Walker was his usual non committal self during the election. Barret called out Walker on it -Barret said” I guarantee you that if right to work passes the legislature he will sign it”. Walker said nothing in response he just had his usual dead pan stare when backed into a corner. I just don’t see Hillary doing anything that we will benefit from much as middle class americans. I just get the same feeling about her as I did Walker. My 6th sense is nothing compared to the ladies out on the TPW but she gives me a full scale red alert almost like walking down a dark alley about 2am in a high crime area. If she wins and probably will I would gladly help Bernie holding her feet to a red hot fire

NVPainter

She actually did say that the tax rates on the wealthy need to go up, and that the people at the top need to pay their fair share. She sounded a little bit like she was co-opting Bernie. Maybe she’s realized that she needs to be an actual Democrat in order to get our votes, not a moderate Republican. Maybe she’s just doing it for optics — I don’t know. But she’s on record as saying it, and we’ll have to make sure she really does it. She was not being non-committal about that.

She’s not who I’d prefer, if I had my druthers, but she is far, far closer to Bernie than Trump is.

phatkhat

I’d rather she was tied to a stake in that fire. 🙂

NVPainter

Ugh. Maybe let’s change that image? I do genealogy. Members of my family were arrested, tortured, and hanged during the Salem witch trials. It’s bad enough it happened in our country and the world, but, please, let it not be something we visit even in metaphor….

I’ll try to think of another way around that “hold her feet to the fire” metaphor.

phatkhat

Yada, yada, yada. I am SICK of hearing about holding her feet to the fire. Bernie can’t do it, and neither can we. The only people with the power to influence HRC are those above her. Bernie should have stood up to her and the DNC, and cried foul early on in the primaries. He didn’t, and she shit all over him. Mind you, I think he (or his family) was threatened in order for him to fold so completely, but if my supposition is correct, you can be sure the deck is well and truly stacked against us.

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Hold on. When Hillary Clinton was in the Senate, she voted against the Bush tax cut for the wealthy. Her husband, of course, signed a bill raising the top income tax rate as one of his first legislative acts.

What part of Hillary’s Senate record on taxes were you thinking of?

polarbear4

We shall see. Hope I’m wrong and that she really does. Or she will, but with some hidden offset. i’m a curmudgeon.

NVPainter

I understand feeling curmudgeonly. We’ll have to wait and see…. Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope she does! 🙂

phatkhat

You ain’t alone. I’m not just a curmudgeon, I’m a full blown cynic.

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Bernie is now saying that Hillary will announce a “radical” – his word – new policy for college affordability during a joint appearance of the two of them.

So I’m thinking, yeah, she’s getting that clue. She knows her path to victory goes through teenaged and 20-something Bernie supporters. Because it does.

NVPainter

That would be a good thing. “Debt-free” college doesn’t go far enough. And I hope they’ll present something that’s reasonable for all the students who are burdened with huge college debt now. After all, the banks are borrowing the money at — what — practically 0% interest?

phatkhat

No, she isn’t getting a clue. She’s just pandering. It will all go away after the election.

wi62

My 3 mellennials simply don’t trust her and see her as part of the problem with the Govt. Being a woman has not one thing to do with it. They want no part of trump and 2 of the 3 are considering not voting at all. Trying to encourage them for certain down ballots as they can leave the pres ballot blank or vote for jill or write in. Overall they “know” that this election for President is useless for them to vote in and that She wants just their vote and wont do a damn thing for the issues they care about.

NVPainter

After last night’s debate, I’m not feeling so complacent.

I really do think if we can show how much Bernie and his issues make a difference as to whether we support her or not, then we can help him push her to the left. If Trump gets elected, they’ll lose a woman’s right to choose in nothing flat, climate change will speed ahead, and nothing will help them get access to college and health care.

We can at least hope, right? If we do nothing, we’ve lost already.

And I do so hope Russ gets back in the Senate! We all need him!

wi62

That’s were I hope to get them out to vote –down ballot Russ ,Lloyd , Harris

polarbear4

If only! Would love to see an Independent or other Prog Party take ascendancy. Do I see it in the stars? In my dreams, maybe. :O)

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Why wish for that, when we’re a cycle or two from taking over one of the major parties?

magsview

Which major party @joefromLowell?

Are you talking about the Dems taking over the Republican voters? (because of the way the Democratic party has moved so much to the right)

Or are you talking about progs taking over the Democratic party?

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

I’m talking about the progressive faction taking over the Democrats.

