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CaliforniaPat
CaliforniaPat

This is why Bernie should stay in. I have been saying to all that listen, that even if she does not get indicted and goes on to win the Presidency, the first thing the GOP will do is move to impeach her. Hope she picks a good Vice President.

humphrey

Well she has plenty of ass kissers to chose from but I have my doubts that she would pick anyone that we would be happy with.

CaptainPoptart
CaptainPoptart

My understanding is that once HRC is nominated, there is no mechanism in the DNC rules to allow the person with the second most delegates to take the spot if she steps down due to indictment/scandal. And there isn’t really a way to parachute Joe Biden in with the current rules. So who becomes the Democratic candidate, and who besides DWS and co. get to decide?

Eagles92
Eagles92

If you haven’t seen this already, it’s a must-read.
http://www.ninaillingworth.com/2016/06/01/the-foggy-bottom-of-clintons-muddy-waters/

wi62

Good read

Terry
Terry

Thank-you for the link, Eagles92! I don’t have any idea who Nina Illingworth is, but that is some good writing and some clear thinking. She is dead on the money.

People, read this!

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Here’s why I’m confident Comey will not only recommend indictments, but why he’s taking the time to build an airtight case (emphasis mine):

Comey’s first brush with them came when Bill Clinton was president. Looking to get back into government after a stint in private practice, Comey signed on as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee. In 1996, after months of work, Comey came to some damning conclusions: Hillary Clinton was personally involved in mishandling documents and had ordered others to block investigators as they pursued their case. Worse, her behavior fit into a pattern of concealment: she and her husband had tried to hide their roles in two other matters under investigation by law enforcement. Taken together, the interference by White House officials, which included destruction of documents, amounted to “far more than just aggressive lawyering or political naiveté,” Comey and his fellow investigators concluded. It constituted “a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.”

http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/

elmo
elmo

Hillary would never step down. You’d have to pry that nomination out of her cold, dead hands as the saying goes.

No, if she’s indicted, she’ll keep on running. The voters will decide.

ypochris

The answer is no one – DWS & Co. (the DNC) choose the replacement if the nominee steps down. The key (for them) is to ensure that any indictment comes down AFTER the convention, in order that the decision isn’t left to the superdelegates – who may very well pick Sanders if it is up to them.

Pushing a candidate with such extreme unfavorables and a fair likelihood of indictment seems like madness, but it is clear that this is all about preventing Sanders for securing the nomination. That scares the “powers that be” FAR more than a Republican victory in a year that should be a pushover for the Democrats.

Star Strider

It’s likely worse that simply unsecure communications. There is no evidence that the files on the email server themselves were encrypted, and the server was quite likely successfully hacked. We will eventually learn many of the details.

A significant problem with not indicting HRC, or later giving her a pardon or suspended sentence, is that it sends exactly the wrong message to those thousands of military and civilian government and private sector employees who scrupulously guard classified material, that being that there is one outcome for the wealthy and powerful and another for ‘the rest of us’ (of which I was once one).

Ken in MN
Ken in MN

How many more examples do people need that people like Secretary Clinton don’t live under the same system of justice as the rest of us???

Ethical Individualist
Ethical Individualist

What upsets me most about Hillary Clinton is her “anti-christ” ability to corrupt everyone around her. Immediately after Obama endorsed Hillary he met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch. She is the one who will decide if Hillary Clinton is prosecuted.

This sent the message to all, do not fear that Hillary will be going to jail. He will obstruct justice.

For me personally, while I recognize he is Oligarchy, it took this incident to finally lose respect for the integrity of Obama. Hillary, the hero killer, strikes again.

“Obama Endorses Hillary, Immediately Meets With Attorney General Loretta Lynch”
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/06/09/obama-endorses-hillary-immediately-meets-with-loretta-lynch-n2176214

Linda Thieman

OMG, this is just sickening. Well said.

elmo
elmo

Yup. Doesn’t look good, does it?

NVPainter

Awful. Just awful.
In the Illingworth article linked above, she says that the word is that Comey and a whole host of folks would resign in protest if this is suppressed.

roonie

And Elizabeth Warren to Hillary’s taint: she refused to answer a yes or no question: Should Hillary release her GoldmanSach speech transcripts?