And the Boomers didn’t change; they were always like this, their own mythology aside. Back in the late 60s, polls showed that young people (that is, Boomers) were more supportive of the Vietnam War than old people.

phatkhat

We were pretty sharply divided, I suppose. I had college friends who supported Wallace in 68, friends who were SDS, and friends who were stoners. The Greeks were a different world from the rads. Maybe it was the Greeks who became the rich boomers who wrecked everything. They were assholes even then. A lot of Bernie people among boomers are old hippies like me, LOL.

phatkhat

Millennials will probably go the way of the boomers. Radical now, but a number of them will go to Wall St. and make a fortune, and they will become more conservative and money driven. And the wheel will turn again.

phatkhat

I agree about Drum and MJ. I used to have great respect for both. But it appears they have joined the ranks of Krugman, Reich, and MSNBC. Sigh.

jcitybone

Bernie riding to the rescue of Hillary–they are hoping that he can convince his supporters (1) to vote and (2) not to vote third party.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/bernie-sanders-campaign-for-clinton-228701

“Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is planning a “very, very vigorous” travel schedule to campaign on behalf of Hillary Clinton in the weeks leading up to the November election, he said Monday.

Sanders, in an interview before Monday night’s first general election debate, told MSNBC’s Brian Williams and Rachel Maddow that he plans to “go all over this country” to advocate for Clinton, the Democratic nominee and his former opponent in the party’s often-contentious primary elections.

“We’re working on a schedule right now, which is going to be a very, very vigorous schedule,” Sanders said. “We’re going to go all over this country. We’re going to go wherever Secretary Clinton’s people think that I am needed, and I am going to work as hard as I can to make sure that Donald Trump does not become the next president.”

The two are already scheduled to appear together on Wednesday at the University of New Hampshire Field House to discuss college affordability.

Clinton has struggled to capture the enthusiasm of some of Sanders’ former supporters, especially the young voters who flocked to his campaign’s promise of “political revolution” and focus on campaign finance reform.”

tocino
tocino

Bernie would have a much better result stumping for Zephyr and a few other attractive candidates. He lowers himself and many of us (IMO) stumping for Hillary.

harrybothered
harrybothered

He’s only doing what he always said he would do, but I agree with you that he’s largely wasting his time. Only 150 people showed up at one college campus appearance for Hillary. Compare that with 10-20K he regularly got stumping for himself.

jcitybone

Well there is a difference between the excitement of a candidate rally in an election campaign and a surrogate stumping for a candidate. That being said, in a close election, any Bernie supporter that Bernie can convince to vote for Clinton (or against Trump) is helpful to Clinton.

Notice he is in NH tomorrow with Hillary. NH and nearby Maine are pretty close between Clinton/Trump right now (in fact one electoral vote from Maine appears to be solid for Trump). As a neighbor, he is very popular there, and may be in a position to sway more votes.

NVPainter

I saw the debate last night… and I think Bernie sees this campaigning as essential. After all, he lost relatives during the Holocaust. Trump’s racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and targeting of “the other” echoes facism far too closely for Bernie to want to risk it growing in our country, let alone taking control.

It’s entirely possible that Hillary will understand just how much she owes him by the time it gets to the election. And if she does, he’ll have more leverage for the platform he worked so hard to negotiate for — and maybe to influence some of her choices for the Cabinet, and for advisors, and people in significant positions, too.

Bernie didn’t get to be the Amendment King for no reason — he knows how to work with people he disagrees with, and find ways to get what he wants done by working with them. I have a feeling he’s just doing more of what he already does so well. I know I couldn’t manage it. I admire him enormously.

grapevines

….not only that, which I agree with you on, but he has a tendency to grimace when he stands next too her and purses his lips a lot while she’s speaking.

I think he’s not very good at hiding strong feelings…he does want to make sure Trump doesn’t get elected though. I have my own theory, besides the ones Bernie gives, about why he doesn’t want him in the WH.

I think it originally stemmed from hearing that Trump kept a copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf on his night stand and read it nightly (myth or fact? who knows) and the fear of Trump snowballed from there. Whether Trump actually read it I don’t know, he doesn’t strike me as a big reader. Being endorsed by white supremacists, Hells Angles and the likes of Davide Duke along with things Trump spouted off during the primary probably sealed the deal for Bernie.

He said this during an interview in Flint MI just last March

“I am very proud to be Jewish, and being Jewish is so much of what I am,” he said at the event in Flint, Michigan. “Look, my father’s family was wiped out by Hitler in the Holocaust. I know about what crazy and radical, and extremist politics mean.”

NVPainter

Did you notice how Trump looked so shifty-eyed during the debate? It was very interesting… he really made me think of a con man trying to figure out how to pull the wool over someone’s eyes.

grapevines

He did look shifty eyed. I got the impression he was trying too be soft (gentlemanly in an old-fashioned way) with Hillary and not resort too the same kind of insult style he used too effectively demolish his Republican opponents in their debates…none of that go-for-the-throat kind of stuff.

He looked wary of her and what she’d say next. After all, the two families have been friends for years, Bill is a golfing buddy, their two daughters are best friends. The Clinton’s were at his wedding. My guess is they both know a lot of personal, non public, stuff about each other as long time family friends tend too do.

I think that is what was making him look at her with slitted, guarded eyes.

Did you notice he had his hand and arm around her back in a caring gesture at the end of the debate when they were walking too the front of the stage?

NVPainter

Oh, I saw that arm around her back, but I definitely didn’t see it as a caring gesture! It looked to me like a controlling, I’m-the-big-guy-here kind of thing, as though he was trying to reassert his power.

grapevines

…humm, it certainly could have been that. Good point. I felt Hillary was the one in control of the debate which was probably a big threat too his enormous chauvinistic ego.

He seemed totally unprepared for any of it and fell back on bully tactics in the 2nd half. Hillary definitely got the better of him and brought out his character flaws for all too see. I thought that was very skillful, she was baiting him & he fell for it.

…what can appear caring can also mask control.

NVPainter

Bingo. I think you’re right on.

CaliforniaPat
CaliforniaPat

Not just young voters, old people like me will not vote for her either!

grapevines

I won’t be voting for her either, I think she’ll send all my older grand children too continuous wars around the world and privatize Social Security and Medicare.

NVPainter

But what do you think Trump would do?

grapevines

I think a President Trump will be able too accomplish few of his goals. He’ll have no support in the Senate and House. I also think he’ll only hold office for 4 years. As for taxes, I think he and Clinton will follow the same agenda on those once elected..it’ll remain the same as it is now.

I do think he won’t involve us in more wars and will certainly not start a war with Russia. I think there might be a return to detente and an end too nation building with the US working behind the scene or using our military to over throw foreign governments (all for the benefit of American & multi-national corporations). Trump’s an isolationist.

I don’t think the Donald will be able too privatize Social Security or Medicare. He’ll have too much resistance from Dems that will fight anything he proposes. Hillary, on the other hand, would be able too do that.

I, personally, won’t be voting for him. I see the Donald as a “do nothing” president, as apposed to HRC who can accomplish great evil that will affect the world for the next 100 years. I’m sure she’ll support the TPP.

@NVPainter

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

The discussion about “What would Trump do?” And “What would Hillary do?” seems to be missing something: our presidents are heads of coalitions.

For the most part, Hillary Clinton would govern like any other Democratic president, and Donald Trump would govern like any other Republican, because they can only operate within a certain ideological and policy range of acceptability for their coalition. There are differences on the margin, but for th most part, Hillary Clinton would be like a variation of Barack Obama, and Donald Trump would govern as a version of George Bush – two figures who were themselves limited in their range of operation by their partisan coalitions.

jcitybone

I agree that Clinton will govern somewhat like Obama–same on the civil rights area, perhaps a bit better on the economic front, potentially much worse on foreign policy. However, I think Trump is a real wild card since he’s not coming from the establishment Republicans. He obviously will be constrained legislatively, but much less so in what he can do on his own. Additionally the Republicans of the George Bush Presidency are not the same ones we’re dealing with today.

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Sure there are differences between Trump Republicans and other Republicans on policy, but at their core:

They want to cut taxes for the wealthy and corporations. They want to cut social welfare spending. They want to gut environmental, worker safety, and environmental regulations. They want to crush unions. They want to roll back reproductive rights. They want to support the fossil fuel industry. There is an entire presidential term worth of legislative goals for Trump and the Republican establishment to cooperate on before they run into their first disagreement.

There may be some portion of Trump’s agenda the Republicans in Congress would oppose, but to think they’d spend the term fighting over those instead of doing all the stuff they agree on is pretty optimistic.

NVPainter

@grapevines, joe from Lowell has summed it up pretty well for me. Trump is not harmless. In fact, he’s said that Mike Pence will be doing a lot of the work — and Mike Pence’s record is horrific for women, and not good for people in general.