And I see the taint all over FB. Hillary apologists for that investment guy –Rajiv — who gave her tons of money and is now a SuperDelegate and appointed to that board he has no business being on. “Pay for play” is now approved of by Hill supporters. Sigh…

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Immediately after Obama endorsed Hillary he met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch. She is the one who will decide if Hillary Clinton is prosecuted.

This sent the message to all, do not fear that Hillary will be going to jail. He will obstruct justice.

I got the opposite read. I felt he met with Lynch right after the “endorsement” to tell her to not let that be construed as a signal to protect Hillary. Otherwise if it was intended to be a signal to not follow up on the FBI recommendations he wouldn’t have needed to meet with her right after.

Sybil Liberty
Sybil Liberty

yes

while the rest of us sleep uneasy because we forgot to follow up on the jury duty call in line…

Ruh Roh
Ruh Roh

The Powers That Be (PTB) don’t care about messages sent. With billions of dollars at stake, it is imperative for them that Hillary be elected and that Sanders and his supporters be marginalized. So a bunch of intelligence and military officials will gripe that they would be locked up for a long time if they had done 1/10 of the security compromising that Hillary did. The PTB don’t care about their hurt “fee fees”, they just need to “suck it up, be a good soldier and shut the hell up.” Those in the highest levels of power don’t follow the same rules or any rules as the grunts on the ground. That’s how it always has been. And Hillary supporters are totally on board with that. Nothing is more important than the coronation of the Queen.

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The Powers That Be (PTB) don’t care about messages sent.

We only care that the FBI cares.

Ciganka

Let’s not forget David Petraeus.

MariasHeart
MariasHeart
Raggedy Ann

They’re trying to get Bernie to drop out so they can slip Biden in. That’s the real plan, folks. I’ll never vote Biden. I will rebel if this takes place.

LisaLockwood
LisaLockwood

And I will join your rebellion. Anyone care to make us a threesome?

ypochris

Although I far prefer Biden to Clinton, I don’t think I could stomach voting for him if he stole the nomination from Sanders – particularly after not even bothering to run!

belle de jour

Do you think it even possible they might offer Bernie the VP under Biden, in an effort to make it palatable for many people?

The events of the past week felt like an elaborate series of dominoes in a play… or perhaps a split screen of several carefully choreographed pieces of theatre. It most definitely had the feel of a public set-up; I’m just not sure what they’re setting the stage for.

It’s difficult to imagine Hillary as the goat, but she seems remarkably adept at surrounding herself with awful agents… who might possibly turn on her? One thing that’s not difficult to believe, at all: that Hillary & Co. alienated and disgusted enough decent people like this Mr. Comey who might be every bit as determined as a rabid republican to finally hold her accountable for something.

belle de jour

Thought that crossed my mind:

– Could it be possible Obama et al quickly endorsed her, en masse (on the same day!, just prior to Loretta), in order to placate the Clinton machine… before the real merde hits the fan? That way, they’ve paid their homage to the queen, before they’d be endorsing an indicted criminal?

Eagles92
Eagles92

Yes. Have you read this? Seems entirely plausible to me. I re-read it for the third time last night, and am now actually wondering (and feeling better about it, if it happens) if this is why they’re all putting more pressure on Bernie to drop out before next week. If Nina is close to correct, this would mean they could then indict her before the convention, which makes parachuting Biden into the nominee’s spot much, much easier.

http://www.ninaillingworth.com/2016/06/01/the-foggy-bottom-of-clintons-muddy-waters/

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YES! This was my exact take too. Obama is supposed to be fire-walled from the FBI deliberations, so not endorsing would have been a way to signal that he did know what was coming. By endorsing when he did (and the way he did – with all the heart of a hostage reading a scripted confession) he can act surprised when the FBI recommends indictments and say, “Well that changes everything.”

zoebear
zoebear

This is making me more uncomfortable by the day. Dear God, what next? I just heard that Google has been manipulating their search engine so that you cannot find any stories about Hillary’s FBI investigation.

https://youtu.be/PFxFRqNmXKg

Cora Regina
Cora Regina

Well fuck me with a cactus. I got identical results to SF. That is HELLA. GODDAMN. SHADY. I wonder what else they may be manipulating.