As someone who cares about a woman’s right to choose; about the environment; about preserving and not privatizing education and Social Security; about protections for workers; about civil rights; about peace; and about restoring some semblance of economic equality, among other things, there’s no way I can see Trump elected.

Obviously, we can agree to disagree! But under Trump, Republicans would push through as much as they can — including new appointee(s) to the Supreme Court. Trump is unhinged, and we can’t afford to hand him any power. He would use it, and he’s got no sense of ethics or the Constitution. He’s nuts. I couldn’t stand two hours of him during the debate — I can’t stand listening to him for two minutes generally; I don’t know how I managed to sit through the debate. But I learned a lot from watching his shifty eyes; listening to his lies, his rudeness, his lack of comprehension, and his off-the-wall answers that got progressively weirder as he fell apart; and seeing his narcissism in all of it. None of us can afford four years of him. I’m trusting Bernie on this. He’s known this all along — and the debate helped me see that.

I live in CA, but I may not register the protest vote for Stein that I’d planned. I don’t think I want to risk it, even in my presumably safe blue state. So I’m still supporting Bernie, not in the way I’d hoped, but in the way he needs us to now. He’s still fighting for us, and working to protect us, and he still needs our support.

grapevines

I agree on most of the points you’ve brought up…Pence scares the cr*p out of me and so does Ryan.

magsview

In a way, @grapevines, Pence scares me more than Trump. Trump looks like a wannabe, whereas Pence looks like he could play a Nazi as an actor in a movie.

grapevines

…actually he looks like he could play one in real life…just think he could be one step away from the world’s most powerful leadership position. A grim prospect indeed.

NVPainter

Oh, he does look like that… I hadn’t seen that yet. What an observation, @magsview! That is grim.

phatkhat

At least Pence DOES acknowledge anthropogenic climate change. Unfortunately, he, like Clinton, still thinks there’s such a thing as clean coal.

As to choice, Hill has said the states could set time limits, and she isn’t for late term. As it is, Roe protects the right to an abortion at the national level, but the states have found all kinds of ways to circumvent it that will pass constitutional muster. I’m not sure that the POTUS will have a lot of say regarding choice.

No matter who ascends the throne, the SCOTUS appointees will be pro-business/banking. They may be more or less socially conservative, but the mood of the country as a whole is shifting left on issues like gay rights. Though millennials are not all that wrapped around the axle about choice, oddly.

And either one of them will appoint lobbyists, banksters, hedge fund managers, warhawks, and austerity-pushers to their cabinets. We’re screwed either way.

I’m not defending Trump, because he’s a jerk. But I don’t see him as a bigger jerk than Clintons, and yeah, there will be another co-presidency.

NVPainter

There is a proposition going on the ballot in Florida (or is it a law going before the legislature? Please correct me if I’m wrong) that would charge women and doctors with murder for abortion, including abortions using the morning-after pill, and including — believe it or not — PREVENTING FERTILIZATION by using an IUD!

We can’t stand another Scalia… and how long can RBG and Breyer hang in there?

My grandmothers told me about the women in my family, in their generation, who were affected by the lack of access to safe and legal birth control and abortion, including the one who nearly died from a self-induced abortion (knitting needles). We can’t go back there again. Republicans will ensure that we do.

So will we be screwed equally no matter who gets elected? I don’t think so. I don’t want to see women’s lives endangered by any more idiot conservatives. It’s only one issue. But there really is a difference.

phatkhat

Don’t talk to me about abortion! I was pregnant in the late 60s with a totally unwanted fetus. I couldn’t get an abortion then. I have strong feelings about it. Nevertheless, the states will have the final say on the issue, and as long as what they do isn’t unconstitutional, it will go.

As to the thing in Florida, it is a PETITION submitted by some radical militant church whackos. Only a few hundred people even signed it. It is FAR from being law. http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/florida-abolition-group-declares-abortion-first-degree-murder

We have survived many Republicans. And Republican Lites claiming to be Democrats, like Obama. The both parties are horrible and two sides of the same oligarchy.

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

I guess you could use the word “survive” to describe both going through the Iraq War/Great Recession and living through the 1990s. That wouldn’t make them similar, though.

phatkhat

I’ve survived terrible presidents from Truman on. I’m old enough – barely, it’s my earliest memory – to remember the start of the Korean War. We have not had a really good president since FDR. Some have done more harm than good, others vice versa. But none have been really impressive.

Every generation has crises. Every generation, it seems, has wars. And those wars are conducted by both parties.

joe from Lowell
joe from Lowell

Describing both parties as equally hawkish was a lot more plausible in 1968 than it is today.

NVPainter

I’m sorry you had to go through that, phatkhat. It wasn’t right, and it wasn’t fair. No woman should ever have to go through that again. I want to make sure.

jcitybone

Believe me, I’m hoping that we don’t get to see President Trump and the Republicans cooperate!

NVPainter

And you know they will if they get the chance…. They’ll fill the Supreme Court, they’ll try to privatize everything they can possibly get their hands on, they’ll reduce taxes on the people at the top, and… well, this could be a long list, couldn’t it?

phatkhat

Absolutely agree with everything you said. You nailed it.

phatkhat

Yep. And if those of us already on SS can’t be privatized, we’ll get the chained CPI for sure.

grapevines

Absolutely..Obama already tried too ram chained CPI thru..HRC will seal the deal. I think what bothers me is that many of the goals long time Republican’s have Democrats legislator’s are now voting for as well.

I guess that’s what we can expect with the the Big Banks, major Corporations, Big Oil&Gas and the top 10% & 1% funding all branches of the government, both political parties and owning all of MSM.

I notice any talk about Campaign Finance reform, revolving door lobbiests, pay for play policies have been dropped from their conversations…let alone making it too the National Debates.

phatkhat

There won’t be much discussion of those topics outside the alternative media. Surely not at the highly scripted “debates”.

NVPainter

I’m sure you’re right! Mainstream media have pretty much written their own obituaries this election cycle, haven’t they? I’m guessing the percentage of people getting their information from alternative sources, like us, is going up all the time, for exactly that reason.

NVPainter

Watching the livestream today where Bernie and Hillary both talked about tuition-free college, I could see he’s pushing her to the left. (Hallelujah!) She was committing herself.

We’ll have to see how many issues he’s pushing her on, and just how far to the left she will go. But I think she sees that she can’t do this without progressives. We won’t just go along and vote unless she supports our issues. And by the time they’re through campaigning, she’ll know she owes Bernie, and she owes us. He’ll hold her feet to the fire, and we can help him.

Maybe I’m not cynical enough, but I’m starting to feel some hope. It’s all due to Bernie, bless his sweet self.

wi62

will not vote for either shit show , if the D and R die hard voters only knew how disgusted a lot of us are with the coporatistic government we now have

CaliforniaPat
CaliforniaPat

Interesting piece, thanks for sharing. Last week I saw a picture of Bernie out on the stump campaigning for Clinton. He had a crowd of just about 100. Compare that to the crowds that came to see him when he was in the race. I went to one of his stops, here in Sacramento and there was an estimated 20,000 people there. Yes, many were young, but there were also a lot of people my age, in their 70s and my son’s age, in their 50s. In other words, a wide range of ages. If he came to Sac to campaign for Clinton now, I would not attend. In fact, I am disappointed that he is campaigning for her. While Trump is a jerk, I do not see him any worse than her. She is a Democrat in name only, or is what the Democratic party has become, certainly the the Democratic party of FDR or JFK. She certainly doesn’t get my vote in November.

NVPainter

Hey, Pat, I went to the Sacramento rally too! I was outside in line for over two hours, though, and missed all but the last half hour of his speech (I caught it later online). Being in line was a great part of the experience. And yes, I noticed too, the largest group seemed to be 35-ish and under, and the next largest group seemed to be boomers. It was great to hear him.

While I was disappointed that he was campaigning for HC at first, now I think it’s just in his nature to be absolutely persistent in trying to make the world a better place, in whatever way he can. She sure as hell is not a progressive Democrat, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think she’s finally clued in to the fact that she’s not going to get our votes unless she starts supporting our issues. I completely trust Bernie’s political instincts — he knows so much more than me, and he knows how to make things happen in spite of abysmal odds, by working with people who don’t agree with him. I think he’s going to find a way to make as much of the platform a reality as possible, but he needs us to help him do it.

That’s my take on it now, anyway. I don’t trust HC, but I trust Bernie to know a whole lot more about making things happen than I do — and he’s got my support.

wi62

Glad you both got to see Bernie, I was one of those bucket list things to do if I ever saw a politician that I believed it would be worth standing in line for . Bernie was that one. But his schedule and work didn’t make it feasible much to my disappointment. I’m still Bernin but other than voting for the down ballots that he supports I will be waiting to see what happens with him and how he want to proceed with his movement for 2020

NVPainter

The Sacramento rally was one of his first in California. I didn’t know he’d be traveling all over the state as he did after that, and I wanted to make sure I heard him, though I had to drive a ways . I’m so glad I did!