There is literally nothing clean about Hillary or anything even remotely associated with her.

NVPainter

Whatever happened to Google’s watchword, “Don’t be evil?” I think maybe I need to use Yahoo’s search engine from now on.
By the way, someone is voting your comment, and the responses, down. I voted them back up — but the numbers were higher when I first read this article earlier this evening (I hadn’t had a chance to see this video till now).

zoebear
zoebear

Really? I wonder who voted it down. This information doesn’t accuse Hillary or her campaign. It is exactly as it says. The search feature has been manipulated. Does anyone know if you have to be registered to the site to upvote or downvote?

NVPainter

I know — it surprised me. I noticed, because one of the comments (can’t remember which) was at -1.

polarbear4

That’s weird. Think it’s the “followers”? Saying that is kind of creeeeeepy, even. :O)

NVPainter

It definitely is weird….

LieparDestin

You do have to be registered to upvote/downvote, and for the moment you cannot see who gave a thumbs down. Thats a goal for this weekend!

occupystephanie
occupystephanie

Makes perfect sense that the surveillance establishment would have their operatives here. Had the dkos comment police throw my dossier at me yesterday, including my off-dkos clicks & comments.

The really creepy thing about the above is that they do not think it is creepy.

belle de jour

There’s a search engine that doesn’t track you called duckduckgo.com

Friends who should know assure me that the guys who started it are the good guys, and most definitely anti-evil.

(I would be wary trusting Yahoo for many reasons, but one includes the word that they are trying frantically to pretty themselves up to get bought.)

NVPainter

I use DuckDuckGo a lot for that reason.

jane123
jane123

With the Obama, Biden, Warren and Reid endorsements of Clinton while she is under criminal investigation and with her proven lies about her email, the entire nasty underbelly of the Democratic Party has been exposed….their endorsement of her signals their embrace of her lawlessness and they will pay a price.

belle de jour

What I see happening in the deep south, where I’m surrounded by repugs and conservatives: the whole Clintoness of this entire mess is further driving away the more moderate of the republican lites down here who have told me they were attracted to Bernie’s no-nonsense approach and principles (morals).

So, supreme, bitter irony: in a year in which so many more moderate republicans can’t stomach Trump, Hillary is confirming the worst fears of neo-con potential crossovers… driving the very people she was leaning towards – in order to attract them – even further away from her and the democratic party.

Nova Land
Nova Land

Something to keep in mind: if Clinton is the nominee then Democrats are in trouble if she gets indicted and Democrats are in trouble if she does not get indicted.

If she gets indicted, the problem is obvious. But consider what happens if she isn’t indicted — especially if Trump does get indicted (or has serious enough legal problems over Trump University or other shady dealings he has engaged in).

The obvious line Trump will take to distract from his wrong-doing is to point to Clinton not being indicted. Since Republicans in general and the right-wing echo chamber in particular know are sure that she’s guilty of a whole bunch of stuff, this will be seen as proof that the media are in the tank for Clinton and the criminal justice system is in the tank for Clinton and that the only way to fix this is to elect Trump. It’s an argument a lot of them will eagerly repeat to anyone who will listen, it will play well among Republicans, and it will shore up Trump’s support among those who might otherwise have been shocked at the idea of voting for someone who had engaged in the kinds of fraud and shady dealings Trump has.

There is no way I can see for Clinton to take that argument off the table. Even if the FBI issues a report saying Clinton did nothing wrong, Trump can say it just proves a corrupt Obama administration has even corrupted the FBI and it’s one more reason to elect him to fix it. He’s a good snake-oil salesperson and this is just the kind of snake-oil he loves to sell.

Clinton needs to convince people she really is honest and trustworthy. Unfortunately at this late date, with so many people having an opposite opinion, I really don’t see how she does that. It would be a lot more interesting to watch and see how she does (or doesn’t) do that if this were a fictional movie, tv show, or novel rather than real life.